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You cant tell me my definition of zionism is wrong then tell me your made up definition of zionism is right.
The South African people used civil disobedience to change the laws of their government and ended apartheid. You're saying isreals government need be destroyed. South Africans did not trash their government, they changed it.
wrote last edited by [email protected]You cant tell me my definition of zionism is wrong then tell me your made up definition of zionism is right.
Lmao, my definition of Zionism is not "made up." Here's what came up when I googled "Zionism definition:"
Zionism is a political movement that supports the self-determination and statehood for the Jewish people in their ancestral homeland, the land of Israel. It encompasses both the historical desire for a Jewish homeland and the modern-day efforts to develop and sustain the State of Israel.
Fucking dumbass, maybe learn basic terms and facts about the situation before trying to weigh in with your ignorant drivel.
No investigation, no right to speak.
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You cant tell me my definition of zionism is wrong then tell me your made up definition of zionism is right.
Lmao, my definition of Zionism is not "made up." Here's what came up when I googled "Zionism definition:"
Zionism is a political movement that supports the self-determination and statehood for the Jewish people in their ancestral homeland, the land of Israel. It encompasses both the historical desire for a Jewish homeland and the modern-day efforts to develop and sustain the State of Israel.
Fucking dumbass, maybe learn basic terms and facts about the situation before trying to weigh in with your ignorant drivel.
No investigation, no right to speak.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Let's keep this going.
Simply put, Zionism is a movement to recreate a Jewish presence in Israel. The name comes from the word “Zion,” which is a Hebrew term that refers to Jerusalem.
Throughout history, Jews have considered certain areas in Israel sacred—as do Christians and Muslims. The Torah, the Jewish religious text, depicts stories of ancient prophets who were instructed by their God to return to this homeland.
While the fundamental philosophies of the Zionist movement have existed for hundreds of years, modern Zionism formally took root in the late 19th century. Around that time, Jews throughout the world faced growing anti-Semitism.
Some historians believe that an increasingly tense atmosphere between Jews and Europeans may have triggered the Zionism movement. In one 1894 incident, a Jewish officer in the French army named Alfred Dreyfus was falsely accused and convicted of treason. This event, which became known as the “Dreyfus Affair,” sparked outrage among Jewish people and many others.
Persecuted Jews who were struggling to salvage their identity began promoting the idea of returning to their homeland and restoring a Jewish culture there.
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Let's keep this going.
Simply put, Zionism is a movement to recreate a Jewish presence in Israel. The name comes from the word “Zion,” which is a Hebrew term that refers to Jerusalem.
Throughout history, Jews have considered certain areas in Israel sacred—as do Christians and Muslims. The Torah, the Jewish religious text, depicts stories of ancient prophets who were instructed by their God to return to this homeland.
While the fundamental philosophies of the Zionist movement have existed for hundreds of years, modern Zionism formally took root in the late 19th century. Around that time, Jews throughout the world faced growing anti-Semitism.
Some historians believe that an increasingly tense atmosphere between Jews and Europeans may have triggered the Zionism movement. In one 1894 incident, a Jewish officer in the French army named Alfred Dreyfus was falsely accused and convicted of treason. This event, which became known as the “Dreyfus Affair,” sparked outrage among Jewish people and many others.
Persecuted Jews who were struggling to salvage their identity began promoting the idea of returning to their homeland and restoring a Jewish culture there.
You realize that still supports my definition and not yours, right? Where in that definition does it say anything about killing Palestinians, as you assert is part of what Zionism is defined by?
What's the point of telling you to investigate if when you investigate and find proof that you're wrong, you simply keep asserting that the evidence proves you right? Maybe you should just stop speaking entirely, at that point.
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You realize that still supports my definition and not yours, right? Where in that definition does it say anything about killing Palestinians, as you assert is part of what Zionism is defined by?
