What's going on with Borderlands 2? Steam is giving it for free, but the game has 23% positive recent reviews.
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If more folks are waking up and shaking a stick at it or doing something but blindly click through (thus legally unenforceable) EULAs I'm all for it.
Better late than never.
I get that and agree, this is just a crappy and kinda dumb stick to be wasting the energy on because it makes the side opposing the injustice look like petulant children instead of enabling effective action.
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Let's ride the wave. Turn this into a huge controversy known industry-wide. Then, next game that comes out with EULA like this, we say "THIS GAME HAS A BORDERLANDS-STYLE EULA". Pretend it's new to exploit the shock value and get the gamers riled up. Then, the industry gets better.
Tell the frog that the pot wasn't always this hot.
Thank you for an actually constructive response. You’ve honestly brought me around a bit with this.
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I’m sad you read this as an admission of defeat and an attempt to deter others from fighting. Was hoping for more of a ‘you’re late, you have a bunch of homework to catch up on’ vibe but I’m not great at communicating all the time.
It seems like you're giving of a "victim" vibe with this by stating you wished for only a particular type of "positive response" when you've posted a misleading comment and doubled-down with "EULAs half the people in this thread have already clicked thru" which you have no way of knowing.
Were all Take Two games automatically updated in secret and now hijack your machine with root access to spy on everything you do?
10.2. Updates, Modifications, and Sunset. We may provide patches, updates, or upgrades to the Services, Virtual Items, Content, or your Account that may be required for you to continue using the Services, including automatic or “in the background” updates without notice to you.
"Was hoping for more of a ‘you’re late, you have a bunch of homework to catch up on’" You're expecting others to hold your hand and inform you of every event or action taken by every company. I guess I'll do my part since I have been trying to let other people know for a while now,
StormGate - Privacy Policy and End User Agreement. Is this just the new industry standard to avoid? (post made by me 10 months ago)
Why don't you see it more?
Steam Discussion deleted after questioning the "EULA" of Stormgate, another post by me after I tried to inform others and was suppressed, meaning the reviews is the only course of action that most have at their disposal. Even posting on their official subreddit did no good with the exact same type of response you've presented here,
Why am I consenting to have my "Medical Information", "Browser/Search History", "Social Security/Drivers License number", "Geolocation and movements", and more collected to play Stormgate? (22k members, only 122 upvotes)
(the responses)
- They didn't collect such information (they technically couldn't), they are giving examples of such types of personally identifiable information.
- Yeah, it's excessive, they don't need half of this. However, writing it this way makes it near impossible for them to screw up by accident. If you play games, you probably agreed to a handful of ELUA's like that by now.
- This keeps getting brought up in every controversial game these days and the answer is always the same: They aren't.
- Most of this is not out of the ordinary.
- Imagine thinking all of this information about you isn't already owned by several corporations lol.
- Some of these stuffs are required in X countries not yours, stop thinking the entire world is all about you buddy.
You've officially become part of the problem and an ally to the very same reason why we can't "accomplish the organized action needed for real change (than leaving a bunch of negative reviews.)"
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That... doesn't actually rebut anything FauxLiving said. That they may use anti-cheat, and that they may have automatic updates, aren't the claims in question here.
Ummm those two would statements would in fact allow them to install a "anticheat" rookit/kernel program at any time without your knowledge...
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Your mom is wrong. You are not even slightly cool.
This thread makes me wish we could have a discussion community where we exclude Americans. Even the left are nuts over there now. Nothing but name calling and shit slinging. Glad your country is drowning
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Ummm those two would statements would in fact allow them to install a "anticheat" rookit/kernel program at any time without your knowledge...
Sincerely thank you for commenting. I was completely dumbfounded with @[email protected]'s statement and wasn't sure if I wanted to waste my time with a response if it was just trolling.
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See you're looking at it from the point of view that it would serve the player experience, but that's not what it's for, it's to mine your data
We haven’t gotten another Middle Earth game because it had an online requirement
Now look where we are
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See you're looking at it from the point of view that it would serve the player experience, but that's not what it's for, it's to mine your data
We haven’t gotten another Middle Earth game because it had an online requirement
Now look where we are
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I sometimes wonder what will happen when EAC, that has root access to millions of PCs, gets compromised or has grunty employee and pushes malicious update
wrote last edited by [email protected]It probably spys on you already.
