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  3. What's going on with Borderlands 2? Steam is giving it for free, but the game has 23% positive recent reviews.

What's going on with Borderlands 2? Steam is giving it for free, but the game has 23% positive recent reviews.

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  • P [email protected]

    See you're looking at it from the point of view that it would serve the player experience, but that's not what it's for, it's to mine your data

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    We haven’t gotten another Middle Earth game because it had an online requirement

    Now look where we are

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    • R [email protected]

      I sometimes wonder what will happen when EAC, that has root access to millions of PCs, gets compromised or has grunty employee and pushes malicious update

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      #167

      It probably spys on you already.

      The company that makes the Overwolf game launcher is an Israli cyber security company that gets money from the US.

      Tencent spys on people for China through a lot of the games they own.

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      • V [email protected]

        Do we know this is a thing in the EU?

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        I just read the german version and compared them a little. (https://www.take2games.com/privacy/de/) Its about the same. But ist also reads fairly normal like any other privacy policy. I also think its in line with EU law. The collected data always relates to whatever TakeTwo service you use and whatever data you provide voluntarily or technically by using it. Thats fine by EU law.

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        • I [email protected]

          Thats a windows thing so it can put files in "protected" folders like program files

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          What's with this anyway? A remnant from the single-user days?

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          • B [email protected]

            I didnt realize Steam would do that. There have been several times where EULAs changed or malware was added a year or more later and I just assumed I had no recourse.

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            #170

            Dépend on the backslash they get.
            I have to admit it didn't work each time.
            Last time I did it was for a psn account requirement added after they sold it

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            • H [email protected]

              That's a typo from an i to an o, commenter probably meant possessing but made a mistake and tried to type posseding, I suspect their native language is french given their username and "to possess" in french is "posséder".

              That being said, a possedong sounds intriguing

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              Do you do osint ? ... That pretty Mich on point. I use a English/French keyboard and sometime autocorrect do strange things.

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              • C [email protected]

                Sincerely thank you for commenting. I was completely dumbfounded with @[email protected]'s statement and wasn't sure if I wanted to waste my time with a response if it was just trolling.

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                #172

                If that's all it takes to dumbfound you, I am profoundly jealous. Anyways.

                Those aren't the claims fauxliving was making. They claim that there is no indication of taketwo requesting root level access and they're strictly right, there is no language requesting that permission (or equivalents) (but I doubt that would matter to TakeTwo since they could argue it's implicit)

                They then claim that there has been no change to the game to include kernel level anticheat, which is also true.

                What you presented does nothing to substantiate or refute those claims, just the claims made in the OP. Fauxliving's comment was arguably off base, sure, but substantially their points are correct.

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                • gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.comG [email protected]

                  I actually tried this with BL2 last week and got told "no, you've owned it for almost 10 years"

                  I find it hard to disagree with that notion, but also have a pirated copy with my saves backed up ready to fucking go

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                  Yeah it didn't work each time.I don't remember the specific game, I think they got a huge backslash with some game and I kept asking for refund and telling them I disagree with EULA update which made my game unusable.
                  I am in Europe through, that may have played a rôle

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                  • B [email protected]

                    This thread makes me wish we could have a discussion community where we exclude Americans. Even the left are nuts over there now. Nothing but name calling and shit slinging. Glad your country is drowning

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                    #174

                    Hahaha, you killed me. XD
                    You have problem with the default country ?

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                    • W [email protected]

                      If that's all it takes to dumbfound you, I am profoundly jealous. Anyways.

                      Those aren't the claims fauxliving was making. They claim that there is no indication of taketwo requesting root level access and they're strictly right, there is no language requesting that permission (or equivalents) (but I doubt that would matter to TakeTwo since they could argue it's implicit)

                      They then claim that there has been no change to the game to include kernel level anticheat, which is also true.

                      What you presented does nothing to substantiate or refute those claims, just the claims made in the OP. Fauxliving's comment was arguably off base, sure, but substantially their points are correct.

