What's going on with Borderlands 2? Steam is giving it for free, but the game has 23% positive recent reviews.
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So 50% score loss because of a permissive EULA, got it ...
I'll just leave this in the "Pitchforks against Pitchford" and "Woke, must hate" folder. Call me back when they do actually include a rootkit in their games instead of jumping the gun because loud feelings say loud things. If only there was some way to get statistics of the people getting outraged because of posts in a subreddit community and the people who don't have a problem with rootkits installed by their favorite MMOs...
Lol go home Randy, you're drunk.
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I just don't understand anticheat or copy protection on PvE games. I can understand it if you don't want to play against a cheater, but this is a cooperative shooter.
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He said it, root access level in the TOS of BorderLand. Not that a root kit is included, but that they allowed them self to inclid it whenever they can. That not misinformation...
He said it
That not misinformation…
It is misinformation if the things he said are not true.
So, let's look into the claims.
Here's the TOS:
https://www.take2games.com/legal/en-US/
There is nothing about root level access.
In addition, if you look at the patch history for Borderlands 2 on SteamDB, you will see that the last update for the game was 4 August 2022.
So, to be clear:
There is nothing in the TOS that requires you to submit to a rootkit and there is no spyware that has been added. The comment in the OP is simply wrong.
This is what happens when you simply read social media and repeat what you've heard without checking to see if you're spreading misinformation.
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I just don't understand anticheat or copy protection on PvE games. I can understand it if you don't want to play against a cheater, but this is a cooperative shooter.
See you're looking at it from the point of view that it would serve the player experience, but that's not what it's for, it's to mine your data
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giving root level access to russian crackers instead
Shh, the kids don't want to hear about the dark side of free things (oh hey, a new Meta service!)
/s
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possedong
I'd like to know how your autocorrect learned this word
wrote last edited by [email protected]That's a typo from an i to an o, commenter probably meant possessing but made a mistake and tried to type posseding, I suspect their native language is french given their username and "to possess" in french is "posséder".
That being said, a possedong sounds intriguing
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giving root level access to russian crackers instead
If you go to the right sites you won’t get any malicious code. Stop spreading corpo propaganda.
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So...if Steam is running in a Flatpak, and Borderlands is launched from Steam, how much can they even see...really?
wrote last edited by [email protected]So…if Steam is running in a Flatpak, and Borderlands is launched from Steam, how much can they even see…really?
Without using exploits to escape the container, not much. A very empty Windows environment with a single game installed, your network interfaces and any directories that the Flatpak has access to (usually just the SteamLibrary directories).
The TOS (https://www.take2games.com/legal/en-US/) changes are mostly related to data that they collect via their interfacing with Steam and through their website. This idea that they're requiring you to agree to a root level access or installing a spyware rootkit is just nonsense.
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Let's try this logic on other things. Their EULA says they can cut off a finger whenever they want. They haven't cut off my finger for my purchase of this game, call me back when they cut it off.
If you're someone that doesn't want companies to have root level access to your computer, waiting until it happens is silly when they're telling you it's gonna happen. It is every reason to complain and be concerned.
It's probably a common EULA for all games, so they probably added it to carify the terms for some other game that includes it.
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If you go to the right sites you won’t get any malicious code. Stop spreading corpo propaganda.
it isn't propaganda.
it's been a while since I've used windows, but I remember having to give administrator privileges to software installers, whether they are from legitimate vendors or from ripping groups with modified code
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giving root level access to russian crackers instead
That's weird, the pirated version doesn't seem to have the same admin permission requirement as the official one. I wonder which one contains malware...
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I just don't understand anticheat or copy protection on PvE games. I can understand it if you don't want to play against a cheater, but this is a cooperative shooter.
It's for precedent on future games and to sneak in shit for later. Wittle down your expectations and privacy, make it "normal".
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So 50% score loss because of a permissive EULA, got it ...
I'll just leave this in the "Pitchforks against Pitchford" and "Woke, must hate" folder. Call me back when they do actually include a rootkit in their games instead of jumping the gun because loud feelings say loud things. If only there was some way to get statistics of the people getting outraged because of posts in a subreddit community and the people who don't have a problem with rootkits installed by their favorite MMOs...
You should hold a class on how to insert "woke" into every conversation.
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it isn't propaganda.
it's been a while since I've used windows, but I remember having to give administrator privileges to software installers, whether they are from legitimate vendors or from ripping groups with modified code
Thats a windows thing so it can put files in "protected" folders like program files
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I just don't understand anticheat or copy protection on PvE games. I can understand it if you don't want to play against a cheater, but this is a cooperative shooter.
Need to protect those purchasing opportunities from cheaters.
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What point are you trying to make? You say you're "all for calling this kind of fuckery out" but then you're criticizing people for calling it out? And who cares what other EULAs might say? The point is that the license agreement for this game and others owned by this company didn't say this shit before, and now they do. The company is actively making their user agreement more hostile to the users which is what people are pissed about.
wrote last edited by [email protected]That it takes more critical thinking to accomplish the organized action needed for real change than leaving a bunch of negative reviews.
I never once said ‘other company’s do it so just deal with it.’ Fuckawhataboutism. I said “if you think this is new, you haven’t been paying attention.” What I shouldn’t have left unsaid was ‘the review is a nice start and show of intention. but we need a lot more dedicated, well organized action, to actually accomplish any change.’
But people read into things what they want to hear.
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Some people will always find an excuse to change nothing.
It doesn't matter how many similar EULA's people have already accepted. The best moment to not eat it anymore would have been the first time it happened, the second best time is right now.
Also, retroactively amending an EULA is a different quality, since people have already paid for the game and would be locked out after the fact if they didn't accept.
I’m sad you read this as an admission of defeat and an attempt to deter others from fighting. Was hoping for more of a ‘you’re late, you have a bunch of homework to catch up on’ vibe but I’m not great at communicating all the time.
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I sometimes wonder what will happen when EAC, that has root access to millions of PCs, gets compromised or has grunty employee and pushes malicious update
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Are they actually likely to remove it for this reason? Or is this just wasting the time of people who have to deal with reports at Steam? Like have they actually done something against Steam's TOS?
^edit: wow, a whole flock of Owls in the replies.^
Fun fact, it's called a parliament! I regret that I am not an owl.
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I see this kind of comment before and I will never understand it - "other companies do it so just bend over and let us do it to you too!"
People say this all the time about Denuvo too: "Other games already have Denuvo, why are you crying about it here when you're playing other games?"
And see, that's the problem - we aren't playing those other Denuvo games. And same thing applies here, guess what, a lot of us aren't buying games from gross companies like EA with these shit terms. So when a company we are doing business with suddenly changes their terms to be shit, that's a valid complaint. Some of us have already been boycotting bad business practices in the industry, so the idea of company changing terms towards the boycott after we've already invested in the game feels like a betrayal because it is.
So maybe stop focusing on what you assume the rest of audience is doing and instead go back to focusing on what the people at the goddamn podium are trying to pull?
Why does everyone insist on adding the ‘so just bend over and take’ part whenever someone points out another source of wrongdoing? Like what do yall always take it to mean that the speaker is implying a whataboutism argument? And not maybe as ‘oh shit this has been going on longer than just this maybe we should learn about that too and we might figure out why it hasn’t been stopped yet.’
