"I live here now"
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Kinda like the Jewish invaders in middle east
Don't you mean zionist
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Is there a statue of limitation on generations of systematic oppression all stemming from brutal imperialism? No, seems kinda dumb for an imperialist to put that in their own law, considering.
You're right, everybody needs to continue fighting over millenia long grudges. That's what leftism is all about.
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You're right, everybody needs to continue fighting over millenia long grudges. That's what leftism is all about.
I suppose youre the ultimate authority on what is just and unjust?
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I suppose youre the ultimate authority on what is just and unjust?
3000 years ago, those knife-eared bastards double-crossed us, and now none of us dwarves would be caught dead associating with any elf.
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3000 years ago, those knife-eared bastards double-crossed us, and now none of us dwarves would be caught dead associating with any elf.
wrote last edited by [email protected]You digress
Edit: youre like 5 sentences away from admitting harm reduction is the only way to sort these problems and im here for it.
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Ok so I actually have a degree in Poli Sci and another degree in Econ, I have read quite a lot of theory, often got into arguments with my NeoLiberal professors over things like the IMF, WorldBank, how to evaluate systemic risk in financial markets, the idea of bailing out Wall Street during the GFC instead of jailing them all as corrupt, as Iceland did, once got a bad mark on a paper about conflict goods because my PoliSci prof simply refused to acknowledge that US Army troops were guarding opium farms in Afghanistan, independently sought out and studied modern Marxist econonmists outside of the scope of course work, etc etc.
I want you to explain, in a couple sentences, or paragraphs if you need to... how the situation I described above either is not settler colonialism, or is a wildly innacurate mischaracterization of the situation, or some mix of both.
Not just yell 'read theory!' at me and give me an author name.
I do not need the entire concept of settler colonialism explained to me. I am familiar with it.
If you've read and understood Fanon, you should be able to... you know, make that argument.
Succinctly.
In your own words.
Otherwise you're just a pretentious hipster, arrogantly name dropping authors and scoffing.
tankies aren’t usually ones for rationalism or any sort of debate/dialectic, i sincerely doubt you’ll get a response bc he knows he’s gonna get trounced on and revealed as an idiot the moment he attempts to do it.
can’t blame you tho, I like playing around with it sometimes too. it’s like, the opposite of trolling imo. you just hit them with stone-cold rigor and they troll themselves out of frustration lmao.
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What are you talking about the russians already lived in donbass which is why they voted to secede when the banderites started bombing them. Its not like settler colonialism at all.
That doesn't explain why Russians have been occupying land in Ukraine for all that time. When an imperialist state conquers territory, it occupies the land in order to legitimize its claim it.
They are there, because Ukraine has been a vassal state to Russia, with its people treated as second-class citizens, for centuries. During that time, they have oscillated back and forth in status from rebellion to re-conquered, many times. This is just the latest wave of Russian oppression intended to crush dissent and re-establish Russian dominance over Ukraine through the russification of Ukrainian culture, language and identity. Wash, rinse, repeat.
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But many do, and did historically, as it was part of Russia prior to the USSR.
But I have a genuine question: suppose that the majority of people living in Donbass genuinely wanted to break off and become part of Russia. Should they be allowed to, and if so, what steps should they have taken to make it happen, in the context that the government banned major opposition parties that were sympathetic towards Russia? What are you supposed to do, exactly, when the country is moving in a direction that you disagree with and shutting the opposition out of the political process, after seizing power through force?
A downvote is not an answer, btw.
wrote last edited by [email protected]All that says, is that you are this close to admitting that Ukraine has been an occupied territory for centuries. Except you are using that fact as a justification for continued occupation, and not a reason for Russia to stop their colonial objectives.
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I know. I 'support' (for lack of a better term because I have not actually done shit for them) Palestinians. But hamas is another matter and I won't pretend they are the good guys.
Hamas are the product of the Israeli regime. if there was no apartheid there would be no Hamas. also they're nowhere near as bad as the IOF.
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you genuinely don't know what colonialism is
Colonialism is when a country I don't like does a thing I don't like somewhere else. Imperialism is when any country attacks any other.
There, who needs books when it's that simple, tankies?
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Eastern Ukrainians weren't grateful to be bombed by NATO-funded banderites for several years in the donbass, nor were most Ukrainians glad to have their government overthrown in a US-backed coup in 2014.
@dessalines And yet they still fight Putin. Go figure.
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Colonialism is when a country I don't like does a thing I don't like somewhere else. Imperialism is when any country attacks any other.
There, who needs books when it's that simple, tankies?
Colonialism is when two countries have a war
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All that says, is that you are this close to admitting that Ukraine has been an occupied territory for centuries. Except you are using that fact as a justification for continued occupation, and not a reason for Russia to stop their colonial objectives.
wrote last edited by [email protected]That's not what it says. Your refusal to engage with evidence has you pretending you found a gotcha because you assume anything that disagrees with you has to be based on a flawed premise.
