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    "Masterpiece" comes from the art world, and there are absolutely works everyone seems to agree qualify, such as:

    • The Mona Lisa
    • David statue
    • David Copperfield by Charles Dickens

    It's usually the best work by an artist, or at least the one that got them their recognition, and it stands out among other works in the field.

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    If it's the one that got them their recognition, it's little more than arbitrary; luck, place and time; things that don't have to do with how good the work is. Some "masterpieces" weren't considered such until they were exposed to people over and over again, like The Mona Lisa at the Louvre or It's a Wonderful Life on TBS. I'd have a hard time calling a number of games masterpieces that I didn't care for, because this isn't objective.

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      MAD MAX from 2015, while not tied directly to the new movies it scratches an itch I haven’t found in any other game. It’s dark and bleak and brutal. The combat on foot and behind the wheel are both incredible. Nothing quite like being in the middle of ripping a convoy 7 new assholes and being hit with a dust storm. It can be repetitive if you want to complete everything but BY THE GODS OF VALHALLA is it a fucking blast.

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        Shadow of the Colossus

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        We actually got two masterpieces out of this one title. The remake was an absolute perfect remake.

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          I’d take SMW over SMB3, but I can’t really fault anything else in this list! 😅

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          I like SMW better myself (actually not a single franchise entry on that list is my favorite in the series) but it doesn't have the kind of unanimous praise SMB3 does.

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            Braid. Surprised that it wasn't mentioned yet

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              For me it's Journey. That game gave me an emotional experience I've never had in any other.

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                Just out of curiosity, listing the games mentioned here as of this writing by their date of release:

                Release Date Game
                1980 Pac-Man
                1985 The Oregon Trail (assuming widely-played 1985 game)
                1985 Tetris
                1986 Kid Icarus
                1988 Mega Man 2
                1988 Super Mario Brothers 3
                1988 The Guardian Legend
                1989 Abadox: The Deadly Inner War
                1989 Ironsword: Wizards & Warriors II
                1989 Monster Party
                1989 Populous
                1989 Sweet Home
                1990 Dr. Mario
                1990 Final Fantasy III
                1991 Battletoads (assuming original game)
                1991 The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
                1992 Ecco the Dolphin
                1992 Sonic the Hedgehog 2
                1992 Super Mario Kart
                1993 Dinopark Tycoon
                1993 Doom
                1993 Gauntlet IV
                1993 Lufia & the Fortress of Doom (assuming first game)
                1993 Mega Man X
                1994 Donkey Kong Country
                1994 Earthworm Jim
                1994 Sonic & Knuckles
                1994 Sonic the Hedgehog 3
                1994 Super Metroid
                1994 The Lion King
                1995 Chrono Trigger
                1997 Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
                1997 Diablo
                1997 Final Fantasy VII
                1997 Mega Man X4
                1997 Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee
                1997 Snowboard Kids
                1998 Banjo-Kazooie
                1998 Metal Gear Solid
                1998 Sonic Adventure
                1998 South Park
                1998 StarCraft: Brood War
                1999 Age of Empires II: The Age of Kings
                1999 Heroes of Might and Magic III
                1999 Planescape: Torment
                1999 Quake III Arena
                1999 RollerCoaster Tycoon
                1999 Silent Hill
                1999 Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike
                1999 Sven Co-op
                1999 Unreal Tournament
                1999 Worms Armageddon
                2000 Command & Conquer: Red Alert 2
                2000 Diablo II
                2000 Resident Evil CODE: Veronica
                2000 SimCity 3000 Unlimited
                2000 Tony Hawk Pro Skater 2
                2001 Ace Combat 04: Shattered Skies
                2001 Final Fantasy X
                2001 Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty
                2001 Shenmue II
                2002 The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
                2003 Beyond Good & Evil
                2003 Need for Speed: Underground
                2003 Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
                2004 Ace Combat 5: The Unsung War
                2004 Champions of Norrath
                2004 Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
                2004 Gran Turismo 4
                2004 Half Life 2
                2004 Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
                2004 The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap
                2005 Champions: Return to Arms
                2005 Psychonauts
                2005 Shadow of the Colossus
                2006 Ace Combat Zero: The Belkan War
                2006 Ōkami
                2007 BioShock
                2007 Dark Souls
                2007 Mass Effect
                2007 Portal
                2008 Clonk Rage
                2008 Left 4 Dead
                2008 Mirror's Edge
                2008 Super Smash Bros. Brawl
                2009 Dragon Age: Origins
                2009 Forza Motorsport 3
                2009 Killing Floor
                2009 Left 4 Dead 2
                2009 Plants vs. Zombies
                2009 Steins;Gate
                2010 Battlefield: Bad Company 2
                2010 Limbo
                2010 Nier
                2010 Planet Minigolf
                2011 Bastion
                2011 Portal 2
                2011 Terraria
                2011 The Binding of Isaac
                2012 Hotline Miami
                2012 The House in Fata Morgana
                2012 Tokyo Jungle
                2014 Forza Horizon 2
                2014 LISA: The Painful
                2015 Bloodborne
                2015 Ori and the Blind Forest
                2015 The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
                2015 Undertale
                2016 Doom (2016)
                2016 Kirby: Planet Robobot
                2016 Stardew Valley
                2016 The Witness
                2016 Titanfall 2
                2016 Tyranny
                2017 Little Nightmares
                2017 Mario Kart 8 Deluxe (for Deluxe version)
                2017 Nier: Automata
                2017 Night in the Woods
                2017 Super Mario Odyssey
                2017 The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
                2018 Celeste
                2018 Donut County
                2018 Return of the Obra Dinn
                2018 Rimworld
                2018 Subnautica
                2019 A Short Hike
                2019 Disco Elysium
                2019 Outer Wilds
                2019 Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice
                2019 Slay the Spire
                2020 Cyberpunk 2077
                2020 Factorio
                2020 Hades
                2021 Everhood: An Ineffable Tale of the Inexpressible Divine Moments of Truth
                2021 Psychonauts 2
                2022 Elden Ring
                2022 Lil Gator Game
                2023 Baldur's Gate 3
                2023 Dave the Diver
                2024 Balatro
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                  Heres a list of some favorites:

