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  3. What's going on with Borderlands 2? Steam is giving it for free, but the game has 23% positive recent reviews.

What's going on with Borderlands 2? Steam is giving it for free, but the game has 23% positive recent reviews.

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  • A acesfullofkings@feddit.uk
    6 Jun 2025, 08:24

    Are they actually likely to remove it for this reason? Or is this just wasting the time of people who have to deal with reports at Steam? Like have they actually done something against Steam's TOS?


    ^edit: wow, a whole flock of Owls in the replies.^

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    owlboi@lemm.ee
    wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 11:08 last edited by
    #90

    absolutely. Steam is not to mess with and takes such matters quite seriously.

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    • S squizzy@lemmy.world
      6 Jun 2025, 10:39

      New to linux...are flatpaks like sandboxed?

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      nilz@sopuli.xyz
      wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 11:09 last edited by
      #91

      They are somewhat isolated but not sandboxed.

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      • D damdy@lemm.ee
        6 Jun 2025, 08:24

        That's just a list of games that used to be good and now suck.

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        godwins_law@lemmy.ca
        wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 11:19 last edited by
        #92

        I object to that for XCOM

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        • B bimbimboy@lemm.ee
          5 Jun 2025, 17:45
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          monkdervierte@lemmy.zip
          wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 11:21 last edited by
          #93

          🏴‍☠️ is free and without shenanigans.

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          • B bimbimboy@lemm.ee
            5 Jun 2025, 17:45
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            but_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world
            wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 11:41 last edited by but_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 6 Jun 2025, 09:52
            #94

            Don’t speak I’ll of steam and billionaire Gabe around here. The steam bros are gonna crucify you for daring to even think ill of THEIR corporation and THEIR billionaire who of course loves and cares for them all.

            Edit: there it is 🤣

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            • J jasondj@lemmy.zip
              6 Jun 2025, 04:45

              So...if Steam is running in a Flatpak, and Borderlands is launched from Steam, how much can they even see...really?

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              domi@lemmy.secnd.me
              wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 11:46 last edited by
              #95

              You can install an application like Flatseal (https://flathub.org/apps/com.github.tchx84.Flatseal) to inspect the permissions for a flatpak.

              How locked down a flatpak is depends entirely on the developer and what permissions they request. By default, they can't really see much. For example, they can't even see the processes running on your host or your user and system files.

              Flatpak does not do anything about network access though, it can only do no access or full access, no in between. The data they can collect on Linux in a Flatpak is very limited but it does not prevent them from calling home.

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              • O onyxonblack@lemm.ee
                5 Jun 2025, 21:15

                I apparently love downvotes but here goes: All the Borderlands games (annoying childish cell-shaded skinner-box) and everything Gearbox is and has ever created it utter shit. The CEO is a garbage person, and thier dealings with Epic is Capitalist-Oink-Piggy shite! ""FUCK YOU 2K & GEARBOX, AND FUCK YOU BORDERLANDS!"

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                korhaka@sopuli.xyz
                wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 11:51 last edited by
                #96

                Yes, but it should still be illegal for a company to do this. Don't let them blame the users for accepting this bullshit. As Louis Rossmann would say, they have the mentality of a rapist.

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                • T thoughtfuldragon@lemmy.blahaj.zone
                  6 Jun 2025, 02:11

                  It's also not been updated for a long time. You can't play with the windows version anymore.

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                  korhaka@sopuli.xyz
                  wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 11:52 last edited by
                  #97

                  If it hasn't been updated that means the new user agreement isn't asked surely?

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                    5 Jun 2025, 17:45
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                    laintrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                    wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 11:57 last edited by
                    #98

                    Yikes. Is the review in the screenshot true? They got root anticheat? Or rootkit data harvesting?

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                    • L lemjukes@lemm.ee
                      6 Jun 2025, 02:25

                      A bit more than what, not really sure what your point here is? All of those bullet points are similar if not identical to terms in other EULAs half the people in this thread have already clicked thru.

                      I’ll say it again, if you think this is anything new you haven’t been paying attention. I’m all for calling this fuckery out and pushing for something better. But like where yall been?

                      Still no actual answers from anyone on how this is ‘more’ than what I described in my op. Sure it’s a more detailed list, but it’s really not the “gotcha” everyone seems to think it is. That is, if youve been paying attention.

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                      laintrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                      wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 12:01 last edited by
                      #99

                      I don't click thru any EULAs. I see bad EULA - I pirate. Then if it makes any network traffic i just block that shit.

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                      • V vanilla_puddinfudge@infosec.pub
                        5 Jun 2025, 22:14

                        Most people don't care about privacy.

                        Most people in the western civilized world are on Facebook, so...

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                        laintrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                        wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 12:03 last edited by
                        #100

                        Sad truth, but it's no excuse.