What's the point of telling you to investigate if when you investigate and find proof that you're wrong, you simply keep asserting that the evidence proves you right? Maybe you should just stop speaking entirely, at that point.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Im just demonstrating "zionism" didnt become "zionism" until the jews acted on their belief that they had a claim to some land. Just as the Palestinians believe they have a claim to some land, religious or otherwise. Some guy deemed the Jewish zionism "zionism" from some other meaning just as a Palestinian "zionism" could be claimed.
What does it even matter, youre now arguing that zionism could exist with out the displacement or death of the Palestinian people. How is that wrong in a region strictly inhabited by other ethnostates? Hell, you even argue Iran, an ethnostate, is justified in attacking isreal!
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Last when i checked Russia is winning the war, its economy is rising, its economical bloc is gaining traction while the US hegemony crumbles and US vassals are in complete shambles
Might want to update your priors. Russia's claiming a pyrrhic victory on the ground while losing irreplaceable assets and allies. US hegemony has been crumbling since the '00s, that's nothing new. The vassals are, if anything, more militant and expansionist than ever (glances towards Israel)
Donbass is one of the genocides we will never know how bad they would get because they were stopped in time.
How can you count the dead in this war well over the million mark and say that with a straight face?
wrote last edited by [email protected]Might want to update your priors. Russia’s claiming a pyrrhic victory on the ground while losing irreplaceable assets and allies. US hegemony has been crumbling since the '00s, that’s nothing new. The vassals are, if anything, more militant and expansionist than ever (glances towards Israel)
What lack of historical materialism does to a mfer.
How can you count the dead in this war well over the million mark and say that with a straight face?
I also suspected that you can't tell a difference between a genocide and a war where mainly members of genocidal organisations like AFU die, but you had to open your mouth and end the doubts. It always take a war to stop the nazis, always. But you people always shed tears over them unless they get to the level of III Reich or Israel (and often even then). I bet if USSR invaded nazi Germany in 1940 or if someone invaded Israel in october 2023 you would write such rot with a straight face too about them.
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Whenever Russia comes up these comments sections devolve into putting the lib in madlibs.
Just nonsensical word salad from people trying to remember what looked like a zinger in another comment section but not knowing when to say it because they didn't know shit then and they sure didn't bother to learn, so they don't know shit now either.
madlibs is such a good way of phrasing it, they learn some phrases with a set of conditions for when to use it like and then simply insert keywords. Like an akinator of epic clapbacks.
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Im just demonstrating "zionism" didnt become "zionism" until the jews acted on their belief that they had a claim to some land. Just as the Palestinians believe they have a claim to some land, religious or otherwise. Some guy deemed the Jewish zionism "zionism" from some other meaning just as a Palestinian "zionism" could be claimed.
What does it even matter, youre now arguing that zionism could exist with out the displacement or death of the Palestinian people. How is that wrong in a region strictly inhabited by other ethnostates? Hell, you even argue Iran, an ethnostate, is justified in attacking isreal!
wrote last edited by [email protected]Im just demonstrating “zionism” didnt become “zionism” until the jews acted on their belief that they had a claim to some land. Just as the Palestinians believe they have a claim to some land, religious or otherwise. Some guy deemed the Jewish zionism “zionism” from some other meaning just as a Palestinian “zionism” could be claimed.
This is utterly insane. That's not what the word means, at all. Zionism isn't "anytime someone has a claim to some land," JFC.
What does it even matter, youre now arguing that zionism could exist with out the displacement or death of the Palestinian people.
Wrong. I'm arguing that the death of displacement of Palestinians is not part of the definition of Zionism. In practice, that is what it entails. Learn to read.
How is that wrong in a region strictly inhabited by other ethnostates? Hell, you even argue Iran, an ethnostate, is justified in attacking isreal.
Iran is not an ethnostate, nor is it committing genocide, and it's "attacks" are retaliation for Israel's unprovoked aggression.
I'm not interested in discussing this further with you until you either educate yourself and can actually defend your views from an informed position, or until you stop trying to attack my views from a position of complete and utter ignorance, where you say such nonsense as "Zionism is whenever anyone claims any land."
