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What's going on with Borderlands 2? Steam is giving it for free, but the game has 23% positive recent reviews.

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  • V vanilla_puddinfudge@infosec.pub
    5 Jun 2025, 22:14

    Most people don't care about privacy.

    Most people in the western civilized world are on Facebook, so...

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    laintrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 12:03 last edited by
    #100

    Sad truth, but it's no excuse.

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    • B but_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world
      6 Jun 2025, 11:41

      Don’t speak I’ll of steam and billionaire Gabe around here. The steam bros are gonna crucify you for daring to even think ill of THEIR corporation and THEIR billionaire who of course loves and cares for them all.

      Edit: there it is 🤣

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      kadup@lemmy.world
      wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 12:05 last edited by
      #101

      What's Steam got to do with Borderlands 2 having a rootkit?

      B B 2 Replies Last reply 6 Jun 2025, 12:19
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      • L laintrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        6 Jun 2025, 11:57

        Yikes. Is the review in the screenshot true? They got root anticheat? Or rootkit data harvesting?

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        fauxliving@lemmy.world
        wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 12:15 last edited by fauxliving@lemmy.world 6 Jun 2025, 11:31
        #102

        No, it's misinformation and people who uncritically repeat things without verification.

        I've had the game installed for years and have to manually apply updates, there hasn't been one. e: I just checked, last update in Steam is dated 2022

        All they've done is make their TOS universal across all of their games.

        e: adding this from last post. TL;DR: People are spreading misinformation

        So, let’s look into the claims.

        Here’s the TOS:

        https://www.take2games.com/legal/en-US/

        There is nothing about root level access.

        In addition, if you look at the patch history for Borderlands 2 on SteamDB, you will see that the last update for the game was 4 August 2022.

        So, to be clear:
        There is nothing in the TOS that requires you to submit to a rootkit and there is no spyware that has been added. The comment in the OP is simply wrong.

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        • O onyxonblack@lemm.ee
          5 Jun 2025, 21:15

          I apparently love downvotes but here goes: All the Borderlands games (annoying childish cell-shaded skinner-box) and everything Gearbox is and has ever created it utter shit. The CEO is a garbage person, and thier dealings with Epic is Capitalist-Oink-Piggy shite! ""FUCK YOU 2K & GEARBOX, AND FUCK YOU BORDERLANDS!"

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          propitiouspanda@lemmy.cafe
          wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 12:16 last edited by
          #103

          Hear hear!

          Borderlands is a neat concept, but it's ruined by an awful studio and reddit-tier 'humor.'

          It was nice to see Battleborn fail because honestly that's what the studio deserves.

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          • R red@sopuli.xyz
            5 Jun 2025, 22:09

            Apart from the politics, the Borderlands games themselves are hardly utter shit for the most part.

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            propitiouspanda@lemmy.cafe
            wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 12:18 last edited by
            #104

            I think they're pretty terrible.

            I've tried multiple times to get in to them and I've come to the conclusion they're just for a gamer with lower standards than me.

            This is also based off of the games that I see borderlands fans like that I think suck ass.

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            • K kadup@lemmy.world
              6 Jun 2025, 12:05

              What's Steam got to do with Borderlands 2 having a rootkit?

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              blackmist@feddit.uk
              wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 12:19 last edited by
              #105

              You're right that it's not Valve they're mad at, buuuuut....

              They could regulate that no games they sell can have rootkits and delist the ones that do, as well as offer refunds if a rootkit is patched in in the future. They have lots of rules already, and I don't think that would be a bad one.

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              • D dil@lemmy.zip
                5 Jun 2025, 22:14

                Except lawbreakers but he tainted it by supporting it and made ppl against it

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                propitiouspanda@lemmy.cafe
                wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 12:20 last edited by
                #106

                Lawbreakers was made by Boss Key studios, headed by Cliff Blezsinski who was the guy behind Gears of War.

                You may be thinking of Battleborn, which was made by Gearbox.

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                • P palmtreeisbesttree@lemmy.world
                  5 Jun 2025, 21:36

                  I’ll just stick to playing my console copy

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                  fauxliving@lemmy.world
                  wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 12:20 last edited by
                  #107

                  console

                  If you're worried about personal data collection then I have some bad news for you...

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                  • E ensignpacts@lemmy.world
                    6 Jun 2025, 09:44

                    I doubt it though, the game will be 13 years old this year. It wouldn’t make financial sense for them to bother.

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                    propitiouspanda@lemmy.cafe
                    wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 12:21 last edited by
                    #108

                    That's not the point.

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                    • B blackmist@feddit.uk
                      6 Jun 2025, 12:19

                      You're right that it's not Valve they're mad at, buuuuut....

                      They could regulate that no games they sell can have rootkits and delist the ones that do, as well as offer refunds if a rootkit is patched in in the future. They have lots of rules already, and I don't think that would be a bad one.

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                      kadup@lemmy.world
                      wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 12:24 last edited by kadup@lemmy.world 6 Jun 2025, 08:25
                      #109

                      So should Walmart stop selling products that I deem unfit based on my personal preferences too? Say goodbye to animal fats, products made in the US, ultra processed foods, some fruit I just don't like the taste of, all Nestlé products...

                      I think you get the point.

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                      • K kadup@lemmy.world
                        6 Jun 2025, 12:24

                        So should Walmart stop selling products that I deem unfit based on my personal preferences too? Say goodbye to animal fats, products made in the US, ultra processed foods, some fruit I just don't like the taste of, all Nestlé products...

                        I think you get the point.

