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  • S [email protected]

    How on Earth is it not settler colonialism when Russia engages in a prolonged campaign of trying to russify the Ukranian language, heavily propogandizing those in border regions to either get them to apply for, or either grant them Russian passports/citizenship, then they claim the rightful borders have moved, then invade and capture those border areas (and others), and then emgage in ethnic cleansing within those border areas?

    Please, explain to me how that isn't settler colonialism, just with a few initial, semi-novel/semi-uncommon extra steps?

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    you don't know what is settler colonialism and you don't know what is reality, gtfo don't compare Palestine to Ukraine

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      you don't know what is settler colonialism and you don't know what is reality, gtfo don't compare Palestine to Ukraine

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      Would you care to explain anything, or do you just want to have a hissy fit?

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      • S [email protected]

        Would you care to explain anything, or do you just want to have a hissy fit?

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        You don't read books or theory about colonialism, you don't look at the news or the current event, you give vibe based "analysis" of the situation, and you want me to explain the entirety of colonialism from beginning to end just because your lazy ass won't read Frantz Fanon.

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          I am just asking. That does not mean I am defending Isreal for fucks sake.

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          ok; it's just been a common rhetoric to justify the continuation of the apartheid if not the genocide outright.

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          • S [email protected]

            You don't read books or theory about colonialism, you don't look at the news or the current event, you give vibe based "analysis" of the situation, and you want me to explain the entirety of colonialism from beginning to end just because your lazy ass won't read Frantz Fanon.

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            Ok so I actually have a degree in Poli Sci and another degree in Econ, I have read quite a lot of theory, often got into arguments with my NeoLiberal professors over things like the IMF, WorldBank, how to evaluate systemic risk in financial markets, the idea of bailing out Wall Street during the GFC instead of jailing them all as corrupt, as Iceland did, once got a bad mark on a paper about conflict goods because my PoliSci prof simply refused to acknowledge that US Army troops were guarding opium farms in Afghanistan, independently sought out and studied modern Marxist econonmists outside of the scope of course work, etc etc.

            I want you to explain, in a couple sentences, or paragraphs if you need to... how the situation I described above either is not settler colonialism, or is a wildly innacurate mischaracterization of the situation, or some mix of both.

            Not just yell 'read theory!' at me and give me an author name.

            I do not need the entire concept of settler colonialism explained to me. I am familiar with it.

            If you've read and understood Fanon, you should be able to... you know, make that argument.

            Succinctly.

            In your own words.

            Otherwise you're just a pretentious hipster, arrogantly name dropping authors and scoffing.

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            • P [email protected]

              Well wasn't the excuse that the Jews had that land originally then over the history of time there were land disputes. I forget the whole history of it but that's a bit I remember.

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              Sure, you could say in this comic it's the guy on the left's childhood home that they moved out of 20 years ago.

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              • P [email protected]

                ok; it's just been a common rhetoric to justify the continuation of the apartheid if not the genocide outright.

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                I know. I 'support' (for lack of a better term because I have not actually done shit for them) Palestinians. But hamas is another matter and I won't pretend they are the good guys.

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                  I always support the culture that doesn’t put women into black togas and tell them what can they do at the threat of being stoned or their hand cut off.

                  That’s why I love israeli. It is hard not to. They are extremely pretty. Men and women alike have some unreal genes. You go on the street and half of it is beautiful women just going about their days like they weren’t looking like angels.

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                    Based audience no cap

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                    • confidant6198@lemmy.mlC [email protected]

                      Original: https://x.com/tinysnekcomics/status/1392518674322448386

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                      Hope i didnt miss the panel where the small guys grandpa murdered a native and setup the chair and table

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                      • objection@lemmy.mlO [email protected]

                        That was like 2500 years ago. There are Palestinians today who still carry the keys of the houses they were forced out of.

                        Should I have the right to go to Africa and kick people out of their houses, on the basis that all humans are believed to have originally come from Africa? There's a statute of limitations at some point, surely.

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                        Is there a statue of limitation on generations of systematic oppression all stemming from brutal imperialism? No, seems kinda dumb for an imperialist to put that in their own law, considering.

