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What people miss about Steam Deck's "loss" to Nintendo

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    There’s not a reason to fight most enemies in most video games to be honest.

    Hmmmm... that's a thinker.

    In the older zeldas, you didn't especially need to fight stuff on the overworld. I'd usually just run by, or kill the ones that were in my way.

    In most FromSoft games, you can run past enemies but that can quickly spiral out of control. Killing them gives you time to explore safely, on top of the XP rewarded.

    In shooters like Doom, you could probably run past most enemies, but they'll keep attacking. Clearing them makes you safer.

    Monster hunter it's the whole point of the game.

    What games are you thinking of where fighting is pointless? I don't think it's "most" games.

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    I don't get this line of thinking... If you're using arguments like "you can run past them but it's safer to kill them so they stop attacking" how does that not apply to BotW/TotK? Obviously some eneny camps you ignore because they're irrelevant, it is an open world game after all, all open world games are like that (many learned the hard way why you should ignore giants in Skyrim lol). But in areas where you're trying to accomplish something, you "need" to kill them because they're attacking. That's still true.

    You can't say "I dislike the game because it doesn't give me a reason to kill enemies" while saying "in Doom you don't need to kill enemies but it's easier if you do" when BotW/TotK are both easier if you kill enemies. And I know you're not the one who said it, but you're changing the context of the conversation.

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    • ulrich@feddit.orgU [email protected]

      It's very likely that the Switch 2 will far outsell all other PC handhelds combined. And that is very much a loss. Not just to Valve, not just to PC gamers, but to everyone.

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      Not going to say why?

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        Not going to say why?

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        All the reasons listed in OP

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          It’s silly to compare Switch 2 sales to Steam Deck sales.

          The Switch 2 is a locked-down, vertically integrated platform. There are no ROG Switch 2s. No Lenovo Switch 2s. No Switch laptops or tower PCs with discrete GPUs. If you want to play Mario Kart World, your only option is to buy a Switch 2. Period.

          Steam Deck, by contrast, isn’t a platform. It’s just one hardware option—one entry point into the sprawling, open ecosystem known as PC gaming.

          Every year, around 245 million PCs are shipped globally. If even 20–25% of those are gaming-focused, that’s 49–61 million gaming PCs annually. Steam Deck is a sliver of that. So of course it won’t outsell a console that’s the only gateway to a major IP.

          But that’s exactly the point.

          PC gaming is too decentralized for any single device to dominate. The last “PC” that did was the Commodore 64, which sold 12.5–17 million units over 12 years because it was a self-contained platform, unlike modern Windows, Mac, or Linux machines.

          That the Steam Deck has sold 4 million units despite competing with every other gaming PC in existence is remarkable. It didn’t just sell—it legitimized a category. Handheld PC gaming is now a thing. That’s why Lenovo, ASUS, and MSI have followed. Even Microsoft is getting in, optimizing Windows for handhelds—something they would never have done if the Steam Deck didn't hold their feet to the fire.

          So no, Steam Deck didn’t outsell the Switch 2. It didn’t need to.

          It won by changing the landscape.

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          ...ok? Cool you're here on Lemmy, I guess, GabeN. Welcome!

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          • jackbydev@programming.devJ [email protected]

            I don't get this line of thinking... If you're using arguments like "you can run past them but it's safer to kill them so they stop attacking" how does that not apply to BotW/TotK? Obviously some eneny camps you ignore because they're irrelevant, it is an open world game after all, all open world games are like that (many learned the hard way why you should ignore giants in Skyrim lol). But in areas where you're trying to accomplish something, you "need" to kill them because they're attacking. That's still true.

            You can't say "I dislike the game because it doesn't give me a reason to kill enemies" while saying "in Doom you don't need to kill enemies but it's easier if you do" when BotW/TotK are both easier if you kill enemies. And I know you're not the one who said it, but you're changing the context of the conversation.

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            I was hoping you would explain what you meant by "There’s not a reason to fight most enemies in most video games to be honest". I don't think that's a true statement. I think most games do give reasons to fight enemies.

            I haven't played enough BotW to really weigh in on it, specifically.

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              It's very likely that the Switch 2 will far outsell all other PC handhelds combined. And that is very much a loss. Not just to Valve, not just to PC gamers, but to everyone.

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              You must lived an incredibly charmed and comfortable life.

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                You must lived an incredibly charmed and comfortable life.

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                ...well that's an interesting (bad) presumption.

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                • ulrich@feddit.orgU [email protected]

                  ...well that's an interesting (bad) presumption.

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                  Did I miss a sarcasm tag, or are you seriously this histrionic about the biggest and one of the oldest names in video games outselling a niche product? Because it doesn't matter to almost anyone, even Valve. Multiple things/people can find success at the same time. It's not zero sum.

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                  • edg@lemmy.worldE [email protected]

                    Did I miss a sarcasm tag, or are you seriously this histrionic about the biggest and one of the oldest names in video games outselling a niche product? Because it doesn't matter to almost anyone, even Valve. Multiple things/people can find success at the same time. It's not zero sum.

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                    I honestly don't even know what you're trying to say.

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                      There’s not a reason to fight most enemies in most video games to be honest.

                      Hmmmm... that's a thinker.

                      In the older zeldas, you didn't especially need to fight stuff on the overworld. I'd usually just run by, or kill the ones that were in my way.

                      In most FromSoft games, you can run past enemies but that can quickly spiral out of control. Killing them gives you time to explore safely, on top of the XP rewarded.

                      In shooters like Doom, you could probably run past most enemies, but they'll keep attacking. Clearing them makes you safer.

                      Monster hunter it's the whole point of the game.

                      What games are you thinking of where fighting is pointless? I don't think it's "most" games.

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                      Ah, I see you haven't played undertale yet!

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                        ...ok? Cool you're here on Lemmy, I guess, GabeN. Welcome!

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                        Tim Sweeny! Is that you!?

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                        • scotty_trees@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

                          I'll emulate Nintendo games till the day I die because fuck Nintendo and their greed.

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                          It's always morally acceptable to pirate Nintendo games.

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