What's going on with Borderlands 2? Steam is giving it for free, but the game has 23% positive recent reviews.
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This thread makes me wish we could have a discussion community where we exclude Americans. Even the left are nuts over there now. Nothing but name calling and shit slinging. Glad your country is drowning
Hahaha, you killed me. XD
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If that's all it takes to dumbfound you, I am profoundly jealous. Anyways.
Those aren't the claims fauxliving was making. They claim that there is no indication of taketwo requesting root level access and they're strictly right, there is no language requesting that permission (or equivalents) (but I doubt that would matter to TakeTwo since they could argue it's implicit)
They then claim that there has been no change to the game to include kernel level anticheat, which is also true.
What you presented does nothing to substantiate or refute those claims, just the claims made in the OP. Fauxliving's comment was arguably off base, sure, but substantially their points are correct.
"What you presented does nothing to substantiate or refute"
There is nothing in the TOS that requires you to submit to a rootkit
We also may use internal and third-party anti-cheat technologies
prepare to be even more profoundly jealous because I'm profoundly dumbfounded at this point.
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Ok so that explains the bad reviews, but why is steam giving the game away for free? Also BL3 is heavily discounted
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I sometimes wonder what will happen when EAC, that has root access to millions of PCs, gets compromised or has grunty employee and pushes malicious update
Same thing that happened to genshin when it's anti cheats got compromised I would guess. Not a lot and everyone ends up not caring.
Because normal people do not give a single fuck about the technical aspect of data privacy.
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"What you presented does nothing to substantiate or refute"
There is nothing in the TOS that requires you to submit to a rootkit
We also may use internal and third-party anti-cheat technologies
prepare to be even more profoundly jealous because I'm profoundly dumbfounded at this point.
I don't really know how else to phrase this, but I'll give it a shot anyways: Anti-cheat isn't intrinsically linked to root level permissions. It's inclusion in a section about data sources compounds that concept. That is the claim that you are now making, and which isn't supported by the section you've cited.
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It probably spys on you already.
The company that makes the Overwolf game launcher is an Israli cyber security company that gets money from the US.
Tencent spys on people for China through a lot of the games they own.
Holy fuck I did not know about Overwolf. That's the last time I download something from my, apparently, dipshit friend (no, this is not the only stupid thing he's done).
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Holy fuck I did not know about Overwolf. That's the last time I download something from my, apparently, dipshit friend (no, this is not the only stupid thing he's done).
Hey, maybe your friend didn't know either!(nor did i
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I don't really know how else to phrase this, but I'll give it a shot anyways: Anti-cheat isn't intrinsically linked to root level permissions. It's inclusion in a section about data sources compounds that concept. That is the claim that you are now making, and which isn't supported by the section you've cited.
It is also worth nothing that no Borderlands games use anti-cheat, much less kernel anti-cheat. I'd even go as far as to say that no Gearbox, Take2 or 2k Games use kernel anti-cheat.
This is boilerplate language for games which include an online service component. Publishers often use the same Terms of Service across all of their games, so they include language that is often irrelevant for any specific game.
The only thing that's different about this is that there are a bunch of bored people who consume engagement farming content, which often make outrageous claims in order to earn money from engagement farming. This "story" is not an actual story, but it is a great example of how a mob can be summoned with some creative writing and a credulous audience.
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I just don't understand anticheat or copy protection on PvE games. I can understand it if you don't want to play against a cheater, but this is a cooperative shooter.
IIRC Borderlands 3 scales the value of loot to the game's difficulty setting, with some mechanics aimed at encouraging players to join online coops at high difficulties in order to earn more valuable loot. I imagine cheats undermine that intent, and I also imagine borderlands 4 might be aiming at a pay to play scheme.
I'm guessing this EULA is being used for all their IP with the intent of taking advantage of it in the future.
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Do you do osint ? ... That pretty Mich on point. I use a English/French keyboard and sometime autocorrect do strange things.
I had to look this up... looks like it's a whole thing
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Hey, maybe your friend didn't know either!(nor did i
)Yes that's the problem, he doesn't know a lot of things. He also doesn't seem very keen on learning them.
He's young, so I still have hope for him but god damnit he's stupid and a potential hazard apparently.
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We havenât gotten another Middle Earth game because it had an online requirement
Now look where we are
Hey, you posted this twice. Pretty easy to do, if your initial post does not go through and you hit Reply againâŚ
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If you go to the right sites you wonât get any malicious code. Stop spreading corpo propaganda.
There is nuance here. Not every crack is malicious but you have to assume they all are because some of them are. Trusting a source is irrelevant. Many security products will falsely tag cracked software as dangerous just because itâs cracked, not because it found a specific bit of nasty code, and this feeds the idea that you canât believe when people tell you cracked software is unsafe. But there are many truly bad cracks out there. When in doubt, donât trust it.
And you should always doubt free shit.
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Ok so that explains the bad reviews, but why is steam giving the game away for free? Also BL3 is heavily discounted
I think it's up to the publisher, and not steam, to give the game away for free.
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It seems like you're giving of a "victim" vibe with this by stating you wished for only a particular type of "positive response" when you've posted a misleading comment and doubled-down with "EULAs half the people in this thread have already clicked thru" which you have no way of knowing.
Were all Take Two games automatically updated in secret and now hijack your machine with root access to spy on everything you do?
