Im just demonstrating “zionism” didnt become “zionism” until the jews acted on their belief that they had a claim to some land. Just as the Palestinians believe they have a claim to some land, religious or otherwise. Some guy deemed the Jewish zionism “zionism” from some other meaning just as a Palestinian “zionism” could be claimed.

This is utterly insane. That's not what the word means, at all. Zionism isn't "anytime someone has a claim to some land," JFC.

What does it even matter, youre now arguing that zionism could exist with out the displacement or death of the Palestinian people.

Wrong. I'm arguing that the death of displacement of Palestinians is not part of the definition of Zionism. In practice, that is what it entails. Learn to read.

How is that wrong in a region strictly inhabited by other ethnostates? Hell, you even argue Iran, an ethnostate, is justified in attacking isreal.

Iran is not an ethnostate, nor is it committing genocide, and it's "attacks" are retaliation for Israel's unprovoked aggression.

I'm not interested in discussing this further with you until you either educate yourself and can actually defend your views from an informed position, or until you stop trying to attack my views from a position of complete and utter ignorance, where you say such nonsense as "Zionism is whenever anyone claims any land."

When you have not probed into a problem, into the present facts and its past history, and know nothing of its essentials, whatever you say about it will undoubtedly be nonsense.

What is a "state religion"

What is zion?

Is "ethnic cleansing" another word for genocide, but more nazi-sounding?

you can’t tell a difference between a genocide and a war

Talk about a lack of historical materialism. When the bulk of the casualties are unwilling conscripts and civilians, what do you think the difference is? Hell, the opening premise of the Russian invasion was to defend ethnic Russians. Much like with the US intervention in the former Yugoslavia and the de-Ba'athification of Iraq, this didn't simply end in the allied ethnic groups being sheltered. It kicked off a wave of reprisal killings facilitated by the occupying army.

But you people always shed tears over them unless they get to the level of III Reich or Israel

Whether you've got a Sudanese Civil War or a Kashmiri occupation or a 40 year long Drug War, the first step to end the conflict is to stop the killing. Escalation never facilitates peace. What we saw out of Russia was an enormous cross-border escalation. And what we saw out of NATO was an enormous retaliation. Now its a bloodbath with no end in sight, because both parties have convinced themselves they're Churchill and the other guy is Hitler.

if someone invaded Israel in october 2023 you would write such rot with a straight face too about them

Nobody was going to invade Iran in 2023 for the same reason nobody is going to invade North Korea after 2017. That game plan ended with the Six Day War. The only international solution to Israel in the modern day is containment and isolation, until the country can be de-radicalized through economic attrition and disarmed through treaty.

Same as the ANC's allies used against the Boers in South Africa.

If you think the Israel-Iran War is going to somehow end in a more peaceful Israel or Iran, you need to put down Elon Musk's ketamine and get back on that historical materialism you seem to care so much about.

Good topics for you to look into, I'm done doing your homework.

Oh I know. A state religion is exactly what isreal has and what you are claiming is an ethnostate.

Zion means jerusalem, the holy land of the jews, which they claim is ordained to them by god.

Hey, let's compare definitions.
In my books, it's when a big country tries to take some land, usually rich in resources, murder those parts of local population who disagrees with that, and make the rest into a workforce, taking all the resources into metropolis.
Now, given that, what parts of Russian relationships with Crimea, Donbass, and Lugansk regions don't fit this definition? Well, apart from the fact that Russian military force is a military farce and they fail at all their plans except one when they murder local population.
Or do you think attempted colonialism doesn't count? Because it's not for the lack of trying, you know

It's only Colonialism if it's from Colonial region of the world, otherwise it's sparkling war with the exploitative and/or genocidal purposes, and then it's OK if it's the country that I like. You wouldn't understand, lib.

Your homework assignment is to find someone, literally any one person, from anywhere, of any political persuasion, who agrees with the statement "Iran is just as Zionist as Israel." Literally anyone. I don't care if it's your mom.

When you fail to do so, come back and say, "I'm sorry, @[email protected], you were right and I was wrong, I clearly don't understand this situation, but I would like to learn more about it from you."

If you reply to this comment with anything other than, "I did find someone who agrees with that statement" or the thing I just said, I will block you.

Literally meaningless when you subtract the dripping attitude. Just a fucking moron making themselves feel smart alone in the shower.

God you're fucking shameless. Piece of shit.

Russia is the world's largest ethnostate because you decided the word sounds bad and if it's bad people you can just vamp?

But 'meh' ethnic cleansing? Leave it to the people doing it?

Eat a fucking knife, nazi.

Bye

Edit:

Sorry, I will respond, honestly.

You're right, there are differences between Iran and Isreal and im not versed enough to know them. So, yeah, and if you think that is what I was trying to communicate then we lost track somewhere.

Our contention seems to be:

You - isreal should be taken down militarily because they are a danger to the people around them

Me - there is no good way to end isreals occupation that wont result in more human suffering

I will concede that if isreal were to be brought down by some act of god youre not going to see me shedding many tears.

Is there anything you will concede?

Do you have any arguments for all ukrainians being fascista russians speaking a dialect and not a language or are you just angry?

It's real cute how you can just infer the genocidal and exploitative purposes when it's an enemy of the US, but you're a Russian disinfo bot in the pocket of China when you point out at the many examples of US proxies going "We think they're lower than animals and we're literally gonna exterminate them and their children"

I will concede that if your assumption that the military defeat of Israel would necessarily mean the deaths of millions of Jewish civilians, then you might have a point. Although, it isn't true, and you don't.

I'll also concede not blocking you, at least for now. But I have no interest in continuing this conversation, regardless.

To be fair, it’s a winning strategy on Reddit and almost every other social media platform in the imperial core.

You can't even write a coherent sentence and you want me to respond to your incoherent smarmy shit.

What premise are you asking me to defend as if it's my own opinion?

Brother.

This thread began with the hypothesis that there are no Ukrainians in Ukraine and that all Ukrainians are just fascist Russians elevating a "Dialect" to a language because they hate communism.

To my knowledge, Ukrainian split from old Ruthenian in the 13th and was acknowledged as its own language in the 1840s, way before any communist states arose in Russia or the Ukraine.

Alexander II. even outlawed the language in Ukraine.

So, enlightened person, tell me what part of this is just "librul smorm".

Hey you want to try that again? I asked you what premise you were asking me to defend after your semi-literate scrawl and you replied with A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TOPIC THAN THE ONE YOU JUST SPOKE TO so I'm wondering if you had to restate would you come up with a third, completely unrelated topic.

You fucking incoherent fascist supporting idiot.

Your brain literally does not work properly. Are you being a dumb piece of shit who can't argue without putting words in my mouth by pretending I said all Ukrainians are nazis? Or are you being a dumb piece of shit who can't argue without putting words in my mouth by pretending I said Ukrainian is not a real language?

There are only two options. What kind of stupid piece of shit are you?

answer please