Is there any good decentralized cloud storage for personal backups as a self-hoster?
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I’m thinking of using Storj because I’d like a trustless solution. Are there any other good alternatives in the decentralized or Web3 space?
wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 00:26 last edited by trumpetx@programming.dev 6 May 2025, 20:30Don't use storj. I used to recommend them, but they have instituted a $5 minimum charge to have an account. The tl;dr is that they are interested in B2B, not individuals.
I've moved over to Tigris.
Announcement:
https://forum.storj.io/t/new-minimum-usage-fee-starting-july-1/30057/1Here's a follow up to the drama:
https://forum.storj.io/t/a-follow-up-on-the-new-minimum-usage-fee-and-a-request-for-feedback/30089Hit up the /r/storj for more drama if you dare to look at Reddit again :puke:
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Siacoin.
wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 00:31 last edited byI really wanted sia to take off. I wouldn't trust it yet though.
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They're saying that torrents are a form of decentralized cloud storage, not that torrents would be a viable means of decentralizing your own personal backups.
wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 00:58 last edited byof course they didn't say that, but the request for such tools was in the title
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Don't use storj. I used to recommend them, but they have instituted a $5 minimum charge to have an account. The tl;dr is that they are interested in B2B, not individuals.
I've moved over to Tigris.
Announcement:
https://forum.storj.io/t/new-minimum-usage-fee-starting-july-1/30057/1Here's a follow up to the drama:
https://forum.storj.io/t/a-follow-up-on-the-new-minimum-usage-fee-and-a-request-for-feedback/30089Hit up the /r/storj for more drama if you dare to look at Reddit again :puke:
wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 05:51 last edited byOh, that's disappointing. I was thinking of eventually using Storj as a second s3 endpoint for backups in addition to Backblaze.
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That is not what that term generally means. Somebody COULD be running their own cloud platform, but if you're speaking to a large group of people and you say "Cloud deployed", they understand that to be deployed to a Cloud Provider on a secured platform and location (AWS, Google, Azure...etc).
We don't say "cloud" in engineering anywhere without meaning this. We may refer to a non-colocated deployment of something as "edge" or "off-site", but never "cloud". There isn't a single engineer on this planet who would ever confuse "deployed to cloud" to mean somebody's basement.
wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 06:14 last edited byThe name cloud comes from depiction of "somewhere on the internet" in network diagrams. I don't know what corporate environment you're in but you're using the term incorrectly.
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I’m thinking of using Storj because I’d like a trustless solution. Are there any other good alternatives in the decentralized or Web3 space?
wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 06:56 last edited byNot sure this is what you are looking for, but syncthing is for self-hosting and it's Peer-2-Peer. I use it to synchronize my important documents and photos across my devices, it has options for encryption and file versioning.
Syncthing is the 3 in my 3-2-1 backup strategy. It enables me to maintain 3 copies of my files: desktop, phone, NAS
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I really wanted sia to take off. I wouldn't trust it yet though.
wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 07:48 last edited byI have used it before and it worked just fine. Just don’t use it for PeerTube
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I’m thinking of using Storj because I’d like a trustless solution. Are there any other good alternatives in the decentralized or Web3 space?
wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 08:20 last edited byI recently started a "backup ring" with my buddies who have their own servers too. It's just folders synced over sync thing, each has their own folder, and we put stuff there that we want to access even in case everything I own burns out. Works pretty well so far.
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Don't forget to encrypt your backups before sending them, just in case... Better be safe than sorry
wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 08:21 last edited byProblem is you need a way to decrypt that shit with memory loss and a burned down house.
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The name cloud comes from depiction of "somewhere on the internet" in network diagrams. I don't know what corporate environment you're in but you're using the term incorrectly.
wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 09:07 last edited byLol, okay, bud. Not only are you absolutely wrong and seem to have no professional experience with this whatsoever: search engines, engineering blogs, Wikipedia, history, and every other known source of truth on this disagree with you, yet here you are arguing anyway. Amazing.
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wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 09:07 last edited by
I meant that 'cloud' refers to systems accessed over the Internet, not necessarily centralized, but I also associate the term with centralized stuff so I'm not totally sure.
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Siacoin.
wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 09:27 last edited byThanks for your advice! I'm interested in trying Siacoin. Was it expensive?
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Thanks for your advice! I'm interested in trying Siacoin. Was it expensive?
wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 09:35 last edited byYou can see the current median price here: https://siascan.com/
The storage providers set their own prices and the renters set how much they want to pay.
Just storing data is very cheap at $1.51/TB.
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Lol, okay, bud. Not only are you absolutely wrong and seem to have no professional experience with this whatsoever: search engines, engineering blogs, Wikipedia, history, and every other known source of truth on this disagree with you, yet here you are arguing anyway. Amazing.
wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 09:41 last edited byThanks for the Wikipedia article. Can you quote or paraphrase the first sentence?
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Filecoin showed promise as a nearly free option. I used to be a storage provider. Met a lot of other storage providers at conventions. The people involved were pretty alright. I haven't interacted with the community in a few years though. Biggest problem I saw back then was a lack of a user friendly means of storing and retrieval. That might have changed now.
Whatever option you pick please make sure you encrypt your data before you send it off.
wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 09:51 last edited byThanks for sharing! I'm looking into Filecoin and I'll be sure to encrypt before uploading.
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Don't use storj. I used to recommend them, but they have instituted a $5 minimum charge to have an account. The tl;dr is that they are interested in B2B, not individuals.
I've moved over to Tigris.
Announcement:
https://forum.storj.io/t/new-minimum-usage-fee-starting-july-1/30057/1Here's a follow up to the drama:
https://forum.storj.io/t/a-follow-up-on-the-new-minimum-usage-fee-and-a-request-for-feedback/30089Hit up the /r/storj for more drama if you dare to look at Reddit again :puke:
wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 10:53 last edited byWhy did you choose Tigris over the cheaper B2?
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Problem is you need a way to decrypt that shit with memory loss and a burned down house.
wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 12:05 last edited byYou can encrypt using a memorable password you can remember.
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"Cloud" infers centralized consolidation of resources in a datacenter. A PaaS, for example.
"Decentralized" infers any number of running instances of something that are not tied to any specific vendor, infrastructure, or location.
Cloud can be distributed, but not decentralized since the underlying controls of the infrastructure are themselves centralized.
wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 12:36 last edited byI had the impression cloud was about the opposite - detaching your server software from physical machines you manage, instead paying a company to provide more abstracted services, with the ideal being high scalability by having images that can be deployed en masse independent of the specifics of where they're hosted and on what hardware. Pay for "storage", instead of renting a machine with specific hardware and software, for example.
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Why did you choose Tigris over the cheaper B2?
wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 12:51 last edited byI'm doing the archive tier which is cheaper than B2
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That is not what that term generally means. Somebody COULD be running their own cloud platform, but if you're speaking to a large group of people and you say "Cloud deployed", they understand that to be deployed to a Cloud Provider on a secured platform and location (AWS, Google, Azure...etc).
We don't say "cloud" in engineering anywhere without meaning this. We may refer to a non-colocated deployment of something as "edge" or "off-site", but never "cloud". There isn't a single engineer on this planet who would ever confuse "deployed to cloud" to mean somebody's basement.
wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 13:52 last edited byI've heard of some blockchain based systems referred to as decentralized cloud before (including stuff like Sia and Storj, which I guess is what OP wants). I haven't looked into them that much, but IIUC they push most (all?) controls and so on to the edge. I'm not sure I'd use them though since the networks aren't super large.