What's going on with Borderlands 2? Steam is giving it for free, but the game has 23% positive recent reviews.
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Yikes. Is the review in the screenshot true? They got root anticheat? Or rootkit data harvesting?
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A bit more than what, not really sure what your point here is? All of those bullet points are similar if not identical to terms in other EULAs half the people in this thread have already clicked thru.
I’ll say it again, if you think this is anything new you haven’t been paying attention. I’m all for calling this fuckery out and pushing for something better. But like where yall been?
Still no actual answers from anyone on how this is ‘more’ than what I described in my op. Sure it’s a more detailed list, but it’s really not the “gotcha” everyone seems to think it is. That is, if youve been paying attention.
I don't click thru any EULAs. I see bad EULA - I pirate. Then if it makes any network traffic i just block that shit.
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Most people don't care about privacy.
Most people in the western civilized world are on Facebook, so...
Sad truth, but it's no excuse.
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Don’t speak I’ll of steam and billionaire Gabe around here. The steam bros are gonna crucify you for daring to even think ill of THEIR corporation and THEIR billionaire who of course loves and cares for them all.
Edit: there it is
What's Steam got to do with Borderlands 2 having a rootkit?
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Yikes. Is the review in the screenshot true? They got root anticheat? Or rootkit data harvesting?
wrote last edited by [email protected]No, it's misinformation and people who uncritically repeat things without verification.
I've had the game installed for years and have to manually apply updates, there hasn't been one. e: I just checked, last update in Steam is dated 2022
All they've done is make their TOS universal across all of their games.
e: adding this from last post. TL;DR: People are spreading misinformation
So, let’s look into the claims.
Here’s the TOS:
https://www.take2games.com/legal/en-US/
There is nothing about root level access.
In addition, if you look at the patch history for Borderlands 2 on SteamDB, you will see that the last update for the game was 4 August 2022.
So, to be clear:
There is nothing in the TOS that requires you to submit to a rootkit and there is no spyware that has been added. The comment in the OP is simply wrong. -
I apparently love downvotes but here goes: All the Borderlands games (annoying childish cell-shaded skinner-box) and everything Gearbox is and has ever created it utter shit. The CEO is a garbage person, and thier dealings with Epic is Capitalist-Oink-Piggy shite! ""FUCK YOU 2K & GEARBOX, AND FUCK YOU BORDERLANDS!"
Hear hear!
Borderlands is a neat concept, but it's ruined by an awful studio and reddit-tier 'humor.'
It was nice to see Battleborn fail because honestly that's what the studio deserves.
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Apart from the politics, the Borderlands games themselves are hardly utter shit for the most part.
I think they're pretty terrible.
I've tried multiple times to get in to them and I've come to the conclusion they're just for a gamer with lower standards than me.
This is also based off of the games that I see borderlands fans like that I think suck ass.
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What's Steam got to do with Borderlands 2 having a rootkit?
You're right that it's not Valve they're mad at, buuuuut....
They could regulate that no games they sell can have rootkits and delist the ones that do, as well as offer refunds if a rootkit is patched in in the future. They have lots of rules already, and I don't think that would be a bad one.
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Except lawbreakers but he tainted it by supporting it and made ppl against it
Lawbreakers was made by Boss Key studios, headed by Cliff Blezsinski who was the guy behind Gears of War.
You may be thinking of Battleborn, which was made by Gearbox.
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I’ll just stick to playing my console copy
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If you're worried about personal data collection then I have some bad news for you...
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I doubt it though, the game will be 13 years old this year. It wouldn’t make financial sense for them to bother.
That's not the point.
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You're right that it's not Valve they're mad at, buuuuut....
They could regulate that no games they sell can have rootkits and delist the ones that do, as well as offer refunds if a rootkit is patched in in the future. They have lots of rules already, and I don't think that would be a bad one.
wrote last edited by [email protected]So should Walmart stop selling products that I deem unfit based on my personal preferences too? Say goodbye to animal fats, products made in the US, ultra processed foods, some fruit I just don't like the taste of, all Nestlé products...
I think you get the point.
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So should Walmart stop selling products that I deem unfit based on my personal preferences too? Say goodbye to animal fats, products made in the US, ultra processed foods, some fruit I just don't like the taste of, all Nestlé products...
I think you get the point.
If somebody put strychnine in the guacamole, I'd expect Walmart to remove it from the shelves and offer refunds to anyone that bought it.
If somebody distributed malware through Steam, I'd expect them to stop it also.
Not that there is currently malware in Borderlands 2, but their EULA says they could put it there if they wanted, and there's nothing you could do about it.
As usual, money is the best message. So if they do put it into a game you've paid for, request a refund. If Valve starts losing money, they will change their rules.
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If you're worried about personal data collection then I have some bad news for you...
wrote last edited by [email protected]Every government and corporation has some data on us no matter how we like it. I was referring to my Xbox 360 copy which is totally offline.
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No, it's misinformation and people who uncritically repeat things without verification.
I've had the game installed for years and have to manually apply updates, there hasn't been one. e: I just checked, last update in Steam is dated 2022
All they've done is make their TOS universal across all of their games.
e: adding this from last post. TL;DR: People are spreading misinformation
So, let’s look into the claims.
Here’s the TOS:
https://www.take2games.com/legal/en-US/
There is nothing about root level access.
In addition, if you look at the patch history for Borderlands 2 on SteamDB, you will see that the last update for the game was 4 August 2022.
So, to be clear:
There is nothing in the TOS that requires you to submit to a rootkit and there is no spyware that has been added. The comment in the OP is simply wrong.He said it, root access level in the TOS of BorderLand. Not that a root kit is included, but that they allowed them self to inclid it whenever they can. That not misinformation...
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Yikes. Is the review in the screenshot true? They got root anticheat? Or rootkit data harvesting?
wrote last edited by [email protected]He said they added a kernel level anticheat in the TOS which is true. But they seem to have not included it in the game yet. But they tell that by possedong the game you allow them to.
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If somebody put strychnine in the guacamole, I'd expect Walmart to remove it from the shelves and offer refunds to anyone that bought it.
If somebody distributed malware through Steam, I'd expect them to stop it also.
Not that there is currently malware in Borderlands 2, but their EULA says they could put it there if they wanted, and there's nothing you could do about it.
As usual, money is the best message. So if they do put it into a game you've paid for, request a refund. If Valve starts losing money, they will change their rules.
Steam refunded me multiple time for game where EULA changed and I disagreed with it. I told them that the EULA changed to include spyware capabilities and I don't agree with the EULA change.
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I object to that for XCOM
True, it was always bad
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You're right that it's not Valve they're mad at, buuuuut....
They could regulate that no games they sell can have rootkits and delist the ones that do, as well as offer refunds if a rootkit is patched in in the future. They have lots of rules already, and I don't think that would be a bad one.
That's a nice thought, and they should do that, but you've gotta do better at picking and choosing your moments
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So 50% score loss because of a permissive EULA, got it ...
I'll just leave this in the "Pitchforks against Pitchford" and "Woke, must hate" folder. Call me back when they do actually include a rootkit in their games instead of jumping the gun because loud feelings say loud things. If only there was some way to get statistics of the people getting outraged because of posts in a subreddit community and the people who don't have a problem with rootkits installed by their favorite MMOs...
