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$80 for Borderlands 4 too costly? Randy Pitchford says, "If you're a real fan, you'll find a way to make it happen"

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  • B but_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world
    21 May 2025, 11:42

    Wait, how do you guarantee employment to a team after their work and contract is complete?

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    fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com
    wrote on 21 May 2025, 14:42 last edited by
    #110

    Game development should not be a gig economy. It is often treated as such so studio execs can pocket more money by dropping staff at release to pad their own wallets. There are plenty of game companies, and millions of companies in other sectors, that reinvest that capital into the company.

    But what about other forms of entertainment? Movies! Books! Music!

    Royalties. This would be another solution.

    Tagging @theneverfox@pawb.social because they might find the thought of royalties vs continued Dev interesting.

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    • D delphia@lemmy.world
      21 May 2025, 11:17

      This has always been my counterpoint for the Nintendo haters when they complain about price. (Although they are a shit company in several other ways) Because when my daughter wants a new switch game if its a top tier Nintendo title its going to be a finished game with zero bugs and zero concern about problematic content for me.

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      sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
      wrote on 21 May 2025, 15:00 last edited by
      #111

      Exactly. That's why I buy Nintendo games near release and am patient for PC games.

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      • B brsrklf@jlai.lu
        21 May 2025, 07:45

        No, no, you don't understand, the girl was doing a magic trick! He only consumed that just barely legal content with professional interest in mind.

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        exusia@lemmy.world
        wrote on 21 May 2025, 15:27 last edited by exusia@lemmy.world
        #112

        I'm not gonna sit and tell a man he can't have a kink preference in his own home on his own time.

        But Jesus fuck on the company thumb drive? Bro is a ceo and cant afford a "personal folder" usb. Here $12 for a 128Gb one on Amazon is not uncommon And then to be so distracted he forgot it.

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        • 3 3migo@lemmy.world
          21 May 2025, 11:18

          I've been a big Borderlands fan for 10+ years. I played through the first one multiple times and loved it. My wife and I bonded over BL1 when we first started dating.

          Was super excited for BL2, and have played it many times throughout the years.

          But the pre-sequel was a let down, and BL3 felt soulless and lacked the same spark as BL2.

          Tiny Tina Wonderlands was great, and felt like a return to what made BL2 so fun.

          All that to say, I don't have high hopes for BL4, nor will I be paying $80 for it. It just feels like they're coasting off the brand name at this point and trying to exploit longtime BL players like myself.

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          spaniard@lemmy.world
          wrote on 21 May 2025, 16:19 last edited by
          #113

          What's your take on the telltale game?

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          • I inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world
            20 May 2025, 18:10
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            mehblah@lemmy.world
            wrote on 21 May 2025, 18:48 last edited by
            #114

            Arrrrrr!

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            • C cethin@lemmy.zip
              21 May 2025, 05:58

              Honestly, in my opinion, there's too many games to justify buying it at all. I enjoyed one and two when I was a kid, and there wasn't competition for the genre. Three I think was free on Epic or something, so I played and it was fine, but not great. I don't expect much from four, and there's companies I'd actually like to support instead.

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              leavemealone@sh.itjust.works
              wrote on 21 May 2025, 19:58 last edited by
              #115

              I can't tell you exactly why, but as much as I played and replayed borderlands 1&2, the third one didn't interest me at all, I can see that the recipe used the same ingredients but it just didn't taste the same to contribute the metaphor. It just bored me and my wife during our coop campaign, and we didn't have any desire to continue our playthrough. I hope they get it back with four but I don't trust them enough anymore to buy it blindly anyway.

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              • W warlordsdocy@lemm.ee
                20 May 2025, 22:51

                Yeah I'm really starting to feel like we're gonna see a lot of these companies shift from doing big AAA games to instead publishing small indie games. Almost all of these big companies have indie publishing arms now and as they start to see good profits from those without having to take on the cost of paying devs themselves I wouldn't be surprised if they start cutting back on their own dev teams and shifting to that.

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                leavemealone@sh.itjust.works
                wrote on 21 May 2025, 20:03 last edited by
                #116

                Honestly I am all for if it means that we get original games again from big studios, I can't get hyped anymore for yet another sequel or remaster.

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                • I inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world
                  20 May 2025, 18:10
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                  bss03@infosec.pub
                  wrote on 21 May 2025, 20:20 last edited by
                  #117

                  I agree, but when you wouldn't let Aspyr do a Linux port for BL3, I stopped being a "real fan".

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                  • A alfredolin@sopuli.xyz
                    21 May 2025, 06:26

                    BL2 had unique blues which were OP.

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                    solorion@sh.itjust.works
                    wrote on 21 May 2025, 21:18 last edited by
                    #118

                    Ah, that's true! Anything with flavor text- red text in the description- is an exception to the normal rarities.

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                    • J jigglysackles@lemmy.world
                      21 May 2025, 12:32

                      Guess I'm not a real fan. Fuck you Randy. He's such a cunt.

