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What games are just objective masterpieces?

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  • kolanaki@pawb.socialK [email protected]

    A masterpiece could just refer to a piece of art from a master. It could refer to the quality of an engineering project, or the skill involved in the work's creation. Are these not objective qualities?

    I don't really think the Mona Lisa is a great image, personally (it's a boring portrait), but I can still recognize that it was masterfully done.

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    This gets trickier with games, because an experienced game designer can, for instance, look at the UI design and graphics programming of a Ubisoft open world slopfest, and say those parts were masterfully done (even if the overall game isn't so fun). And, even the best of video games have bits of them that weren't as good.

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      Going to have to disagree, especially when it comes to storytelling

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      What about it ?

      The writing, the characters, the dialogues, the story, everything is new and perfectly done. It is pure art and something like 98% of the 3+ millions players would disagree with you.

      But you must be part of that 2%, meh to each their own šŸ¤·šŸ»ā€ā™‚ļø

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      • tal@lemmy.todayT [email protected]

        Just out of curiosity, listing the games mentioned here as of this writing by their date of release:

        Release Date Game
        1980 Pac-Man
        1985 The Oregon Trail (assuming widely-played 1985 game)
        1985 Tetris
        1986 Kid Icarus
        1988 Mega Man 2
        1988 Super Mario Brothers 3
        1988 The Guardian Legend
        1989 Abadox: The Deadly Inner War
        1989 Ironsword: Wizards & Warriors II
        1989 Monster Party
        1989 Populous
        1989 Sweet Home
        1990 Dr. Mario
        1990 Final Fantasy III
        1991 Battletoads (assuming original game)
        1991 The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
        1992 Ecco the Dolphin
        1992 Sonic the Hedgehog 2
        1992 Super Mario Kart
        1993 Dinopark Tycoon
        1993 Doom
        1993 Gauntlet IV
        1993 Lufia & the Fortress of Doom (assuming first game)
        1993 Mega Man X
        1994 Donkey Kong Country
        1994 Earthworm Jim
        1994 Sonic & Knuckles
        1994 Sonic the Hedgehog 3
        1994 Super Metroid
        1994 The Lion King
        1995 Chrono Trigger
        1997 Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
        1997 Diablo
        1997 Final Fantasy VII
        1997 Mega Man X4
        1997 Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee
        1997 Snowboard Kids
        1998 Banjo-Kazooie
        1998 Metal Gear Solid
        1998 Sonic Adventure
        1998 South Park
        1998 StarCraft: Brood War
        1999 Age of Empires II: The Age of Kings
        1999 Heroes of Might and Magic III
        1999 Planescape: Torment
        1999 Quake III Arena
        1999 RollerCoaster Tycoon
        1999 Silent Hill
        1999 Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike
        1999 Sven Co-op
        1999 Unreal Tournament
        1999 Worms Armageddon
        2000 Command & Conquer: Red Alert 2
        2000 Diablo II
        2000 Resident Evil CODE: Veronica
        2000 SimCity 3000 Unlimited
        2000 Tony Hawk Pro Skater 2
        2001 Ace Combat 04: Shattered Skies
        2001 Final Fantasy X
        2001 Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty
        2001 Shenmue II
        2002 The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
        2003 Beyond Good & Evil
        2003 Need for Speed: Underground
        2003 Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
        2004 Ace Combat 5: The Unsung War
        2004 Champions of Norrath
        2004 Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
        2004 Gran Turismo 4
        2004 Half Life 2
        2004 Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
        2004 The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap
        2005 Champions: Return to Arms
        2005 Psychonauts
        2005 Shadow of the Colossus
        2006 Ace Combat Zero: The Belkan War
        2006 Ōkami
        2007 BioShock
        2007 Dark Souls
        2007 Mass Effect
        2007 Portal
        2008 Clonk Rage
        2008 Left 4 Dead
        2008 Mirror's Edge
        2008 Super Smash Bros. Brawl
        2009 Dragon Age: Origins
        2009 Forza Motorsport 3
        2009 Killing Floor
        2009 Left 4 Dead 2
        2009 Plants vs. Zombies
        2009 Steins;Gate
        2010 Battlefield: Bad Company 2
        2010 Limbo
        2010 Nier
        2010 Planet Minigolf
        2011 Bastion
        2011 Portal 2
        2011 Terraria
        2011 The Binding of Isaac
        2012 Hotline Miami
        2012 The House in Fata Morgana
        2012 Tokyo Jungle
        2014 Forza Horizon 2
        2014 LISA: The Painful
        2015 Bloodborne
        2015 Ori and the Blind Forest
        2015 The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
        2015 Undertale
        2016 Doom (2016)
        2016 Kirby: Planet Robobot
        2016 Stardew Valley
        2016 The Witness
        2016 Titanfall 2
        2016 Tyranny
        2017 Little Nightmares
        2017 Mario Kart 8 Deluxe (for Deluxe version)
        2017 Nier: Automata
        2017 Night in the Woods
        2017 Super Mario Odyssey
        2017 The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
        2018 Celeste
        2018 Donut County
        2018 Return of the Obra Dinn
        2018 Rimworld
        2018 Subnautica
        2019 A Short Hike
        2019 Disco Elysium
        2019 Outer Wilds
        2019 Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice
        2019 Slay the Spire
        2020 Cyberpunk 2077
        2020 Factorio
        2020 Hades
        2021 Everhood: An Ineffable Tale of the Inexpressible Divine Moments of Truth
        2021 Psychonauts 2
        2022 Elden Ring
        2022 Lil Gator Game
        2023 Baldur's Gate 3
        2023 Dave the Diver
        2024 Balatro
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        Has seriously no one mentioned The Last of Us? That’s crazy.

