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  3. What's going on with Borderlands 2? Steam is giving it for free, but the game has 23% positive recent reviews.

What's going on with Borderlands 2? Steam is giving it for free, but the game has 23% positive recent reviews.

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  • F [email protected]

    No, it's misinformation and people who uncritically repeat things without verification.

    I've had the game installed for years and have to manually apply updates, there hasn't been one. e: I just checked, last update in Steam is dated 2022

    All they've done is make their TOS universal across all of their games.

    e: adding this from last post. TL;DR: People are spreading misinformation

    So, let’s look into the claims.

    Here’s the TOS:

    https://www.take2games.com/legal/en-US/

    There is nothing about root level access.

    In addition, if you look at the patch history for Borderlands 2 on SteamDB, you will see that the last update for the game was 4 August 2022.

    So, to be clear:
    There is nothing in the TOS that requires you to submit to a rootkit and there is no spyware that has been added. The comment in the OP is simply wrong.

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    He said it, root access level in the TOS of BorderLand. Not that a root kit is included, but that they allowed them self to inclid it whenever they can. That not misinformation...

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    • L [email protected]

      Yikes. Is the review in the screenshot true? They got root anticheat? Or rootkit data harvesting?

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      #113

      He said they added a kernel level anticheat in the TOS which is true. But they seem to have not included it in the game yet. But they tell that by possedong the game you allow them to.
      Edit : typo but can't correct "possedong" now

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      • blackmist@feddit.ukB [email protected]

        If somebody put strychnine in the guacamole, I'd expect Walmart to remove it from the shelves and offer refunds to anyone that bought it.

        If somebody distributed malware through Steam, I'd expect them to stop it also.

        Not that there is currently malware in Borderlands 2, but their EULA says they could put it there if they wanted, and there's nothing you could do about it.

        As usual, money is the best message. So if they do put it into a game you've paid for, request a refund. If Valve starts losing money, they will change their rules.

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        #114

        Steam refunded me multiple time for game where EULA changed and I disagreed with it. I told them that the EULA changed to include spyware capabilities and I don't agree with the EULA change.

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        • G [email protected]

          I object to that for XCOM

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          True, it was always bad 😛

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          • blackmist@feddit.ukB [email protected]

            You're right that it's not Valve they're mad at, buuuuut....

            They could regulate that no games they sell can have rootkits and delist the ones that do, as well as offer refunds if a rootkit is patched in in the future. They have lots of rules already, and I don't think that would be a bad one.

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            #116

            That's a nice thought, and they should do that, but you've gotta do better at picking and choosing your moments

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              #117

              So 50% score loss because of a permissive EULA, got it ...

              I'll just leave this in the "Pitchforks against Pitchford" and "Woke, must hate" folder. Call me back when they do actually include a rootkit in their games instead of jumping the gun because loud feelings say loud things. If only there was some way to get statistics of the people getting outraged because of posts in a subreddit community and the people who don't have a problem with rootkits installed by their favorite MMOs...

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              • K [email protected]

                What's Steam got to do with Borderlands 2 having a rootkit?

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                #118

                If this was on PSN or the Nintendo shop, everyone downvoting me would be up in arms blaming Sony and Nintendo

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                • B [email protected]

                  If this was on PSN or the Nintendo shop, everyone downvoting me would be up in arms blaming Sony and Nintendo

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                  #119

                  But it's not. So don't make up scenarios and then claim persecution when people downvote you.

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                  • B [email protected]

                    Don’t speak I’ll of steam and billionaire Gabe around here. The steam bros are gonna crucify you for daring to even think ill of THEIR corporation and THEIR billionaire who of course loves and cares for them all.

                    Edit: there it is 🤣

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                    Your mom is wrong. You are not even slightly cool.

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                    • red@sopuli.xyzR [email protected]

                      I guess his premise, that it's for edgy teens. Heck, half the pop references were ancient on launch.

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                      #121

                      You would've been 16 years old on launch if you're 39 now though.

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                      • theobvioussolution@lemm.eeT [email protected]

                        So 50% score loss because of a permissive EULA, got it ...

                        I'll just leave this in the "Pitchforks against Pitchford" and "Woke, must hate" folder. Call me back when they do actually include a rootkit in their games instead of jumping the gun because loud feelings say loud things. If only there was some way to get statistics of the people getting outraged because of posts in a subreddit community and the people who don't have a problem with rootkits installed by their favorite MMOs...

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                        #122

                        Let's try this logic on other things. Their EULA says they can cut off a finger whenever they want. They haven't cut off my finger for my purchase of this game, call me back when they cut it off.

                        If you're someone that doesn't want companies to have root level access to your computer, waiting until it happens is silly when they're telling you it's gonna happen. It is every reason to complain and be concerned.

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                        • B [email protected]

                          If this was on PSN or the Nintendo shop, everyone downvoting me would be up in arms blaming Sony and Nintendo

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                          Making up scenarios and claiming to know what the response would be sure is a way to make an argument.

                          I mean, the worse most laughable way, but it's a way indeed.

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                          • A [email protected]

                            That's a nice thought, and they should do that, but you've gotta do better at picking and choosing your moments

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                            I'm not the guy that guy replied to.

                            Just a random guy who thinks Gabe can put his foot down with these publishers. They already all tried going without Steam and they came crawling back.

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                            • B [email protected]

                              If this was on PSN or the Nintendo shop, everyone downvoting me would be up in arms blaming Sony and Nintendo

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                              Objection! Speculative

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                              • D [email protected]

                                Steam refunded me multiple time for game where EULA changed and I disagreed with it. I told them that the EULA changed to include spyware capabilities and I don't agree with the EULA change.

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                                I didnt realize Steam would do that. There have been several times where EULAs changed or malware was added a year or more later and I just assumed I had no recourse.

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                                • jackbydev@programming.devJ [email protected]

                                  You would've been 16 years old on launch if you're 39 now though.

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                                  True, but I've been couch-cooping them only recently.

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                                  • theobvioussolution@lemm.eeT [email protected]

                                    So 50% score loss because of a permissive EULA, got it ...

                                    I'll just leave this in the "Pitchforks against Pitchford" and "Woke, must hate" folder. Call me back when they do actually include a rootkit in their games instead of jumping the gun because loud feelings say loud things. If only there was some way to get statistics of the people getting outraged because of posts in a subreddit community and the people who don't have a problem with rootkits installed by their favorite MMOs...

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                                    I'll just leave this in the "Pitchforks against Pitchford" and "Woke, must hate" folder.

                                    So you're an idiot?

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                                    • D [email protected]

                                      Steam refunded me multiple time for game where EULA changed and I disagreed with it. I told them that the EULA changed to include spyware capabilities and I don't agree with the EULA change.

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                                      #129

                                      I actually tried this with BL2 last week and got told "no, you've owned it for almost 10 years"

                                      I find it hard to disagree with that notion, but also have a pirated copy with my saves backed up ready to fucking go

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                                      • M [email protected]

                                        🏴‍☠️ is free and without shenanigans.

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                                        giving root level access to russian crackers instead

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                                        • D [email protected]

                                          He said they added a kernel level anticheat in the TOS which is true. But they seem to have not included it in the game yet. But they tell that by possedong the game you allow them to.
                                          Edit : typo but can't correct "possedong" now

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                                          possedong

                                          I'd like to know how your autocorrect learned this word

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