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goodbye plex

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  • L [email protected]

    Assuming this is all true, sure its not great but how much does it matter?

    Most have jellyfin in a docker. My jellyfin can't only has read only accses to the media folder. Only the config folder has write access. Assuming the worst case scenario here, how much damage can than do?

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    #109

    A lot of neophyte self hosters Will try running the binary in Windows instead. Experienced self hosters will indeed use docker.

    Then out of the ones that are using docker some of them will set it up as privileged.

    And then how many of those people actually make read-only versus how many just add the path and don't think about it.

    Don't confuse your good practices with what the average person will do.

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    • M [email protected]

      honestly every explanation probably just ends at 'this is what i learned on and it works'.

      Yeah, lots of these answers basically boil down to “when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.”

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      These days the hammer is usually docker/podman/lxc containers instead of VMs though. Like, you don't need a container to run a self-contained statically-compiled binary, yet people still do it for some reason.

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      • B [email protected]

        I just got Authentik / Traefik going for Navidrome, Jellyfin is next.

        Does it play well for the mobile applications? If you use them?

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        #111

        the ldap auth works great for the apps. apps dont play well with an oidc login process. i ended up using both, oidc for web and ldap fall back for applications. made it easier for my non tech inclined users. most of the current apps also support quick connect, like the plex link process. you auth on a web browser and enter a code into the app. so it's possible to use only oidc for log in and, i believe it should be possible use css to even hide the user name and password fields.

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        • I [email protected]

          Jellyfin us easy to run, but then when you are running it it just doesn't have your files. Are they in the incorrect folder structure? Who knows

          I literally just run Kodi and it just works, I can browse my folders and watch stuff

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          this was the dealbreaker for me. the demand for specific file and directory naming schemes with no default indexer seems deranged.

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          • father_redbeard@lemmy.mlF [email protected]

            Thanks for the suggestions. I'll try them out. One thing that I hate is critical for me is integration with Android auto. It's the last Google service I can't seem to quit. Might have to give up and just roll with Bluetooth instead.

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            symfonium has been mentioned in this post before specifically for android auto. i had the same hang up with apple car play. i didn't use most of the plexamp fancy features. i just wanted it to play music and be easy to use when driving. manet finally came along for ios. though i'm still hoping one of the open source apps adds the functionality later.

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            • M [email protected]

              Unrelated but why a full VM for Linux stuff, lxc is much more efficient

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              I can backup an entire VM snapshot very quickly and then restore it in a matter of minutes. Everything from the system files, database, Jellyfin version and configs, etc. All easily backed up and restored in an easy to manage bundle.

              A container is not as easy to manage in the same way.

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              • M [email protected]

                after almost 15yrs my plex server is no more. jellyfin behind nginx with authentik is running very nicely.

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                I just wanna get rid of Plex so bad but jellyfin isn't going to work for my grandma....

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                • C [email protected]

                  I can backup an entire VM snapshot very quickly and then restore it in a matter of minutes. Everything from the system files, database, Jellyfin version and configs, etc. All easily backed up and restored in an easy to manage bundle.

                  A container is not as easy to manage in the same way.

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                  you can use commit, save/load, import/export for the same thing as VM snapshots

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                    I’ve heard jellyfin has a lot of security issues

                    The biggest known stuff I saw on their GitHub is that a number of the exposed service URLs under the hood don't require auth. So, it's open-source with known requirements, you can tell easily from the outside that it's running, and you can cause it to activate a LOT of packages without logging in. That's a zero-day in any package that can be passed a payload away from disaster.

                    AS far as TVOS, I'm kinda surprised swiftfin doesn't service you.