When you have not probed into a problem, into the present facts and its past history, and know nothing of its essentials, whatever you say about it will undoubtedly be nonsense.
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Im just demonstrating “zionism” didnt become “zionism” until the jews acted on their belief that they had a claim to some land. Just as the Palestinians believe they have a claim to some land, religious or otherwise. Some guy deemed the Jewish zionism “zionism” from some other meaning just as a Palestinian “zionism” could be claimed.
This is utterly insane. That's not what the word means, at all. Zionism isn't "anytime someone has a claim to some land," JFC.
What does it even matter, youre now arguing that zionism could exist with out the displacement or death of the Palestinian people.
Wrong. I'm arguing that the death of displacement of Palestinians is not part of the definition of Zionism. In practice, that is what it entails. Learn to read.
How is that wrong in a region strictly inhabited by other ethnostates? Hell, you even argue Iran, an ethnostate, is justified in attacking isreal.
Iran is not an ethnostate, nor is it committing genocide, and it's "attacks" are retaliation for Israel's unprovoked aggression.
I'm not interested in discussing this further with you until you either educate yourself and can actually defend your views from an informed position, or until you stop trying to attack my views from a position of complete and utter ignorance, where you say such nonsense as "Zionism is whenever anyone claims any land."
When you have not probed into a problem, into the present facts and its past history, and know nothing of its essentials, whatever you say about it will undoubtedly be nonsense.
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What is a "state religion"
What is zion?
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The Russian minority wasn't being genocided, and at most they could be ethnically cleansed considering Russia has it's own nuclear-armed ethnostate that's the largest in the world. Genocide is an international issue, what was not even an ethnic cleansing is a domestic issue.
Is "ethnic cleansing" another word for genocide, but more nazi-sounding?
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Might want to update your priors. Russia’s claiming a pyrrhic victory on the ground while losing irreplaceable assets and allies. US hegemony has been crumbling since the '00s, that’s nothing new. The vassals are, if anything, more militant and expansionist than ever (glances towards Israel)
What lack of historical materialism does to a mfer.
How can you count the dead in this war well over the million mark and say that with a straight face?
I also suspected that you can't tell a difference between a genocide and a war where mainly members of genocidal organisations like AFU die, but you had to open your mouth and end the doubts. It always take a war to stop the nazis, always. But you people always shed tears over them unless they get to the level of III Reich or Israel (and often even then). I bet if USSR invaded nazi Germany in 1940 or if someone invaded Israel in october 2023 you would write such rot with a straight face too about them.
you can’t tell a difference between a genocide and a war
Talk about a lack of historical materialism. When the bulk of the casualties are unwilling conscripts and civilians, what do you think the difference is? Hell, the opening premise of the Russian invasion was to defend ethnic Russians. Much like with the US intervention in the former Yugoslavia and the de-Ba'athification of Iraq, this didn't simply end in the allied ethnic groups being sheltered. It kicked off a wave of reprisal killings facilitated by the occupying army.
But you people always shed tears over them unless they get to the level of III Reich or Israel
Whether you've got a Sudanese Civil War or a Kashmiri occupation or a 40 year long Drug War, the first step to end the conflict is to stop the killing. Escalation never facilitates peace. What we saw out of Russia was an enormous cross-border escalation. And what we saw out of NATO was an enormous retaliation. Now its a bloodbath with no end in sight, because both parties have convinced themselves they're Churchill and the other guy is Hitler.
if someone invaded Israel in october 2023 you would write such rot with a straight face too about them
Nobody was going to invade Iran in 2023 for the same reason nobody is going to invade North Korea after 2017. That game plan ended with the Six Day War. The only international solution to Israel in the modern day is containment and isolation, until the country can be de-radicalized through economic attrition and disarmed through treaty.
Same as the ANC's allies used against the Boers in South Africa.
If you think the Israel-Iran War is going to somehow end in a more peaceful Israel or Iran, you need to put down Elon Musk's ketamine and get back on that historical materialism you seem to care so much about.
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What is a "state religion"
What is zion?
Good topics for you to look into, I'm done doing your homework.
