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What's going on with Borderlands 2? Steam is giving it for free, but the game has 23% positive recent reviews.

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  • B [email protected]

    This thread makes me wish we could have a discussion community where we exclude Americans. Even the left are nuts over there now. Nothing but name calling and shit slinging. Glad your country is drowning

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    Cry moar, I'll never see your blocked ass again 🙂

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      I apparently love downvotes but here goes: All the Borderlands games (annoying childish cell-shaded skinner-box) and everything Gearbox is and has ever created it utter shit. The CEO is a garbage person, and thier dealings with Epic is Capitalist-Oink-Piggy shite! ""FUCK YOU 2K & GEARBOX, AND FUCK YOU BORDERLANDS!"

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      #195

      Yep, I am jumping in with you on this one.

      The cell-shaded art style? Not the problem, imo.

      The problem is the just astoundingly terrible writing, immensely insufferable characters, and astonishingly brain dead gameplay.

      Why have weapon balance ortactically interesting scenarios or any real sense of progression in gameplay when we can just procedurally generate guns and do everything we can to make everything into roughly the same level of bullet sponge with auto levelling?

      They are the lowest common denominator of co-op shooter games, made for people who enjoy bombastic sensory overload and near zero prefrontal cortex brain activity while gaming.

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      • B [email protected]

        Precise location information? Wtf for?

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        So that they can have a back door to as many private computers as possible.

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          I had to look this up... looks like it's a whole thing

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          Really ? I though, since you used a though process used in osint.
          Osint is open sources intelligences, it is looking for data about something/someone in data available for all

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            That's right. I'm not lying at all when I say that none of my friends care about privacy. It's actually quite frustrating.

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            Yup, same here. As long as it's convenient, my friends/family don't care what is taken from them.

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            • gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.comG [email protected]

              I'll just leave this in the "Pitchforks against Pitchford" and "Woke, must hate" folder.

              So you're an idiot?

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              People do complain about rootkits, but a reaction on this scale means it might be more fitting for you to reply to the mirror.

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              • M [email protected]

                Lol go home Randy, you're drunk.

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                ... Do you really believe I am Randy Pitchford? Whow, so that's the bar for IQ around these parts ...

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                • M [email protected]

                  Let's try this logic on other things. Their EULA says they can cut off a finger whenever they want. They haven't cut off my finger for my purchase of this game, call me back when they cut it off.

                  If you're someone that doesn't want companies to have root level access to your computer, waiting until it happens is silly when they're telling you it's gonna happen. It is every reason to complain and be concerned.

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                  No offense, but have you ever read EULAs? Even Windows EULA has a lot of "cut off a finger" provisions. It's invasive, and people are right to complain. People might cry Linux, but when their job requires them to use Windows and abide by that EULA, most will crumble.

                  Like it or not, most EULAs are legally binding bullshit that more often than not has to be ignored or bypassed outside of it if necessary. How many people are watching YouTube and ignoring their Terms of Service while using adblockers?

                  This is nothing new in the world of gaming, and to the scale of affecting over 50% of the score of a game for a provision that is often included in other games they have no problem with is what's revealing. A lot of MMOs and many multiplayer games do, but people haven't cried wolf outside of a minority of their community. Pitchford has given his explanation, that it is a matter of the 2K EULA Gearbox has to adopt.

                  Let’s try this logic on other things. Are all 2K games that have this in their newly updated EULA's being boycotted? Hint: Civilization is a 2K game.

                  Some things are just obvious when your head is not stuck inside the ass of a circlejerk bandwagon. It's just sad that some people aren't honest with themselves and and are not willing to recognize how easily they are influenced by people who are holding hidden grudges. Too many games are getting shit on because of this, and I say this as someone who is not looking forward to the next Borderlands game until the discounts drop it well below its 80 dollar price tag several years from now while plenty of loud people in this thread will go out to buy it on day one.

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                    LOL. I loved the Borderlands franchise, until Epic made their evil dog shit app store and the Borderlands devs sold out to them. Motherfuck Borderlands forever now. Thanks for the warning so I don't accidentally reinstall any of it from Steam.

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                    • S [email protected]

                      Damn, its such a shame you can't run a crack in a vm, or on linux via WINE and Proton, aw shucks.