        I think the second should be included.

        As well as red dead redemption 2.

        The storytelling is just top tier. Better than literally almost all media made today.

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          For me it's Journey. That game gave me an emotional experience I've never had in any other.

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          Absolute embodiment of less is more. Controls are simple but intuitive, you can beat it in one session, there's no major payoff in the end. It's just a game about the journey and the friends made along the way.

          I still remember having my mind blown that the other figure I met after the tutorial level was not just an NPC, when I noticed their movements were too deliberate and they were solving some puzzles for me.

          I made it all the way to the end of the game with that person. Never knew who they even were until their name showed up at the very end. What a cathartic experience. I've also never been able to achieve anything similar since then.

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            Antichamber

            and maybe Portal

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              Bastion, Hades, Disco Elysium, Planescape: Torment, and Tyranny (even if the last act is rushed in the last two) come to mind for me

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              Bastion is amazing.

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                A short hike! Very pleased to see this one mentioned. What a game. The best kids game IMO

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                  I didn’t know Chris Plante is on Lemmy.

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                  Quick, go through their post history and see if they’ve mentioned any Neil Breen films

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                    ENA: Dream BBQ

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                      objective

                      MEDIA APPRECIATION DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY, GOOD NIGHT!

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                        It actually is directly tied to the movies. The character who first gives Furiosa a chassis to build from isn't quite as hunchbacked as in the game but he is credited as "Chumbucket!"

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                        No shit that’s awesome!

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                          I'm going to take this as "games that I never see anyone question their quality." (I don't even like all these games myself)

                          • Sonic 3 & Knuckles

                          • Kirby Planet Robobot

                          • Doom 2016

                          • Street Fighter III: Third Strike

                          • Pac-Man

                          • Balatro

                          • Steins;Gate

                          • The House in Fata Morgana

                          • Castlevania: Symphony of the Night

                          • Gran Turismo 4

                          • Mario Kart 8 Deluxe

                          • Mega Man X

                          • Mega Man X4

                          • Super Mario Bros. 3

                          • Hollow Knight

                          • Bloodborne

                          • Elden Ring

                          • Balder's Gate 3

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                          I am here to question Elden Ring's quality

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                            Outer wilds

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                              Clair Obscur has been the best game I've played in a long while, absolute masterpiece

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                                Mega Man X

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                                  For me it's Journey. That game gave me an emotional experience I've never had in any other.

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                                  I added the buddy I ran through the game with and he's still on my friend list decade or so later, amazing experience

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                                    Doom (93) I guess ?

                                    Also HL and HL2

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                                      I'm going to take this as "games that I never see anyone question their quality." (I don't even like all these games myself)

                                      • Sonic 3 & Knuckles

                                      • Kirby Planet Robobot

                                      • Doom 2016

                                      • Street Fighter III: Third Strike

                                      • Pac-Man

                                      • Balatro

                                      • Steins;Gate

                                      • The House in Fata Morgana

                                      • Castlevania: Symphony of the Night

                                      • Gran Turismo 4

                                      • Mario Kart 8 Deluxe

                                      • Mega Man X

                                      • Mega Man X4

                                      • Super Mario Bros. 3

                                      • Hollow Knight

                                      • Bloodborne

                                      • Elden Ring

                                      • Balder's Gate 3

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                                      Steins;Gate my man cultured AF

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                                        Super Hexagon

                                        It's about as simple as a 'modern' game can be (I read there was even a port of it to Commodore 64.) but it's a finely tuned machine. When you lose - and you will, a lot - it feels like mostly your own fault and not the game's.

                                        The difficulty levels very accurately start at Hard for the easiest one. There are 6 total levels, the next 5 difficulties are Harder, Hardest, Hardester, Hardestest, and Hardestestest.

                                        With much time and luck I can beat the first level (unlocking the 4th). On a lost save I had unlocked the 5th level by completing the 2nd, and have only ever seen the 6th in videos from other people. I would have to beat the 3rd to see it myself, and that's not happening.

                                        The criteria to beat a level is "last for 60 seconds".

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                                          The Spyro the dragon trilogy for me is just an absolute masterpiece.

                                          Final Fantasy VII, IX and X are three master pieces

                                          Metroid prime and fusion

                                          Fatal Frame trilogy on the PlayStation 2, Forbidden Siren, Silent Hill 2, Resident Evil 2 are amongst the best of the best

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