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                      xiii@lemmy.world
                      wrote on 21 May 2025, 21:41 last edited by
                      #119

                      While working on Borderlands 3, the team was severely underpaid. People started quitting, so Randy promised them an “unprecedented company profit-sharing bonus model.” That never got paid—he blamed “higher-than-anticipated development costs and sales not meeting projections.”
                      Borderlands 3 went GOTY, a few dozens millions copies sold. Randy secured a $12M executive bonus for himself.
                      When staff expressed dissatisfaction, Pitchford told them they were free to quit. This was in the middle of the pandemic, and the job market was absolute crap.

                      https://mcvuk.com/business-news/borderlands-3-developer-gearbox-accused-of-reneging-on-staff-bonuses/

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                      • N newthrowaway20@lemmy.world
                        20 May 2025, 21:31

                        He's too busy collecting child porn to bother with running his business.

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                        kbobabob@lemmy.world
                        wrote on 21 May 2025, 22:51 last edited by
                        #120

                        Uh, source? It seems like if this were true he'd be in cuffs.

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                          joel_feila@lemmy.world
                          wrote on 21 May 2025, 23:59 last edited by
                          #121

                          And my way is, wait a few years for the deluxe edition to come out on sale.

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                          • X xiii@lemmy.world
                            21 May 2025, 21:41

                            While working on Borderlands 3, the team was severely underpaid. People started quitting, so Randy promised them an “unprecedented company profit-sharing bonus model.” That never got paid—he blamed “higher-than-anticipated development costs and sales not meeting projections.”
                            Borderlands 3 went GOTY, a few dozens millions copies sold. Randy secured a $12M executive bonus for himself.
                            When staff expressed dissatisfaction, Pitchford told them they were free to quit. This was in the middle of the pandemic, and the job market was absolute crap.

                            https://mcvuk.com/business-news/borderlands-3-developer-gearbox-accused-of-reneging-on-staff-bonuses/

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                            conditional_soup@lemm.ee
                            wrote on 22 May 2025, 00:24 last edited by
                            #122

                            If anyone deserves for his workers to get unionized, it's this asshole

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                              turboharbinger@feddit.cl
                              wrote on 22 May 2025, 00:25 last edited by
                              #123

                              I knew Randy would fuck up the game somehow.

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                                quibblekrust@thelemmy.club
                                wrote on 22 May 2025, 00:29 last edited by
                                #124

                                In today's dollars, my local video game store in 1991 was selling Wizardry for the NES for $141.

                                Fuck, the average AAA Atari 2600 game was $99 in today's dollars. Games like Pitfall and Pac-Man.

                                Just some perspective. I'm going to go yell at a cloud or something, now.

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                                  jaykrown@lemm.ee
                                  wrote on 22 May 2025, 00:38 last edited by
                                  #125

                                  Nope, just would play Tiny Tina's Wonderland again honestly, which I got for around $10 when it was heavily on sale a year ago.

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                                  • Q quibblekrust@thelemmy.club
                                    22 May 2025, 00:29

                                    In today's dollars, my local video game store in 1991 was selling Wizardry for the NES for $141.

                                    Fuck, the average AAA Atari 2600 game was $99 in today's dollars. Games like Pitfall and Pac-Man.

                                    Just some perspective. I'm going to go yell at a cloud or something, now.

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                                    andros_rex@lemmy.world
                                    wrote on 22 May 2025, 00:44 last edited by
                                    #126

                                    Atari 2600 Pac Man is shit lol

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                                      andros_rex@lemmy.world
                                      wrote on 22 May 2025, 00:46 last edited by andros_rex@lemmy.world
                                      #127

                                      Remember how Randy Pitchford funneled money that was supposed to go to Aliens: Colonial Marines into Borderlands 2 (and Duke Nukem Forever lol)

                                      Callender's suit alleges that Pitchford "breached his fiduciary duties by exploiting Gearbox employees and property to fund Pitchford’s private cravings," and one portion of the suit makes two sensational accusations about Pitchford's behavior: that he accidentally left a selection of "underage" pornography on a USB stick at a restaurant, and that he used his company's money to host parties where "adult men have reportedly exposed themselves to minors, to the amusement of Pitchford."

                                      How the fuck do you leave a USB stick full of child abuse material at a fucking Medieval Times and get away with it?

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                                        simonced@lemmy.ml
                                        wrote on 22 May 2025, 00:49 last edited by
                                        #128

                                        Also, let's not forget the new EULA regarding shift accountsAlso, he made his 'fans" wait while bl3 was only available on the epic store.
                                        Fuck this dude, I am done with the franchise.

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                                        • S simonced@lemmy.ml
                                          22 May 2025, 00:49

                                          Also, let's not forget the new EULA regarding shift accountsAlso, he made his 'fans" wait while bl3 was only available on the epic store.
                                          Fuck this dude, I am done with the franchise.

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                                          ilikeboobies@lemmy.ca
                                          wrote on 22 May 2025, 00:54 last edited by
                                          #129

                                          How is the game being available make people wait? Did PC get the release before consoles?

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