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                          Kinda like the Jewish invaders in middle east

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                          Don't you mean zionist

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                            Is there a statue of limitation on generations of systematic oppression all stemming from brutal imperialism? No, seems kinda dumb for an imperialist to put that in their own law, considering.

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                            You're right, everybody needs to continue fighting over millenia long grudges. That's what leftism is all about.

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                            • objection@lemmy.mlO [email protected]

                              You're right, everybody needs to continue fighting over millenia long grudges. That's what leftism is all about.

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                              I suppose youre the ultimate authority on what is just and unjust?

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                              • daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.comD [email protected]

                                I suppose youre the ultimate authority on what is just and unjust?

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                                3000 years ago, those knife-eared bastards double-crossed us, and now none of us dwarves would be caught dead associating with any elf.

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                                • objection@lemmy.mlO [email protected]

                                  3000 years ago, those knife-eared bastards double-crossed us, and now none of us dwarves would be caught dead associating with any elf.

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                                  You digress

                                  Edit: youre like 5 sentences away from admitting harm reduction is the only way to sort these problems and im here for it.

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                                  • S [email protected]

                                    Ok so I actually have a degree in Poli Sci and another degree in Econ, I have read quite a lot of theory, often got into arguments with my NeoLiberal professors over things like the IMF, WorldBank, how to evaluate systemic risk in financial markets, the idea of bailing out Wall Street during the GFC instead of jailing them all as corrupt, as Iceland did, once got a bad mark on a paper about conflict goods because my PoliSci prof simply refused to acknowledge that US Army troops were guarding opium farms in Afghanistan, independently sought out and studied modern Marxist econonmists outside of the scope of course work, etc etc.

                                    I want you to explain, in a couple sentences, or paragraphs if you need to... how the situation I described above either is not settler colonialism, or is a wildly innacurate mischaracterization of the situation, or some mix of both.

                                    Not just yell 'read theory!' at me and give me an author name.

                                    I do not need the entire concept of settler colonialism explained to me. I am familiar with it.

                                    If you've read and understood Fanon, you should be able to... you know, make that argument.

                                    Succinctly.

                                    In your own words.

                                    Otherwise you're just a pretentious hipster, arrogantly name dropping authors and scoffing.

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                                    tankies aren’t usually ones for rationalism or any sort of debate/dialectic, i sincerely doubt you’ll get a response bc he knows he’s gonna get trounced on and revealed as an idiot the moment he attempts to do it.

                                    can’t blame you tho, I like playing around with it sometimes too. it’s like, the opposite of trolling imo. you just hit them with stone-cold rigor and they troll themselves out of frustration lmao.

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                                    • M [email protected]

                                      What are you talking about the russians already lived in donbass which is why they voted to secede when the banderites started bombing them. Its not like settler colonialism at all.

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                                      That doesn't explain why Russians have been occupying land in Ukraine for all that time. When an imperialist state conquers territory, it occupies the land in order to legitimize its claim it.

                                      They are there, because Ukraine has been a vassal state to Russia, with its people treated as second-class citizens, for centuries. During that time, they have oscillated back and forth in status from rebellion to re-conquered, many times. This is just the latest wave of Russian oppression intended to crush dissent and re-establish Russian dominance over Ukraine through the russification of Ukrainian culture, language and identity. Wash, rinse, repeat.

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                                      • objection@lemmy.mlO [email protected]

                                        But many do, and did historically, as it was part of Russia prior to the USSR.

                                        But I have a genuine question: suppose that the majority of people living in Donbass genuinely wanted to break off and become part of Russia. Should they be allowed to, and if so, what steps should they have taken to make it happen, in the context that the government banned major opposition parties that were sympathetic towards Russia? What are you supposed to do, exactly, when the country is moving in a direction that you disagree with and shutting the opposition out of the political process, after seizing power through force?

                                        A downvote is not an answer, btw.

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                                        All that says, is that you are this close to admitting that Ukraine has been an occupied territory for centuries. Except you are using that fact as a justification for continued occupation, and not a reason for Russia to stop their colonial objectives.

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                                          I know. I 'support' (for lack of a better term because I have not actually done shit for them) Palestinians. But hamas is another matter and I won't pretend they are the good guys.

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                                          Hamas are the product of the Israeli regime. if there was no apartheid there would be no Hamas. also they're nowhere near as bad as the IOF.

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