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                        blackmist@feddit.uk
                        wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 12:36 last edited by
                        #110

                        If somebody put strychnine in the guacamole, I'd expect Walmart to remove it from the shelves and offer refunds to anyone that bought it.

                        If somebody distributed malware through Steam, I'd expect them to stop it also.

                        Not that there is currently malware in Borderlands 2, but their EULA says they could put it there if they wanted, and there's nothing you could do about it.

                        As usual, money is the best message. So if they do put it into a game you've paid for, request a refund. If Valve starts losing money, they will change their rules.

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                        • F fauxliving@lemmy.world
                          6 Jun 2025, 12:20

                          console

                          If you're worried about personal data collection then I have some bad news for you...

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                          palmtreeisbesttree@lemmy.world
                          wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 12:47 last edited by palmtreeisbesttree@lemmy.world 6 Jun 2025, 08:47
                          #111

                          Every government and corporation has some data on us no matter how we like it. I was referring to my Xbox 360 copy which is totally offline.

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                          • F fauxliving@lemmy.world
                            6 Jun 2025, 12:15

                            No, it's misinformation and people who uncritically repeat things without verification.

                            I've had the game installed for years and have to manually apply updates, there hasn't been one. e: I just checked, last update in Steam is dated 2022

                            All they've done is make their TOS universal across all of their games.

                            e: adding this from last post. TL;DR: People are spreading misinformation

                            So, let’s look into the claims.

                            Here’s the TOS:

                            https://www.take2games.com/legal/en-US/

                            There is nothing about root level access.

                            In addition, if you look at the patch history for Borderlands 2 on SteamDB, you will see that the last update for the game was 4 August 2022.

                            So, to be clear:
                            There is nothing in the TOS that requires you to submit to a rootkit and there is no spyware that has been added. The comment in the OP is simply wrong.

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                            diurnambule@jlai.lu
                            wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 12:54 last edited by
                            #112

                            He said it, root access level in the TOS of BorderLand. Not that a root kit is included, but that they allowed them self to inclid it whenever they can. That not misinformation...

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                            • L laintrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                              6 Jun 2025, 11:57

                              Yikes. Is the review in the screenshot true? They got root anticheat? Or rootkit data harvesting?

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                              diurnambule@jlai.lu
                              wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 12:56 last edited by diurnambule@jlai.lu 6 Jun 2025, 15:49
                              #113

                              He said they added a kernel level anticheat in the TOS which is true. But they seem to have not included it in the game yet. But they tell that by possedong the game you allow them to.
                              Edit : typo but can't correct "possedong" now

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                              • B blackmist@feddit.uk
                                6 Jun 2025, 12:36

                                If somebody put strychnine in the guacamole, I'd expect Walmart to remove it from the shelves and offer refunds to anyone that bought it.

                                If somebody distributed malware through Steam, I'd expect them to stop it also.

                                Not that there is currently malware in Borderlands 2, but their EULA says they could put it there if they wanted, and there's nothing you could do about it.

                                As usual, money is the best message. So if they do put it into a game you've paid for, request a refund. If Valve starts losing money, they will change their rules.

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                                diurnambule@jlai.lu
                                wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 12:59 last edited by
                                #114

                                Steam refunded me multiple time for game where EULA changed and I disagreed with it. I told them that the EULA changed to include spyware capabilities and I don't agree with the EULA change.

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                                • G godwins_law@lemmy.ca
                                  6 Jun 2025, 11:19

                                  I object to that for XCOM

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                                  dacotaco@lemmy.world
                                  wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 13:00 last edited by
                                  #115

                                  True, it was always bad 😛

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                                  • B blackmist@feddit.uk
                                    6 Jun 2025, 12:19

                                    You're right that it's not Valve they're mad at, buuuuut....

                                    They could regulate that no games they sell can have rootkits and delist the ones that do, as well as offer refunds if a rootkit is patched in in the future. They have lots of rules already, and I don't think that would be a bad one.

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                                    a_union_of_kobolds@lemmy.world
                                    wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 13:11 last edited by
                                    #116

                                    That's a nice thought, and they should do that, but you've gotta do better at picking and choosing your moments

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                                    • B bimbimboy@lemm.ee
                                      5 Jun 2025, 17:45
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                                      theobvioussolution@lemm.ee
                                      wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 13:26 last edited by theobvioussolution@lemm.ee 6 Jun 2025, 09:28
                                      #117

                                      So 50% score loss because of a permissive EULA, got it ...

                                      I'll just leave this in the "Pitchforks against Pitchford" and "Woke, must hate" folder. Call me back when they do actually include a rootkit in their games instead of jumping the gun because loud feelings say loud things. If only there was some way to get statistics of the people getting outraged because of posts in a subreddit community and the people who don't have a problem with rootkits installed by their favorite MMOs...

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                                      • K kadup@lemmy.world
                                        6 Jun 2025, 12:05

                                        What's Steam got to do with Borderlands 2 having a rootkit?

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                                        but_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world
                                        wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 13:53 last edited by
                                        #118

                                        If this was on PSN or the Nintendo shop, everyone downvoting me would be up in arms blaming Sony and Nintendo

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                                        • B but_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world
                                          6 Jun 2025, 13:53

                                          If this was on PSN or the Nintendo shop, everyone downvoting me would be up in arms blaming Sony and Nintendo

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                                          outlierblue@lemmy.ca
                                          wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 14:04 last edited by
                                          #119

                                          But it's not. So don't make up scenarios and then claim persecution when people downvote you.

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