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Good topics for you to look into, I'm done doing your homework.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Oh I know. A state religion is exactly what isreal has and what you are claiming is an ethnostate.
Zion means jerusalem, the holy land of the jews, which they claim is ordained to them by god.
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you genuinely don't know what colonialism is
Hey, let's compare definitions.
In my books, it's when a big country tries to take some land, usually rich in resources, murder those parts of local population who disagrees with that, and make the rest into a workforce, taking all the resources into metropolis.
Now, given that, what parts of Russian relationships with Crimea, Donbass, and Lugansk regions don't fit this definition? Well, apart from the fact that Russian military force is a military farce and they fail at all their plans except one when they murder local population.
Or do you think attempted colonialism doesn't count? Because it's not for the lack of trying, you know -
Colonialism is when a country I don't like does a thing I don't like somewhere else. Imperialism is when any country attacks any other.
There, who needs books when it's that simple, tankies?
It's only Colonialism if it's from Colonial region of the world, otherwise it's sparkling war with the exploitative and/or genocidal purposes, and then it's OK if it's the country that I like. You wouldn't understand, lib.
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Oh I know. A state religion is exactly what isreal has and what you are claiming is an ethnostate.
Zion means jerusalem, the holy land of the jews, which they claim is ordained to them by god.
Your homework assignment is to find someone, literally any one person, from anywhere, of any political persuasion, who agrees with the statement "Iran is just as Zionist as Israel." Literally anyone. I don't care if it's your mom.
When you fail to do so, come back and say, "I'm sorry, @[email protected], you were right and I was wrong, I clearly don't understand this situation, but I would like to learn more about it from you."
If you reply to this comment with anything other than, "I did find someone who agrees with that statement" or the thing I just said, I will block you.
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You are now a liberal if you don't think every Ukrainian is a fascist.
Literally meaningless when you subtract the dripping attitude. Just a fucking moron making themselves feel smart alone in the shower.
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The Russian minority wasn't being genocided, and at most they could be ethnically cleansed considering Russia has it's own nuclear-armed ethnostate that's the largest in the world. Genocide is an international issue, what was not even an ethnic cleansing is a domestic issue.
God you're fucking shameless. Piece of shit.
Russia is the world's largest ethnostate because you decided the word sounds bad and if it's bad people you can just vamp?
But 'meh' ethnic cleansing? Leave it to the people doing it?
Eat a fucking knife, nazi.
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Your homework assignment is to find someone, literally any one person, from anywhere, of any political persuasion, who agrees with the statement "Iran is just as Zionist as Israel." Literally anyone. I don't care if it's your mom.
When you fail to do so, come back and say, "I'm sorry, @[email protected], you were right and I was wrong, I clearly don't understand this situation, but I would like to learn more about it from you."
If you reply to this comment with anything other than, "I did find someone who agrees with that statement" or the thing I just said, I will block you.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Bye
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Sorry, I will respond, honestly.
You're right, there are differences between Iran and Isreal and im not versed enough to know them. So, yeah, and if you think that is what I was trying to communicate then we lost track somewhere.
Our contention seems to be:
You - isreal should be taken down militarily because they are a danger to the people around them
Me - there is no good way to end isreals occupation that wont result in more human suffering
I will concede that if isreal were to be brought down by some act of god youre not going to see me shedding many tears.
Is there anything you will concede?
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Literally meaningless when you subtract the dripping attitude. Just a fucking moron making themselves feel smart alone in the shower.
Do you have any arguments for all ukrainians being fascista russians speaking a dialect and not a language or are you just angry?
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It's only Colonialism if it's from Colonial region of the world, otherwise it's sparkling war with the exploitative and/or genocidal purposes, and then it's OK if it's the country that I like. You wouldn't understand, lib.
It's real cute how you can just infer the genocidal and exploitative purposes when it's an enemy of the US, but you're a Russian disinfo bot in the pocket of China when you point out at the many examples of US proxies going "We think they're lower than animals and we're literally gonna exterminate them and their children"