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                    swiftfin is mostly there but doesn’t support media segments, which is a deal breaker for me

                    really unfortunate since jellyfin media segments is a much better implementation of the concept than plex

                    i’m watching the swiftfin issue for when it gets added and i’ll be all over compiling and testing it

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                    • M [email protected]

                      https://github.com/jellyfin/Swiftfin is available for tvOS. works great for me with one bug. since i have homepods connected to one of my apple tv's as it's speakers. i had to change the setting to use the native video player instead of vlc to avoid and audio delay bug. that cost me the auto play next episode function. i though not auto playing the next episode would annoy me, but it's turned out to not be a issue at all. but infuse doesn't include that bug if you want both homepod tv speakers and auto play next episode with jellyfin. as for security, since jellyfin is more modifiable it has a lot more room for misconfiguration for sure. plex had plenty of it's own security issues, we just only heard about them when some security blogger discovered it.

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                      misconfiguration here i think is a dangerous way to phrase it… it implies that there is a secure way to run jellyfin on its own. jellyfin, by itself, should never be exposed to the www. it is, no matter the configuration, insecure. to run jellyfin on the www you must put a VPN or other reverse proxy with auth over the top of it

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                      • surp@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

                        I just wanna get rid of Plex so bad but jellyfin isn't going to work for my grandma....

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                        Why? It's been much easier for me

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                        • candyman337@lemmy.worldC [email protected]

                          Idk man there's a music player

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                          So, no.

                          Got it. 🙂

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                            So, no.

                            Got it. 🙂

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                            I don't know what it has, I've never used it, I just know it exists, I assumed you meant music player

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                            • B [email protected]

                              Why? It's been much easier for me

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                              Grandma? Pls send money.

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                              • M [email protected]

                                after almost 15yrs my plex server is no more. jellyfin behind nginx with authentik is running very nicely.

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                                Congrats. I'm super particular about covers and naming and the conversion of file names that Plex needed to jellyfin is intensive.

                                I finally got got JF up and running but still working on adding edition names to each item that is special. I really wish there was an editions field so it wasn't a manual title update. At least I can lock the field afterwards.

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                                • surp@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

                                  I just wanna get rid of Plex so bad but jellyfin isn't going to work for my grandma....

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                                  I understand. I have converted fully to JF which required people to get onn players, and tunnel into my network and it was a lot of work on my end too.

                                  Do what works for you and them.

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                                  • pupbiru@aussie.zoneP [email protected]

                                    you can use commit, save/load, import/export for the same thing as VM snapshots

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                                    It's not the same. You then need to manage volumes separately from images, or if you're mounting a host folder for the Jellyfin files then you have to manage those separately via the host.

                                    Container images are supposed to be stateless. So then if you're only banking up the volumes, then you need to somehow track which Jellyfin version it's tied to, in case you run into any issues.

                                    A VM is literally all of that but in a much more complete package.

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                                      after almost 15yrs my plex server is no more. jellyfin behind nginx with authentik is running very nicely.

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                                      I am still using Kodi. It is feeling a bit long in the tooth in current year, but I can’t complain. I tried Plex because chromecasting is a feature I would love. Sadly it didn’t support the ISOs of my 1:1 rips. Maybe it does now (I stopped waiting for them years ago). As for Jellyfin, they seem to have an anti-ISO stance. One of the devs seemingly (or someone claiming to be a contributor) said I should convert all my media to a more modern format and make my own menus because it would be fun. Oh well, Kodi it is.

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                                      • father_redbeard@lemmy.mlF [email protected]

                                        I want to leave too, but I really like PlexAmp for my music streaming. And no, Finamp doesn't work nearly as well or look as nice.

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                                        PlexAmp is so good. Nothing else comes close.

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                                        • C [email protected]

                                          I can backup an entire VM snapshot very quickly and then restore it in a matter of minutes. Everything from the system files, database, Jellyfin version and configs, etc. All easily backed up and restored in an easy to manage bundle.

                                          A container is not as easy to manage in the same way.

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                                          How not?

                                          If a lxc container is in a btrfs subvolume or in a zfs dataset (those are created easily like a directory, it's not a partition), you can do a full 1:1 copy in less than one second via a snapshot, keeping all the system files, database, version and configs

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