                  Imperfect perfection: Morrowind

                  Perfect perfection: Starcraft Brood War

                  Objective perfection: Plants vs Zombies

                  Subjective perfection: Knights of the Old Republic

                  Perfect for its time: Gauntlet IV

                  Perfect timeless: Sonic 2

                  Perfect for its genre: LOZ Minish Cap

                  Perfect All-in-one: Shenmue II

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                  Minish Cap seems such an underrated gem

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                    Out of recent ones, Blue Prince

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                      MAD MAX from 2015, while not tied directly to the new movies it scratches an itch I haven’t found in any other game. It’s dark and bleak and brutal. The combat on foot and behind the wheel are both incredible. Nothing quite like being in the middle of ripping a convoy 7 new assholes and being hit with a dust storm. It can be repetitive if you want to complete everything but BY THE GODS OF VALHALLA is it a fucking blast.

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                      It actually is directly tied to the movies. The character who first gives Furiosa a chassis to build from isn't quite as hunchbacked as in the game but he is credited as "Chumbucket!"

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                        For a moment I thought you were talking about the Newsmax host and I was very offended and confused, but it looks like there is another, lesser known Chris Plante in gaming journalism.

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                        And he fuckin LOVES NieR

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                        • tal@lemmy.todayT [email protected]

                          Just out of curiosity, listing the games mentioned here as of this writing by their date of release:

                          Release Date Game
                          1980 Pac-Man
                          1985 The Oregon Trail (assuming widely-played 1985 game)
                          1985 Tetris
                          1986 Kid Icarus
                          1988 Mega Man 2
                          1988 Super Mario Brothers 3
                          1988 The Guardian Legend
                          1989 Abadox: The Deadly Inner War
                          1989 Ironsword: Wizards & Warriors II
                          1989 Monster Party
                          1989 Populous
                          1989 Sweet Home
                          1990 Dr. Mario
                          1990 Final Fantasy III
                          1991 Battletoads (assuming original game)
                          1991 The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
                          1992 Ecco the Dolphin
                          1992 Sonic the Hedgehog 2
                          1992 Super Mario Kart
                          1993 Dinopark Tycoon
                          1993 Doom
                          1993 Gauntlet IV
                          1993 Lufia & the Fortress of Doom (assuming first game)
                          1993 Mega Man X
                          1994 Donkey Kong Country
                          1994 Earthworm Jim
                          1994 Sonic & Knuckles
                          1994 Sonic the Hedgehog 3
                          1994 Super Metroid
                          1994 The Lion King
                          1995 Chrono Trigger
                          1997 Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
                          1997 Diablo
                          1997 Final Fantasy VII
                          1997 Mega Man X4
                          1997 Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee
                          1997 Snowboard Kids
                          1998 Banjo-Kazooie
                          1998 Metal Gear Solid
                          1998 Sonic Adventure
                          1998 South Park
                          1998 StarCraft: Brood War
                          1999 Age of Empires II: The Age of Kings
                          1999 Heroes of Might and Magic III
                          1999 Planescape: Torment
                          1999 Quake III Arena
                          1999 RollerCoaster Tycoon
                          1999 Silent Hill
                          1999 Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike
                          1999 Sven Co-op
                          1999 Unreal Tournament
                          1999 Worms Armageddon
                          2000 Command & Conquer: Red Alert 2
                          2000 Diablo II
                          2000 Resident Evil CODE: Veronica
                          2000 SimCity 3000 Unlimited
                          2000 Tony Hawk Pro Skater 2
                          2001 Ace Combat 04: Shattered Skies
                          2001 Final Fantasy X
                          2001 Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty
                          2001 Shenmue II
                          2002 The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
                          2003 Beyond Good & Evil
                          2003 Need for Speed: Underground
                          2003 Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
                          2004 Ace Combat 5: The Unsung War
                          2004 Champions of Norrath
                          2004 Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
                          2004 Gran Turismo 4
                          2004 Half Life 2
                          2004 Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
                          2004 The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap
                          2005 Champions: Return to Arms
                          2005 Psychonauts
                          2005 Shadow of the Colossus
                          2006 Ace Combat Zero: The Belkan War
                          2006 Ōkami
                          2007 BioShock
                          2007 Dark Souls
                          2007 Mass Effect
                          2007 Portal
                          2008 Clonk Rage
                          2008 Left 4 Dead
                          2008 Mirror's Edge
                          2008 Super Smash Bros. Brawl
                          2009 Dragon Age: Origins
                          2009 Forza Motorsport 3
                          2009 Killing Floor
                          2009 Left 4 Dead 2
                          2009 Plants vs. Zombies
                          2009 Steins;Gate
                          2010 Battlefield: Bad Company 2
                          2010 Limbo
                          2010 Nier
                          2010 Planet Minigolf
                          2011 Bastion
                          2011 Portal 2
                          2011 Terraria
                          2011 The Binding of Isaac
                          2012 Hotline Miami
                          2012 The House in Fata Morgana
                          2012 Tokyo Jungle
                          2014 Forza Horizon 2
                          2014 LISA: The Painful
                          2015 Bloodborne
                          2015 Ori and the Blind Forest
                          2015 The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
                          2015 Undertale
                          2016 Doom (2016)
                          2016 Kirby: Planet Robobot
                          2016 Stardew Valley
                          2016 The Witness
                          2016 Titanfall 2
                          2016 Tyranny
                          2017 Little Nightmares
                          2017 Mario Kart 8 Deluxe (for Deluxe version)
                          2017 Nier: Automata
                          2017 Night in the Woods
                          2017 Super Mario Odyssey
                          2017 The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
                          2018 Celeste
                          2018 Donut County
                          2018 Return of the Obra Dinn
                          2018 Rimworld
                          2018 Subnautica
                          2019 A Short Hike
                          2019 Disco Elysium
                          2019 Outer Wilds
                          2019 Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice
                          2019 Slay the Spire
                          2020 Cyberpunk 2077
                          2020 Factorio
                          2020 Hades
                          2021 Everhood: An Ineffable Tale of the Inexpressible Divine Moments of Truth
                          2021 Psychonauts 2
                          2022 Elden Ring
                          2022 Lil Gator Game
                          2023 Baldur's Gate 3
                          2023 Dave the Diver
                          2024 Balatro
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                          2025: Clair Obscur Expedition 33.