10.2. Updates, Modifications, and Sunset. We may provide patches, updates, or upgrades to the Services, Virtual Items, Content, or your Account that may be required for you to continue using the Services, including automatic or âin the backgroundâ updates without notice to you.
"Was hoping for more of a âyouâre late, you have a bunch of homework to catch up onâ" You're expecting others to hold your hand and inform you of every event or action taken by every company. I guess I'll do my part since I have been trying to let other people know for a while now,
StormGate - Privacy Policy and End User Agreement. Is this just the new industry standard to avoid? (post made by me 10 months ago)
Why don't you see it more?
Steam Discussion deleted after questioning the "EULA" of Stormgate, another post by me after I tried to inform others and was suppressed, meaning the reviews is the only course of action that most have at their disposal. Even posting on their official subreddit did no good with the exact same type of response you've presented here,
Why am I consenting to have my "Medical Information", "Browser/Search History", "Social Security/Drivers License number", "Geolocation and movements", and more collected to play Stormgate? (22k members, only 122 upvotes)
(the responses)
- They didn't collect such information (they technically couldn't), they are giving examples of such types of personally identifiable information.
- Yeah, it's excessive, they don't need half of this. However, writing it this way makes it near impossible for them to screw up by accident. If you play games, you probably agreed to a handful of ELUA's like that by now.
- This keeps getting brought up in every controversial game these days and the answer is always the same: They aren't.
- Most of this is not out of the ordinary.
- Imagine thinking all of this information about you isn't already owned by several corporations lol.
- Some of these stuffs are required in X countries not yours, stop thinking the entire world is all about you buddy.
You've officially become part of the problem and an ally to the very same reason why we can't "accomplish the organized action needed for real change (than leaving a bunch of negative reviews.)"
Man Iâm tired.
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lemmy yet again falls for the ragebait hook line and sinker
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Same thing that happened to genshin when it's anti cheats got compromised I would guess. Not a lot and everyone ends up not caring.
Because normal people do not give a single fuck about the technical aspect of data privacy.
That's right. I'm not lying at all when I say that none of my friends care about privacy. It's actually quite frustrating.
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- Did the EULA change?
- Were all Take Two games automatically updated in secret and now hijack your machine with root access to spy on everything you do?
- Do Take Two games contain code to report telemetry and user information(including application/system activity) to a home server?
- Is this EULA change extraordinary and particularly egregious in comparison to others that most people have probably already agreed to? (IMO)
- Are people riled up because e a YouTube video went a little viral and now theyâre all playing telephone to the point where itâs now gotten to the point of random dumdums are review booming a 13 year old game claiming itâs turned into literal spyware? (again, IMO)
- Should you be surprised by any of this if youâve been even remotely paying attention for any period of the last 30-40 years?
- Do we need more than just angry idiots in the battle against corpatocracy?
We should be done coddling the late comers at this point. Yes welcome them and accept them, but at a certain point your level of ignorance became a detriment to your community and you should be made aware of that fact.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Pretty much nailed it, yep.
A youtuber named Hellfire has been on a spree, basically discovering how fucked up EULAs have been in games for the past 20ish years... well this is all brand new news to him and and his Zoomer / Gen A followers.
There is, as of right now, literally zero evidence that Borderlands 2 has been updated with a rootkit, with kernel level anti cheat, anything like that.
The last update to its game files was 2 years ago.
This is almost certainly them updating the EULA everywhere, the precise timing of this being for some specific arcane legal and business reasons... TakeTwo runs a whole bunch more games than juat Borderlands... namely GTA V...
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Is this EULA bad? Yes.
Is it much worse than it was before, or what other large gaming companies EULAs have, and have had for... a decade+?
Maybe by a bit, but not really, no.
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Is Randy Pitchford a dumb idiot asshole?
Oh absolutely yes, but that shouldn't give people the liscense to make completely unevidenced claims about other things.
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The game does not have a kernel level AC or some kind of rootkit DRM, as many, many people are currently saying it does.
I guess gamer attention span can really hold onto a few keywords and phrases at a time.
... I say this all as person who is vehemently against kernel level AC, who has been pointing out for 4 years, that almost all existing anti cheat systems currently have at least one game that implements their AC, on linux, without using kernel level anything.... it is entirely possible to do AC without kernel level shit, even on linux, and has been for at least 4 years. EAC and BattleEye have supported linux for 4 years, but nearly no game that uses them has actually used this feature/available and offered support.
I am glad that this level of hate is finally being directed at shitty EULAs, but lets at least get our facts straight, or actually provide some hitherto unseen evidence that Borderlands has had some kind of sleeper malware in it for at least the past two years, just waiting to be activated by a TOS update to every single Take Two game.
- Did the EULA change?
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What's with this anyway? A remnant from the single-user days?
Some software installers still ask if I want to install for all users, which require elevated permissions, or only for me, which don't. In that last option it will not prompt for elevated permissions as it will use one of my user's folders which I have already all permissions for, obviously.
It's a security measure that's half assed. People are so used to it they just click allow but don't actually look at the prompt anymore. Like I see a lot of people do with cookies on websites.
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giving root level access to russian crackers instead
Damn, its such a shame you can't run a crack in a vm, or on linux via WINE and Proton, aw shucks.
