Sorry, I thought you meant what you asked, "What does the destruction of the apartheid state look like" and not the entirely different question, "By what means can the destruction of the apartheid state be achieved?"

The effects of the end of apartheid South Africa are the same that we aim for with the end of Israel. Unfortunately, Israel appears to only understand the language of force, and so that is the most likely means of achieving those ends.

If you had actually bothered to link the specific instances where he sources those claims, we would have read them.

But you didn't, because you probably didn't read a book you want us to go on a wild goose chase for. Eyewitness accounts from anglos are only good enough to wipe your ass with and even then there's better alternatives.

No facts then? Cool, I thought so.

Whenever Russia comes up these comments sections devolve into putting the lib in madlibs.

Just nonsensical word salad from people trying to remember what looked like a zinger in another comment section but not knowing when to say it because they didn't know shit then and they sure didn't bother to learn, so they don't know shit now either.

Ok, point at those fair few (lmao) places. That was the original question.

Spare us the hot dogging, show us verifiable facts or shut up.

Well that certainly is a way to convince someone of something; insult them and then other them, and use that othering as the explanation why they just aren't capable of understanding complicated concepts.

Poka poka, spasibo za vstrechu.

Fear not, you didn't miss it, that's just a thing that never happened.

Jesus Christ. Imperialism from Palestinians millennia ago?

Idk how y'all function day to day with delusions like these.

Palestinians can trace their ancestry to that land for far longer than Islam itself has existed. Who the fuck do you think converted to Islam? Zionists thinking the only changes in religious or ideological makeup can be due to total wholesale extermination of men, women and children is extremely telling.

Why would I want to waste my time to convince you of anything? you have it hard coded in your headass that I'm ebil tankie troll you're not going to listen to anything.

Helps that im not the one making the arguments.

So how is "force" harm reduction?

The same way D-Day was harm reduction. This isn't complicated lmao.

I know you're not actually a pacifist since you're a zionist, quit playing dumb.

Im not a zionist. Are you a jihadist?

Edit: if you want the allies to storm isreal thats fine but as you might know, america isn't the world police. Ill stick with that. Should they supply isreal with weapons, no, but make your case to liberals by telling them that they should allow the death/displacement of millions of Jewish people.

You're not a zionist? But literally in the same comment you say that the destruction of the apartheid state of Israel would necessarily mean "the death/displacement of millions of Jewish people." If you don't support the existence of Israel, yet the only alternative to Israel's existence is the death/displacement of millions of Jewish people, then logically that means you support the death/displacement of millions of Jewish people.

Seems kinda antisemitic if you ask me. Like, all I want is for Palestinians to have equal rights, if you want millions of Jews to die that's on you.

That's a trivial naive understanding of the situation but you do you. America isnt storming tel aviv either, so, I guess you have fun playing games in your fantasy world.

That’s a trivial naive understanding of the situation but you do you.

All I did was quote you. That's your understanding of the situation. It's not my fault you don't know what the word "zionist" means.

America isnt storming tel aviv either

You're the only one who's said anything about this idea too, lol.

Har har. You got it all figured out.

Tell me, what happened on D-day?

Tell me, what happens when isreal is under the rule of an islamic government?

Har har. You got it all figured out.

Yes, I do. Zionism means that you support the continued existence of the state of Israel as a Jewish ethnostate, which you obviously do. You've talked yourself into a corner that the only possible way you could not be a zionist (as you claim) is if you support the death of millions of Jews, which you claim is an inevitable consequence of it no longer existing.

Tell me, what happened on D-day?

A genocidal, expansionist ethnostate was successfully and heroically attacked, beginning the liberation of France.

Tell me, what happens when isreal is under the rule of an islamic government?

I already told you. Look at South Africa, as an example. It's not as if wiping an apartheid state off the map hasn't been done before, and obviously any negative consequences that resulted from that change were better than the status quo.

Which do you prefer: a negative peace which is the absence of tension or a positive peace which is the presence of justice?

I do not support isreal being an ethnostate and you wont/cant present me with a path for isreal to integrate with palistine. By your logic youre tantamount to a zionist because you cannot demonstrate how isreal will ever be deconstructed other then by force, death, destruction.

D-day the allied forces attacked a genocidal expansionist state beginning the liberation of France. Who are the allied forces that will liberate palistine?

South Africa was liberated through civil disobedience. That is the South African model.

I prefer likely solutions that can be executed without large human tolls. That and generations long projects that methodically deconstruct oppressive societies and replaces oppression with liberty.

By your logic your tantamount to a zionist because you cannot demonstrate how isreal will ever be deconstructed other then by force, death, destruction.

That's idiotic. I support deconstructing Israel through force, therefore, I am clearly not a Zionist. You do not support deconstructing Israel at all, therefore, you are a Zionist. This is very straightforward logic.

D-day the allied forces attacked a genocidal expansionist state beginning the liberation of France. Who are the allied forces that will liberate palistine?

The same sort of coalition of the willing. The previous Nazis were so bad they got Churchill and Stalin fighting on the same team.

Right now, Hamas, Ansarallah, and Iran seem like the Zionazis' biggest opponents. Hopefully, in time, more will join in opposition.

South Africa was liberated through civil disobedience. That is the South African model.

You're treating tactics for achieving a policy as inseparable from the policy itself, which they're obviously not.

I prefer likely solutions that can be executed without large human tolls. That and generations long projects that methodically deconstruct oppressive societies and replaces oppression with liberty.

Pick one. Because if the Zionist entity is allowed to continue existing for the duration of a "generations long project," then there will, necessarily, be "large human tolls," like, virtually every Gazan, if not every Palestinian.

What would've happened if, instead of directly confronting and abolishing the Nazi state through force, people had followed your advice of waiting for a "generations long project" to effect change? How many more millions would've died?

Justice delayed is justice denied. The longer you kick the can down the road, the longer Israel gets to continue with it's genocidal aims freely.

Zionists, they believe in deconstructing palistine by force. Am I wrong, what is it youre really against zionism or Jewish zionism?

Hamas, Ansarallah, and Iran are not liberartors.

South Africa made policy possible through strategy. You're just looking to extend the tit for tat.

You can use the nazi example as a general analogy. It does not translate to a 1:1 anology. Nazi Germany was not being propped up by an imperialist america.

Edit: you can continue to pretend to throw haymakers but if youre through getting toyed with you can go back to the boss and tell him youre wasting resources.