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                        • B but_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world
                          6 Jun 2025, 11:41

                          Don’t speak I’ll of steam and billionaire Gabe around here. The steam bros are gonna crucify you for daring to even think ill of THEIR corporation and THEIR billionaire who of course loves and cares for them all.

                          Edit: there it is 🤣

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                          kadup@lemmy.world
                          wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 12:05 last edited by
                          #101

                          What's Steam got to do with Borderlands 2 having a rootkit?

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                          • L laintrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                            6 Jun 2025, 11:57

                            Yikes. Is the review in the screenshot true? They got root anticheat? Or rootkit data harvesting?

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                            fauxliving@lemmy.world
                            wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 12:15 last edited by fauxliving@lemmy.world 6 Jun 2025, 11:31
                            #102

                            No, it's misinformation and people who uncritically repeat things without verification.

                            I've had the game installed for years and have to manually apply updates, there hasn't been one. e: I just checked, last update in Steam is dated 2022

                            All they've done is make their TOS universal across all of their games.

                            e: adding this from last post. TL;DR: People are spreading misinformation

                            So, let’s look into the claims.

                            Here’s the TOS:

                            https://www.take2games.com/legal/en-US/

                            There is nothing about root level access.

                            In addition, if you look at the patch history for Borderlands 2 on SteamDB, you will see that the last update for the game was 4 August 2022.

                            So, to be clear:
                            There is nothing in the TOS that requires you to submit to a rootkit and there is no spyware that has been added. The comment in the OP is simply wrong.

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                            • O onyxonblack@lemm.ee
                              5 Jun 2025, 21:15

                              I apparently love downvotes but here goes: All the Borderlands games (annoying childish cell-shaded skinner-box) and everything Gearbox is and has ever created it utter shit. The CEO is a garbage person, and thier dealings with Epic is Capitalist-Oink-Piggy shite! ""FUCK YOU 2K & GEARBOX, AND FUCK YOU BORDERLANDS!"

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                              propitiouspanda@lemmy.cafe
                              wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 12:16 last edited by
                              #103

                              Hear hear!

                              Borderlands is a neat concept, but it's ruined by an awful studio and reddit-tier 'humor.'

                              It was nice to see Battleborn fail because honestly that's what the studio deserves.

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                              • R red@sopuli.xyz
                                5 Jun 2025, 22:09

                                Apart from the politics, the Borderlands games themselves are hardly utter shit for the most part.

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                                propitiouspanda@lemmy.cafe
                                wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 12:18 last edited by
                                #104

                                I think they're pretty terrible.

                                I've tried multiple times to get in to them and I've come to the conclusion they're just for a gamer with lower standards than me.

                                This is also based off of the games that I see borderlands fans like that I think suck ass.

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                                • K kadup@lemmy.world
                                  6 Jun 2025, 12:05

                                  What's Steam got to do with Borderlands 2 having a rootkit?

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                                  blackmist@feddit.uk
                                  wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 12:19 last edited by
                                  #105

                                  You're right that it's not Valve they're mad at, buuuuut....

                                  They could regulate that no games they sell can have rootkits and delist the ones that do, as well as offer refunds if a rootkit is patched in in the future. They have lots of rules already, and I don't think that would be a bad one.

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                                  • D dil@lemmy.zip
                                    5 Jun 2025, 22:14

                                    Except lawbreakers but he tainted it by supporting it and made ppl against it

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                                    propitiouspanda@lemmy.cafe
                                    wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 12:20 last edited by
                                    #106

                                    Lawbreakers was made by Boss Key studios, headed by Cliff Blezsinski who was the guy behind Gears of War.

                                    You may be thinking of Battleborn, which was made by Gearbox.

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                                    • P palmtreeisbesttree@lemmy.world
                                      5 Jun 2025, 21:36

                                      I’ll just stick to playing my console copy

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                                      fauxliving@lemmy.world
                                      wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 12:20 last edited by
                                      #107

                                      console

                                      If you're worried about personal data collection then I have some bad news for you...

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                                      • E ensignpacts@lemmy.world
                                        6 Jun 2025, 09:44

                                        I doubt it though, the game will be 13 years old this year. It wouldn’t make financial sense for them to bother.

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                                        propitiouspanda@lemmy.cafe
                                        wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 12:21 last edited by
                                        #108

                                        That's not the point.

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                                        • B blackmist@feddit.uk
                                          6 Jun 2025, 12:19

                                          You're right that it's not Valve they're mad at, buuuuut....

                                          They could regulate that no games they sell can have rootkits and delist the ones that do, as well as offer refunds if a rootkit is patched in in the future. They have lots of rules already, and I don't think that would be a bad one.

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                                          kadup@lemmy.world
                                          wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 12:24 last edited by kadup@lemmy.world 6 Jun 2025, 08:25
                                          #109

                                          So should Walmart stop selling products that I deem unfit based on my personal preferences too? Say goodbye to animal fats, products made in the US, ultra processed foods, some fruit I just don't like the taste of, all Nestlé products...

                                          I think you get the point.

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