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                      and then run whatever modified code it just deployed on the host, yea

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                      • G [email protected]

                        LOL. I loved the Borderlands franchise, until Epic made their evil dog shit app store and the Borderlands devs sold out to them. Motherfuck Borderlands forever now. Thanks for the warning so I don't accidentally reinstall any of it from Steam.

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                        Bro get a life, it's not that serious. Evil app store lmao as if they're out to murder you and your family

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                        • M [email protected]

                          Its a bit more than that:

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                          Would it shock you to know that ALL of these are in the Steam terms of service also?

                          The only really sus one to me is the forced arbitration clause, and Steam also had that til they were pressured to remove it by multiple legal cases, including a class action brought to them by Steam users just last September. It is only sus because it's outdated - companies are generally removing them now rather than adding them.
                          https://www.legal.io/articles/5540864/Valve-Removes-Mandatory-Arbitration-from-Steam-Subscriber-Agreement

                          RE: remaining top 5 bullet points, 3 of the remaining 4 bullet points are uncontroversial bullet points about anticheat. The fourth is banning modding, which is also just a heavy handed anticheat attempt, and not uncommon for online games to add to their ToS to allow banning at their discretion. Either way its clumsy at the least as some mods can be harmless eg HUD mods for colourblind people and deserves some negativity - but not to this level, given everything else is just so boilerplate.

                          Collected data types: these are all for if you buy stuff with a credit card / paypal / etc off 2k/parent company Take 2. Remember, they sell games with in-game purchases. They also have an app which has location permissions option which is what the precise location is about.

                          So yes - again, as OP said, this is nothing controversial if you have paid attention to ToS meaning and content over the past 20 years.

                          Aside from the forced arbitration crap - which Steam, Microsoft, Amazon, Lyft, Uber, Google, AT&T - and hundreds of other major companies all snuck into their ToS over the years, and many have now been legally pressured to remove by consumer rights group. That is stupid because it shows their legal team is behind the times, companies are mostly removing their forced arbitration clauses nowadays because it has been the cause of many lost class actions.

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                          • theobvioussolution@lemm.eeT [email protected]

                            No offense, but have you ever read EULAs? Even Windows EULA has a lot of "cut off a finger" provisions. It's invasive, and people are right to complain. People might cry Linux, but when their job requires them to use Windows and abide by that EULA, most will crumble.

                            Like it or not, most EULAs are legally binding bullshit that more often than not has to be ignored or bypassed outside of it if necessary. How many people are watching YouTube and ignoring their Terms of Service while using adblockers?

                            This is nothing new in the world of gaming, and to the scale of affecting over 50% of the score of a game for a provision that is often included in other games they have no problem with is what's revealing. A lot of MMOs and many multiplayer games do, but people haven't cried wolf outside of a minority of their community. Pitchford has given his explanation, that it is a matter of the 2K EULA Gearbox has to adopt.

                            Let’s try this logic on other things. Are all 2K games that have this in their newly updated EULA's being boycotted? Hint: Civilization is a 2K game.

                            Some things are just obvious when your head is not stuck inside the ass of a circlejerk bandwagon. It's just sad that some people aren't honest with themselves and and are not willing to recognize how easily they are influenced by people who are holding hidden grudges. Too many games are getting shit on because of this, and I say this as someone who is not looking forward to the next Borderlands game until the discounts drop it well below its 80 dollar price tag several years from now while plenty of loud people in this thread will go out to buy it on day one.

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                            I agree they should expand their review protest to all games in the catalog and not selectively review bomb. Consumers have every reason to impact products success through their purchasing power and reviews. I stopped giving my money to game companies I don't like a decade ago. It means missing some games, but there is so much out there it hardly matters. I don't give a shit about this specific controversy, but I do think people have every reason to use their bully pulpit to attempt to impact consumer habits and therefore at least attempt change, even if they are often unsuccessful.

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                              and then run whatever modified code it just deployed on the host, yea

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                              A game with a malicious crack that can escape a VM running on Windows and get to the main OS?

                              Sure, possible, but not by any means common.

                              A game with a malicious crack made for Windows that can... do anything nefarious when you're running it on linux via WINE and Proton?

