Is there any good decentralized cloud storage for personal backups as a self-hoster?
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Eh, sure OP could do that. Does seem a bit over the top for OP to pursue the most complicated backup solution possible
Maybe as a strange experiment to see how it goes, not as a trusted backup solution. (like you said not for critical data)IPFS would also require more bandwidth vs just about any other solution since it has to constantly talk to other IPFS nodes. And more finicky, last I used IPFS the client would run into memory leaks and other weirdness requiring restarts every now and then (hopefully it's more stable for long-term runs nowadays).
wrote on 5 Jun 2025, 21:25 last edited byWell, they said they wanted decentralized, and decentralization comes w/ caveats. I'm just providing options.
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"personal" and "trustless" seem sort of at odds here. you want personal data, so you want personal storage.
what I recommend, if you have the time and energy, is to find another self-hoster you trust and be "backup buddies" with them. set up remote file storage on both your networks and send your backups to the other person's server.
if you can't find another self-hoster, then find a friend or family member you trust and mail them your backups on a physical disk.
wrote on 5 Jun 2025, 21:37 last edited byDon't forget to encrypt your backups before sending them, just in case... Better be safe than sorry
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If you set up something like Garage with borg with a bunch of other people you could create a network where you essentially swap hard drive space to ensure you’re all backed up.
But I think Garage assumes very high trust with your fellow hosts, so this doesn’t scale beyond direct social connections.
wrote on 5 Jun 2025, 21:40 last edited byGot a link for that? Searching for "garage backup storage" doesn't really get me anywhere...
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Got a link for that? Searching for "garage backup storage" doesn't really get me anywhere...
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I’m thinking of using Storj because I’d like a trustless solution. Are there any other good alternatives in the decentralized or Web3 space?
wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 00:26 last edited by trumpetx@programming.dev 6 May 2025, 20:30Don't use storj. I used to recommend them, but they have instituted a $5 minimum charge to have an account. The tl;dr is that they are interested in B2B, not individuals.
I've moved over to Tigris.
Announcement:
https://forum.storj.io/t/new-minimum-usage-fee-starting-july-1/30057/1Here's a follow up to the drama:
https://forum.storj.io/t/a-follow-up-on-the-new-minimum-usage-fee-and-a-request-for-feedback/30089Hit up the /r/storj for more drama if you dare to look at Reddit again :puke:
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Siacoin.
wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 00:31 last edited byI really wanted sia to take off. I wouldn't trust it yet though.
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They're saying that torrents are a form of decentralized cloud storage, not that torrents would be a viable means of decentralizing your own personal backups.
wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 00:58 last edited byof course they didn't say that, but the request for such tools was in the title
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Don't use storj. I used to recommend them, but they have instituted a $5 minimum charge to have an account. The tl;dr is that they are interested in B2B, not individuals.
I've moved over to Tigris.
Announcement:
https://forum.storj.io/t/new-minimum-usage-fee-starting-july-1/30057/1Here's a follow up to the drama:
https://forum.storj.io/t/a-follow-up-on-the-new-minimum-usage-fee-and-a-request-for-feedback/30089Hit up the /r/storj for more drama if you dare to look at Reddit again :puke:
wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 05:51 last edited byOh, that's disappointing. I was thinking of eventually using Storj as a second s3 endpoint for backups in addition to Backblaze.
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That is not what that term generally means. Somebody COULD be running their own cloud platform, but if you're speaking to a large group of people and you say "Cloud deployed", they understand that to be deployed to a Cloud Provider on a secured platform and location (AWS, Google, Azure...etc).
We don't say "cloud" in engineering anywhere without meaning this. We may refer to a non-colocated deployment of something as "edge" or "off-site", but never "cloud". There isn't a single engineer on this planet who would ever confuse "deployed to cloud" to mean somebody's basement.
wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 06:14 last edited byThe name cloud comes from depiction of "somewhere on the internet" in network diagrams. I don't know what corporate environment you're in but you're using the term incorrectly.
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I’m thinking of using Storj because I’d like a trustless solution. Are there any other good alternatives in the decentralized or Web3 space?
wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 06:56 last edited byNot sure this is what you are looking for, but syncthing is for self-hosting and it's Peer-2-Peer. I use it to synchronize my important documents and photos across my devices, it has options for encryption and file versioning.
Syncthing is the 3 in my 3-2-1 backup strategy. It enables me to maintain 3 copies of my files: desktop, phone, NAS
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I really wanted sia to take off. I wouldn't trust it yet though.
wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 07:48 last edited byI have used it before and it worked just fine. Just don’t use it for PeerTube
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I’m thinking of using Storj because I’d like a trustless solution. Are there any other good alternatives in the decentralized or Web3 space?
wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 08:20 last edited byI recently started a "backup ring" with my buddies who have their own servers too. It's just folders synced over sync thing, each has their own folder, and we put stuff there that we want to access even in case everything I own burns out. Works pretty well so far.
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Don't forget to encrypt your backups before sending them, just in case... Better be safe than sorry
wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 08:21 last edited byProblem is you need a way to decrypt that shit with memory loss and a burned down house.
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The name cloud comes from depiction of "somewhere on the internet" in network diagrams. I don't know what corporate environment you're in but you're using the term incorrectly.
wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 09:07 last edited byLol, okay, bud. Not only are you absolutely wrong and seem to have no professional experience with this whatsoever: search engines, engineering blogs, Wikipedia, history, and every other known source of truth on this disagree with you, yet here you are arguing anyway. Amazing.
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wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 09:07 last edited by
I meant that 'cloud' refers to systems accessed over the Internet, not necessarily centralized, but I also associate the term with centralized stuff so I'm not totally sure.
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Siacoin.
wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 09:27 last edited byThanks for your advice! I'm interested in trying Siacoin. Was it expensive?
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Thanks for your advice! I'm interested in trying Siacoin. Was it expensive?
wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 09:35 last edited byYou can see the current median price here: https://siascan.com/
The storage providers set their own prices and the renters set how much they want to pay.
Just storing data is very cheap at $1.51/TB.
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Lol, okay, bud. Not only are you absolutely wrong and seem to have no professional experience with this whatsoever: search engines, engineering blogs, Wikipedia, history, and every other known source of truth on this disagree with you, yet here you are arguing anyway. Amazing.
wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 09:41 last edited byThanks for the Wikipedia article. Can you quote or paraphrase the first sentence?
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Filecoin showed promise as a nearly free option. I used to be a storage provider. Met a lot of other storage providers at conventions. The people involved were pretty alright. I haven't interacted with the community in a few years though. Biggest problem I saw back then was a lack of a user friendly means of storing and retrieval. That might have changed now.
Whatever option you pick please make sure you encrypt your data before you send it off.
wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 09:51 last edited byThanks for sharing! I'm looking into Filecoin and I'll be sure to encrypt before uploading.
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Don't use storj. I used to recommend them, but they have instituted a $5 minimum charge to have an account. The tl;dr is that they are interested in B2B, not individuals.
I've moved over to Tigris.
Announcement:
https://forum.storj.io/t/new-minimum-usage-fee-starting-july-1/30057/1Here's a follow up to the drama:
https://forum.storj.io/t/a-follow-up-on-the-new-minimum-usage-fee-and-a-request-for-feedback/30089Hit up the /r/storj for more drama if you dare to look at Reddit again :puke:
wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 10:53 last edited byWhy did you choose Tigris over the cheaper B2?