You're literally ignoring the facts he presented (maidan was a coup, Donbas collectively decided to secede in a referendum). The people of the Donbas were resisting an attempted genocide as much as Gazans, you can listen to Poroshenko's statements about bombing their hospitals, having their women and children hiding in basements, you can see the indiscriminate shelling of civilian centers. Both of them were propped up by your government (the lapdog of the only empire on earth rn), and by you personally, from your stupid refusal to acknowledge actual imperialism and pretending the enemies of the State Department must be the enemies of all of us everywhere.
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Hamas are the product of the Israeli regime. if there was no apartheid there would be no Hamas. also they're nowhere near as bad as the IOF.
I get that. But comparing them idf depends on who you are.
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Hey let's switch examples and see if your logic stands up. The name Los Angeles is Spanish. Because Spanish speakers have been there longer than English speakers. If the Spanish speakers don't like the president of the United States, does that mean it's perfectly acceptable for the Mexican government to provide Spanish speaking protesters in LA with artillery systems and missile batteries? Or is that fucking weird?
A downvote is not an answer btw.
Bruh
Really telling on yourselves that yet another liberation movement reclaiming land that was stolen and an occupied and exploited to enrich empire is framed as the ultimate evil.
Fucking gringos.
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Actually, that first guy never lived there. That first guy isn't even a real person. That second guy's grandparents were in another war on a different continent, so they're actually just small beans feeling a lot of trauma right now. It is incredibly racist to suggest Second Guy did anything wrong, and if we catch you saying as much then we'll arrest you and deport you to a prison camp where you'll be enslaved for the enrichment of some pro-Second Guy aristocrats.
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Initially this is absolutely true! Under Lenin particularly this was very much promoted "indiginenisation" iirc it's best translated as in English. But particularly under Khrushchev and later Breznhnev this very much changed, focusing on the single Soviet identity.
They didn't really prosecute these minorities mind, just very much promoted the Soviet culture and Russian language in a large variety of ways.
Not two comments ago you were saying the soviets accelerated the Tsarist policies of forced russification. Either you know fuck all about Tsarist Russia and it's pogroms (and thus you're doing genocide apologia) or you don't know shit about the Soviet Union. Either way you should stop commenting on it and replying like you're aware of everything and that's just the thing you meant.
Unless, of course, disinfo is the point.
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Exactly, the Nazis in the Ukrainian government are sending Ukranians into meat grinders for the profits of the U.S. empire
No no no! You're not allowed to talk about the US laying claim to huge swaths of the Ukrainian interior in exchange for another round of weapons imports. My libertarian friends told me that this is fine because the US is getting the land through contracts, which are totally bloodless and not in any way an infringement on the rights of the Ukrainian native peoples.
The above comic only applies to folks on the Eastern side of the big line. Westerners would never exploit the precarious position of Ukrainian nationalists to rob them, press-gang them into front-line combat rolls, and then snatch up all the vacant real estate once the smoke clears.
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Page 151 has what you're looking for:
The reality was, of course, that Russian and later Soviet imperial rule was at least as brutal as that of other imperial powers. In their campaigns of Russification the Tsars imprisoned and exiled Finns, Ukrainians, and others who dared to practise their national language and sustain a national culture. The Communists continued the practice even more brutally under the guise of eradicating ‘bourgeois nationalism’. Large numbers of intellectuals, especially in Ukraine and the Baltic States, were killed or exiled by Stalin. Under his successors the executions were fewer but the pressures continued. Communist Parties, with their own local First Secretaries, existed in all the fifteen constituent republics of the Union save for Russia itself. Russians saw this as discrimination. In fact it was a sign that the Russians did not need their own party, since they dominated the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and exercised effective central control over the republican parties. Throughout the Soviet period discontent flared up from time to time in one or other of the constituent republics, and was brutally suppressed.
That's... A claim, not a source. A printed claim is still a claim ffs.
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They come here with their nonsnense equalizing a regular war to a genocide going on right now, the comic doesn't even make sense in the situation of Ukraine, it's about settler colonialism, something Russia doesn't do
Edit: this is like coming under a post about the holocaust and talking about "this is just like the white genocide in south africa"
wrote last edited by [email protected]it’s about settler colonialism, something Russia doesn’t do
Okay, tap the breaks dude.
I'll spot you that Ukraine/Russia is the latest in a long line of proxy wars between Eastern and Western oligarchs. And I'll happily concede that Ukrainians are being swindled by their NATO "allies" while they're forced to play punching bag in order to exhaust its historical enemy. I'll even through in a "Maidan was a color revolution and liberal Ukrainians got royally played".
But the idea that Russians aren't above a little expansionism and exploitation is just... my god, man. Literally centuries of history to the contrary.