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                      #175

                      "What you presented does nothing to substantiate or refute"

                      There is nothing in the TOS that requires you to submit to a rootkit

                      We also may use internal and third-party anti-cheat technologies

                      prepare to be even more profoundly jealous because I'm profoundly dumbfounded at this point.

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                        Ok so that explains the bad reviews, but why is steam giving the game away for free? Also BL3 is heavily discounted

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                        • R [email protected]

                          I sometimes wonder what will happen when EAC, that has root access to millions of PCs, gets compromised or has grunty employee and pushes malicious update

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                          Same thing that happened to genshin when it's anti cheats got compromised I would guess. Not a lot and everyone ends up not caring.

                          Because normal people do not give a single fuck about the technical aspect of data privacy.

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                          • C [email protected]

                            "What you presented does nothing to substantiate or refute"

                            There is nothing in the TOS that requires you to submit to a rootkit

                            We also may use internal and third-party anti-cheat technologies

                            prepare to be even more profoundly jealous because I'm profoundly dumbfounded at this point.

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                            I don't really know how else to phrase this, but I'll give it a shot anyways: Anti-cheat isn't intrinsically linked to root level permissions. It's inclusion in a section about data sources compounds that concept. That is the claim that you are now making, and which isn't supported by the section you've cited.

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                            • softestsapphic@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

                              It probably spys on you already.

                              The company that makes the Overwolf game launcher is an Israli cyber security company that gets money from the US.

                              Tencent spys on people for China through a lot of the games they own.

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                              Holy fuck I did not know about Overwolf. That's the last time I download something from my, apparently, dipshit friend (no, this is not the only stupid thing he's done).

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                              • J [email protected]

                                Holy fuck I did not know about Overwolf. That's the last time I download something from my, apparently, dipshit friend (no, this is not the only stupid thing he's done).

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                                Hey, maybe your friend didn't know either!(nor did i😭)

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                                • W [email protected]

                                  I don't really know how else to phrase this, but I'll give it a shot anyways: Anti-cheat isn't intrinsically linked to root level permissions. It's inclusion in a section about data sources compounds that concept. That is the claim that you are now making, and which isn't supported by the section you've cited.

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                                  It is also worth nothing that no Borderlands games use anti-cheat, much less kernel anti-cheat. I'd even go as far as to say that no Gearbox, Take2 or 2k Games use kernel anti-cheat.

                                  This is boilerplate language for games which include an online service component. Publishers often use the same Terms of Service across all of their games, so they include language that is often irrelevant for any specific game.

                                  The only thing that's different about this is that there are a bunch of bored people who consume engagement farming content, which often make outrageous claims in order to earn money from engagement farming. This "story" is not an actual story, but it is a great example of how a mob can be summoned with some creative writing and a credulous audience.

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                                  • O [email protected]

                                    I just don't understand anticheat or copy protection on PvE games. I can understand it if you don't want to play against a cheater, but this is a cooperative shooter.

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                                    IIRC Borderlands 3 scales the value of loot to the game's difficulty setting, with some mechanics aimed at encouraging players to join online coops at high difficulties in order to earn more valuable loot. I imagine cheats undermine that intent, and I also imagine borderlands 4 might be aiming at a pay to play scheme.

                                    I'm guessing this EULA is being used for all their IP with the intent of taking advantage of it in the future.

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                                    • D [email protected]

                                      Do you do osint ? ... That pretty Mich on point. I use a English/French keyboard and sometime autocorrect do strange things.

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                                      I had to look this up... looks like it's a whole thing

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                                      • vavakado@infosec.pubV [email protected]

                                        Hey, maybe your friend didn't know either!(nor did i😭)

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                                        Yes that's the problem, he doesn't know a lot of things. He also doesn't seem very keen on learning them.

                                        He's young, so I still have hope for him but god damnit he's stupid and a potential hazard apparently.

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                                        • I [email protected]

                                          We haven’t gotten another Middle Earth game because it had an online requirement

                                          Now look where we are

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                                          Hey, you posted this twice. Pretty easy to do, if your initial post does not go through and you hit Reply again…

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