Let's try this logic on other things. Their EULA says they can cut off a finger whenever they want. They haven't cut off my finger for my purchase of this game, call me back when they cut it off.

If you're someone that doesn't want companies to have root level access to your computer, waiting until it happens is silly when they're telling you it's gonna happen. It is every reason to complain and be concerned.

Making up scenarios and claiming to know what the response would be sure is a way to make an argument.

I mean, the worse most laughable way, but it's a way indeed.

I'm not the guy that guy replied to.

Just a random guy who thinks Gabe can put his foot down with these publishers. They already all tried going without Steam and they came crawling back.

Objection! Speculative

I didnt realize Steam would do that. There have been several times where EULAs changed or malware was added a year or more later and I just assumed I had no recourse.

True, but I've been couch-cooping them only recently.

I'll just leave this in the "Pitchforks against Pitchford" and "Woke, must hate" folder.

So you're an idiot?

I actually tried this with BL2 last week and got told "no, you've owned it for almost 10 years"

I find it hard to disagree with that notion, but also have a pirated copy with my saves backed up ready to fucking go

giving root level access to russian crackers instead

Lol go home Randy, you're drunk.

I just don't understand anticheat or copy protection on PvE games. I can understand it if you don't want to play against a cheater, but this is a cooperative shooter.

He said it

That not misinformation…

It is misinformation if the things he said are not true.

So, let's look into the claims.

Here's the TOS:

https://www.take2games.com/legal/en-US/

There is nothing about root level access.

In addition, if you look at the patch history for Borderlands 2 on SteamDB, you will see that the last update for the game was 4 August 2022.

So, to be clear:

There is nothing in the TOS that requires you to submit to a rootkit and there is no spyware that has been added. The comment in the OP is simply wrong.

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This is what happens when you simply read social media and repeat what you've heard without checking to see if you're spreading misinformation.

See you're looking at it from the point of view that it would serve the player experience, but that's not what it's for, it's to mine your data

Shh, the kids don't want to hear about the dark side of free things (oh hey, a new Meta service!)

/s

That's a typo from an i to an o, commenter probably meant possessing but made a mistake and tried to type posseding, I suspect their native language is french given their username and "to possess" in french is "posséder".

That being said, a possedong sounds intriguing

If you go to the right sites you won’t get any malicious code. Stop spreading corpo propaganda.

So…if Steam is running in a Flatpak, and Borderlands is launched from Steam, how much can they even see…really?

Without using exploits to escape the container, not much. A very empty Windows environment with a single game installed, your network interfaces and any directories that the Flatpak has access to (usually just the SteamLibrary directories).

The TOS (https://www.take2games.com/legal/en-US/) changes are mostly related to data that they collect via their interfacing with Steam and through their website. This idea that they're requiring you to agree to a root level access or installing a spyware rootkit is just nonsense.

It's probably a common EULA for all games, so they probably added it to carify the terms for some other game that includes it.

it isn't propaganda.

it's been a while since I've used windows, but I remember having to give administrator privileges to software installers, whether they are from legitimate vendors or from ripping groups with modified code