What's going on with Borderlands 2? Steam is giving it for free, but the game has 23% positive recent reviews.
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Except lawbreakers but he tainted it by supporting it and made ppl against it
wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 12:20 last edited byLawbreakers was made by Boss Key studios, headed by Cliff Blezsinski who was the guy behind Gears of War.
You may be thinking of Battleborn, which was made by Gearbox.
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I’ll just stick to playing my console copy
wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 12:20 last edited byconsole
If you're worried about personal data collection then I have some bad news for you...
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I doubt it though, the game will be 13 years old this year. It wouldn’t make financial sense for them to bother.
wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 12:21 last edited byThat's not the point.
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You're right that it's not Valve they're mad at, buuuuut....
They could regulate that no games they sell can have rootkits and delist the ones that do, as well as offer refunds if a rootkit is patched in in the future. They have lots of rules already, and I don't think that would be a bad one.
wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 12:24 last edited by kadup@lemmy.world 6 Jun 2025, 08:25So should Walmart stop selling products that I deem unfit based on my personal preferences too? Say goodbye to animal fats, products made in the US, ultra processed foods, some fruit I just don't like the taste of, all Nestlé products...
I think you get the point.
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So should Walmart stop selling products that I deem unfit based on my personal preferences too? Say goodbye to animal fats, products made in the US, ultra processed foods, some fruit I just don't like the taste of, all Nestlé products...
I think you get the point.
wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 12:36 last edited byIf somebody put strychnine in the guacamole, I'd expect Walmart to remove it from the shelves and offer refunds to anyone that bought it.
If somebody distributed malware through Steam, I'd expect them to stop it also.
Not that there is currently malware in Borderlands 2, but their EULA says they could put it there if they wanted, and there's nothing you could do about it.
As usual, money is the best message. So if they do put it into a game you've paid for, request a refund. If Valve starts losing money, they will change their rules.
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console
If you're worried about personal data collection then I have some bad news for you...
wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 12:47 last edited by palmtreeisbesttree@lemmy.world 6 Jun 2025, 08:47Every government and corporation has some data on us no matter how we like it. I was referring to my Xbox 360 copy which is totally offline.
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No, it's misinformation and people who uncritically repeat things without verification.
I've had the game installed for years and have to manually apply updates, there hasn't been one. e: I just checked, last update in Steam is dated 2022
All they've done is make their TOS universal across all of their games.
e: adding this from last post. TL;DR: People are spreading misinformation
So, let’s look into the claims.
Here’s the TOS:
https://www.take2games.com/legal/en-US/
There is nothing about root level access.
In addition, if you look at the patch history for Borderlands 2 on SteamDB, you will see that the last update for the game was 4 August 2022.
So, to be clear:
There is nothing in the TOS that requires you to submit to a rootkit and there is no spyware that has been added. The comment in the OP is simply wrong.wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 12:54 last edited byHe said it, root access level in the TOS of BorderLand. Not that a root kit is included, but that they allowed them self to inclid it whenever they can. That not misinformation...
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Yikes. Is the review in the screenshot true? They got root anticheat? Or rootkit data harvesting?
wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 12:56 last edited by diurnambule@jlai.lu 6 Jun 2025, 15:49He said they added a kernel level anticheat in the TOS which is true. But they seem to have not included it in the game yet. But they tell that by possedong the game you allow them to.
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If somebody put strychnine in the guacamole, I'd expect Walmart to remove it from the shelves and offer refunds to anyone that bought it.
If somebody distributed malware through Steam, I'd expect them to stop it also.
Not that there is currently malware in Borderlands 2, but their EULA says they could put it there if they wanted, and there's nothing you could do about it.
As usual, money is the best message. So if they do put it into a game you've paid for, request a refund. If Valve starts losing money, they will change their rules.
wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 12:59 last edited bySteam refunded me multiple time for game where EULA changed and I disagreed with it. I told them that the EULA changed to include spyware capabilities and I don't agree with the EULA change.
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I object to that for XCOM
wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 13:00 last edited byTrue, it was always bad
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You're right that it's not Valve they're mad at, buuuuut....
They could regulate that no games they sell can have rootkits and delist the ones that do, as well as offer refunds if a rootkit is patched in in the future. They have lots of rules already, and I don't think that would be a bad one.
wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 13:11 last edited byThat's a nice thought, and they should do that, but you've gotta do better at picking and choosing your moments
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So 50% score loss because of a permissive EULA, got it ...
I'll just leave this in the "Pitchforks against Pitchford" and "Woke, must hate" folder. Call me back when they do actually include a rootkit in their games instead of jumping the gun because loud feelings say loud things. If only there was some way to get statistics of the people getting outraged because of posts in a subreddit community and the people who don't have a problem with rootkits installed by their favorite MMOs...
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What's Steam got to do with Borderlands 2 having a rootkit?
wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 13:53 last edited byIf this was on PSN or the Nintendo shop, everyone downvoting me would be up in arms blaming Sony and Nintendo
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If this was on PSN or the Nintendo shop, everyone downvoting me would be up in arms blaming Sony and Nintendo
wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 14:04 last edited byBut it's not. So don't make up scenarios and then claim persecution when people downvote you.
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Don’t speak I’ll of steam and billionaire Gabe around here. The steam bros are gonna crucify you for daring to even think ill of THEIR corporation and THEIR billionaire who of course loves and cares for them all.
Edit: there it is
wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 14:09 last edited byYour mom is wrong. You are not even slightly cool.
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I guess his premise, that it's for edgy teens. Heck, half the pop references were ancient on launch.
wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 14:19 last edited byYou would've been 16 years old on launch if you're 39 now though.
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So 50% score loss because of a permissive EULA, got it ...
I'll just leave this in the "Pitchforks against Pitchford" and "Woke, must hate" folder. Call me back when they do actually include a rootkit in their games instead of jumping the gun because loud feelings say loud things. If only there was some way to get statistics of the people getting outraged because of posts in a subreddit community and the people who don't have a problem with rootkits installed by their favorite MMOs...
wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 14:21 last edited by monkrome@lemmy.world 6 Jun 2025, 10:22Let's try this logic on other things. Their EULA says they can cut off a finger whenever they want. They haven't cut off my finger for my purchase of this game, call me back when they cut it off.
If you're someone that doesn't want companies to have root level access to your computer, waiting until it happens is silly when they're telling you it's gonna happen. It is every reason to complain and be concerned.
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If this was on PSN or the Nintendo shop, everyone downvoting me would be up in arms blaming Sony and Nintendo
wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 14:23 last edited byMaking up scenarios and claiming to know what the response would be sure is a way to make an argument.
I mean, the worse most laughable way, but it's a way indeed.
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That's a nice thought, and they should do that, but you've gotta do better at picking and choosing your moments
wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 14:32 last edited byI'm not the guy that guy replied to.
Just a random guy who thinks Gabe can put his foot down with these publishers. They already all tried going without Steam and they came crawling back.
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If this was on PSN or the Nintendo shop, everyone downvoting me would be up in arms blaming Sony and Nintendo
wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 14:33 last edited byObjection! Speculative