The company that makes the Overwolf game launcher is an Israli cyber security company that gets money from the US.
Tencent spys on people for China through a lot of the games they own.
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Do we know this is a thing in the EU?
I just read the german version and compared them a little. (https://www.take2games.com/privacy/de/) Its about the same. But ist also reads fairly normal like any other privacy policy. I also think its in line with EU law. The collected data always relates to whatever TakeTwo service you use and whatever data you provide voluntarily or technically by using it. Thats fine by EU law.
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Thats a windows thing so it can put files in "protected" folders like program files
What's with this anyway? A remnant from the single-user days?
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I didnt realize Steam would do that. There have been several times where EULAs changed or malware was added a year or more later and I just assumed I had no recourse.
Dépend on the backslash they get.
I have to admit it didn't work each time.
Last time I did it was for a psn account requirement added after they sold it -
That's a typo from an i to an o, commenter probably meant possessing but made a mistake and tried to type posseding, I suspect their native language is french given their username and "to possess" in french is "posséder".
That being said, a possedong sounds intriguing
Do you do osint ? ... That pretty Mich on point. I use a English/French keyboard and sometime autocorrect do strange things.
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Sincerely thank you for commenting. I was completely dumbfounded with @[email protected]'s statement and wasn't sure if I wanted to waste my time with a response if it was just trolling.
wrote last edited by [email protected]If that's all it takes to dumbfound you, I am profoundly jealous. Anyways.
Those aren't the claims fauxliving was making. They claim that there is no indication of taketwo requesting root level access and they're strictly right, there is no language requesting that permission (or equivalents) (but I doubt that would matter to TakeTwo since they could argue it's implicit)
They then claim that there has been no change to the game to include kernel level anticheat, which is also true.
What you presented does nothing to substantiate or refute those claims, just the claims made in the OP. Fauxliving's comment was arguably off base, sure, but substantially their points are correct.
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I actually tried this with BL2 last week and got told "no, you've owned it for almost 10 years"
I find it hard to disagree with that notion, but also have a pirated copy with my saves backed up ready to fucking go
Yeah it didn't work each time.I don't remember the specific game, I think they got a huge backslash with some game and I kept asking for refund and telling them I disagree with EULA update which made my game unusable.
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This thread makes me wish we could have a discussion community where we exclude Americans. Even the left are nuts over there now. Nothing but name calling and shit slinging. Glad your country is drowning
Hahaha, you killed me. XD
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If that's all it takes to dumbfound you, I am profoundly jealous. Anyways.
Those aren't the claims fauxliving was making. They claim that there is no indication of taketwo requesting root level access and they're strictly right, there is no language requesting that permission (or equivalents) (but I doubt that would matter to TakeTwo since they could argue it's implicit)
They then claim that there has been no change to the game to include kernel level anticheat, which is also true.
What you presented does nothing to substantiate or refute those claims, just the claims made in the OP. Fauxliving's comment was arguably off base, sure, but substantially their points are correct.
"What you presented does nothing to substantiate or refute"
There is nothing in the TOS that requires you to submit to a rootkit
We also may use internal and third-party anti-cheat technologies
prepare to be even more profoundly jealous because I'm profoundly dumbfounded at this point.
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Ok so that explains the bad reviews, but why is steam giving the game away for free? Also BL3 is heavily discounted
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I sometimes wonder what will happen when EAC, that has root access to millions of PCs, gets compromised or has grunty employee and pushes malicious update
Same thing that happened to genshin when it's anti cheats got compromised I would guess. Not a lot and everyone ends up not caring.
Because normal people do not give a single fuck about the technical aspect of data privacy.
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"What you presented does nothing to substantiate or refute"
There is nothing in the TOS that requires you to submit to a rootkit
We also may use internal and third-party anti-cheat technologies
prepare to be even more profoundly jealous because I'm profoundly dumbfounded at this point.
I don't really know how else to phrase this, but I'll give it a shot anyways: Anti-cheat isn't intrinsically linked to root level permissions. It's inclusion in a section about data sources compounds that concept. That is the claim that you are now making, and which isn't supported by the section you've cited.