                              ... Theoretically possible, but I've never heard of this actually occuring.

                              The same, but also inside another linux OS inside of a Bottle or Distrobox... or full VM... all running on a linux system that is significantly atomized with a read only core-os?

                              ... At that point I am quite doubtful anyone is bothering to make a malicious crack that capable... when 99% of the existing game trainers and hacks that you can find or buy online... only work on Windows.

                              The crowd of people making game exploits and cheat engines... and the crowd of people making malicious game cracks.... that venn diagram is almost a circle... and 99% of these people do not bother to 'support' linux, in anyway, at all, with anything they do.

                              Is using any random cracked software ever 100% safe? No.

                              But neither is say, using a Windows system, with 0 cracks or hacks... but with a MSFT trusted vendor's 3rd party anti malware software... where said trusted vendor is allowed to push an unverified update to their kernel level anti-malware system... that is actually malformed, and then knocks out about 1/4 of every enterprise Windows PCs on Earth for 2 weeks.

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                                They added spyware to it.

                                Here is excerpt from the tos, shared by user in steam reviews of the game.

                                ::: spoiler important Info in Terms of Service:

                                • Mods are a bannable offense
                                • Display of Cheats/Exploits is bannable
                                • Forced arbitration clause and a waiver of class action and jury trial rights for all users residing in the United States and any other territory other than Australia, Switzerland, The United Kingdom, or The Territories of The European Economic Area
                                • You can be banned for using a VPN while connecting to online servers
                                • Cannot access game content on a Virtual PC

                                Collected Data Types:
                                • Identifiers / Contact Information: Name, user name, gamertag, postal and email address, phone number, unique IDs, mobile device ID, platform ID, gaming service ID, advertising ID (IDFA, Android ID) and IP address
                                • Protected Characteristics: Age and gender
                                • Commercial Information: Purchase and usage history and preferences, including gameplay information
                                • Billing Information: Payment information (credit / debit card information) and shipping address
                                • Internet / Electronic Activity: Web / app browsing and gameplay information related to the Services; information about your online interaction(s) with the Services or our advertising; and details about the games and platforms you use and other information related to installed applications
                                • Device and Usage Data: Device type, software and hardware details, language settings, browser type and version, operating system, and information about how users use and interact with the Services (e.g., content viewed, pages visited, clicks, scrolls)
                                • Profile Inferences: Inferences made from your information and web activity to help create a personalized profile so we can identify goods and services that may be of interest
                                • Audio / Visual Information: Account photos, images, and avatars, audio information via chat features and functionality, and gameplay recordings and video footage (such as when you participate in playtesting)
                                • Sensitive Information: Precise location information (if you allow the Services to collect your location), account credentials (user name and password), and contents of communications via chat features and functionality.
                                :::

                                I wouldnt touch anything this company has produced.

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                                • J [email protected]

                                  Holy fuck I did not know about Overwolf. That's the last time I download something from my, apparently, dipshit friend (no, this is not the only stupid thing he's done).

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                                  I think it's kind of ironic you call your friend apparently a dipshit for not knowing something you also didn't know... pot calling the kettle black & all.

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                                  • B [email protected]

                                    Bro get a life, it's not that serious. Evil app store lmao as if they're out to murder you and your family

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                                    I know thats not a risk for you, but this data could genuinely be used by the us government to do that in the near future, for many marginalized populations.

                                    Especially queer people and anyone who could be seen as an immigrant.

                                    Some of us have real problems in life, and have to actually give literally a single fuck about the world.

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                                    • F [email protected]

                                      Yup, same here. As long as it's convenient, my friends/family don't care what is taken from them.

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                                      Then the death squads will come in, and they'll ask 'how could this possibly happen!?', getting fucking pissed or saying "we couldn't have known!" when you answer, and offer an 'i fucking told you so' in line for the camps.

                                      You're there too, because they tagged you in everything.

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                                        Ok so that explains the bad reviews, but why is steam giving the game away for free? Also BL3 is heavily discounted

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                                        Publisher made it free to propagate their spyware.

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                                        • F [email protected]

                                          Hah exactly 😄

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                                          Happy cake day

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