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A sovereign Microsoft 365 alternative: Nextcloud and IONOS join forces - Nextcloud

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  • otter@lemmy.caO [email protected]

    As organizations are looking to reclaim their digital sovereignty, IONOS and Nextcloud are building the fully featured office suite “Nextcloud Workspace”: a powerful Microsoft 365 alternative. As long-standing partners, we have the expertise to enable large companies and organizations with an all-round office suite as European answer to US products. Announced at the Nextcloud Summit earlier this month, this collaboration for digitally sovereign office software that meets the highest data protection requirements will launch in 2025.

    To meet the rigorous needs of public institutions and enterprises, Nextcloud Workspace will integrate a full range of collaboration tools, including file storage and sharing, document editing, email, calendaring, video conferencing, chat, and AI-powered productivity features. Of course, this offering will be fully GDPR compliant and securely hosted in Europe.

    Organizations can trust Nextcloud to deliver a fully integrated office and collaboration suite, thanks to the company’s experience in creating the world’s leading private cloud platform. IONOS, Europe’s largest cloud and hosting provider, is the ideal partner to ensure full GDPR compliance and protection from US legal exposure. Hosting will be managed exclusively in Germany, at IONOS’ extensive network of data centers.

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    It's an alternative, but IONOS honestly fucking sucks as well, so I'm feeling pretty ambivalent about this.

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      Please tell me they're not writing it in php.

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      I might be wrong, but it sounds like hosted nextcloud, not a completely new platform.

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        Kinda sounds awful honestly.

        I do use nextcloud for my small team. It's the best of the selfhosted file sync platforms.

        That said, it's obscenely over engineered.

        Who ever wanted a file sync platform that also does calendaring and contacts?

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        you can delete the calendaring and contacts apps

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          you can delete the calendaring and contacts apps

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          No, you have to complain about them. It's the law.

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            I might be wrong, but it sounds like hosted nextcloud, not a completely new platform.

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            Nextcloud is so slow and brittle, I can’t imagine scaling

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              Kinda sounds awful honestly.

              I do use nextcloud for my small team. It's the best of the selfhosted file sync platforms.

              That said, it's obscenely over engineered.

              Who ever wanted a file sync platform that also does calendaring and contacts?

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              Who ever wanted a file sync platform that also does calendaring and contacts?

              "Who ever wanted standard features from office 365 from their office 365 competitor"

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                Who ever wanted a file sync platform that also does calendaring and contacts?

                "Who ever wanted standard features from office 365 from their office 365 competitor"

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                Nextcloud isn't a 365 competitor?

                It's filesync with contacts and calendar.

                Even once you build in documents and spreadsheets, 365 at least has separate applications for that - its not a single overblown behemoth.

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                  No, you have to complain about them. It's the law.

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                  Well if I uninstaller them what would i complain about?

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                    Nextcloud isn't a 365 competitor?

                    It's filesync with contacts and calendar.

                    Even once you build in documents and spreadsheets, 365 at least has separate applications for that - its not a single overblown behemoth.

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                    Nextcloud isn't a 365 competitor?

                    You're in a thread about it being used as one, so that argument is worthless.

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                      Who ever wanted a file sync platform that also does calendaring and contacts?

                      Most O365 & exchange users? If you just want file sync, this isn't for you. If you want a collaborative (online) office suite that can also sync files, it is. It's meant to be able to replace the whole O365 stack, which includes Outlook.

                      You can also just not use that part, or any part you don't need. This is basic NC functionality that has been there for a very long time, so why shouldn't it be part of the package?

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                      Sure that's why I drive my 4wd anywhere i want to go - i don't want or need 4wd but I can just not use that functionality.

                      Sorry what office suite is basic NC functionality that has been there for a long time?

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                        Nextcloud isn't a 365 competitor?

                        It's filesync with contacts and calendar.

                        Even once you build in documents and spreadsheets, 365 at least has separate applications for that - its not a single overblown behemoth.

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                        I use Nextcloud for contacts, calendars, files, bookmarks, passwords, to do lists, Kanban boards, and recipies. You absolutely can turn nextcloud into a 365 competitor if that's your jam

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                          Sure that's why I drive my 4wd anywhere i want to go - i don't want or need 4wd but I can just not use that functionality.

                          Sorry what office suite is basic NC functionality that has been there for a long time?

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                          Pretty much every car today IS AWD - a better version of plain old 4WD. So even your analogy doesn't work.

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                            Pretty much every car today IS AWD - a better version of plain old 4WD. So even your analogy doesn't work.

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                            Oh please. AWD is not "better" 4WD. 2 different things for completely different purposes.

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                              I use Nextcloud for contacts, calendars, files, bookmarks, passwords, to do lists, Kanban boards, and recipies. You absolutely can turn nextcloud into a 365 competitor if that's your jam

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                              Those are add-ons.

                              Besides which, o365 is not a single self hosted php behemoth.

                              I'm loathe to extoll the virtues of 365. I don't use it and never will.

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                              • recursive_recursion@lemmy.caR [email protected]

                                Oh shit

                                This will undoubtedly have a major impact against Microsoft and even perhaps Google.

                                AI-powered productivity features.

                                Everything is pretty sweet except ^the AI productivity features. Hopefully the AI portions are optional opt-ins rather than it being preincluded opt-outs.

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                                I actually want AI on my Nextcloud. As long as it runs locally. We've taken thousands of pictures over the years and desperately need some help in categorising them. Unfortunately so far I wasn't able to find any reliable way to automate it.

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                                  Glad to have helped. The only issue I may have with it is that the web frontend feels a bit slow, but O mainly use it as a file sync service, so it doesn't bother me too much.

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                                  Nice to see that the professionals have the same problems I have.

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                                    Well if I uninstaller them what would i complain about?

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                                    I don't make the rules. If you're on lemmy qnd nextcloud does exactly what you want you need to complain about it being "over engineered" or "bloated" because it does things you don't need.

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                                    • bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.deB [email protected]

                                      I actually want AI on my Nextcloud. As long as it runs locally. We've taken thousands of pictures over the years and desperately need some help in categorising them. Unfortunately so far I wasn't able to find any reliable way to automate it.

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                                      Have you tried Immich? It runs local and is open source. I haven't yet but was planning to soon as I have the same struggle

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                                      • unforeseen@sh.itjust.worksU [email protected]

                                        Have you tried Immich? It runs local and is open source. I haven't yet but was planning to soon as I have the same struggle

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                                        Yeah, trouble is that it doesn't really work well with Nextcloud together so I would have to migrate all of my devices.

                                        And in the end it doesn't work much better than NC.

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                                        • bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.deB [email protected]

                                          I actually want AI on my Nextcloud. As long as it runs locally. We've taken thousands of pictures over the years and desperately need some help in categorising them. Unfortunately so far I wasn't able to find any reliable way to automate it.

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                                          Have you tried hiring a couple humans? They're much better than AI. And you help your local (physical or virtual) economy!

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