                          Even if the year is not finished, this game is such a perfect work of art on so many levels that it became the new favorite to me, and to plenty other players.

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                            Left4Dead2 (also L4D1)

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                            EXCEPT....for when your computer teammate jumps in front of you while you're shooting and accosts you for it, then a second later they literally mow down a bunch of infected by shooting through you with no consequences.

                            So I have to knock it down to a 9.9/10

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                              Katamari Damacy. It has a reputation for being silly Japanese nonsense, but the gameplay is brilliant, the graphics are timeless, the soundtrack is incredible, and it has some surprising thematic depth.

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                                I don't see Goldeneye on your list.

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                                  So the gaming equivalent of ‘chasing the dragon’? That tracks!

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                                  chasing the dragon

                                  Huh. I guess it might be.

                                  Far from my first game, but my first perfect game. Yea, I guess that does track.

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                                  • tal@lemmy.todayT [email protected]

                                    Just out of curiosity, listing the games mentioned here as of this writing by their date of release:

                                    Release Date Game
                                    1980 Pac-Man
                                    1985 The Oregon Trail (assuming widely-played 1985 game)
                                    1985 Tetris
                                    1986 Kid Icarus
                                    1988 Mega Man 2
                                    1988 Super Mario Brothers 3
                                    1988 The Guardian Legend
                                    1989 Abadox: The Deadly Inner War
                                    1989 Ironsword: Wizards & Warriors II
                                    1989 Monster Party
                                    1989 Populous
                                    1989 Sweet Home
                                    1990 Dr. Mario
                                    1990 Final Fantasy III
                                    1991 Battletoads (assuming original game)
                                    1991 The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
                                    1992 Ecco the Dolphin
                                    1992 Sonic the Hedgehog 2
                                    1992 Super Mario Kart
                                    1993 Dinopark Tycoon
                                    1993 Doom
                                    1993 Gauntlet IV
                                    1993 Lufia & the Fortress of Doom (assuming first game)
                                    1993 Mega Man X
                                    1994 Donkey Kong Country
                                    1994 Earthworm Jim
                                    1994 Sonic & Knuckles
                                    1994 Sonic the Hedgehog 3
                                    1994 Super Metroid
                                    1994 The Lion King
                                    1995 Chrono Trigger
                                    1997 Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
                                    1997 Diablo
                                    1997 Final Fantasy VII
                                    1997 Mega Man X4
                                    1997 Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee
                                    1997 Snowboard Kids
                                    1998 Banjo-Kazooie
                                    1998 Metal Gear Solid
                                    1998 Sonic Adventure
                                    1998 South Park
                                    1998 StarCraft: Brood War
                                    1999 Age of Empires II: The Age of Kings
                                    1999 Heroes of Might and Magic III
                                    1999 Planescape: Torment
                                    1999 Quake III Arena
                                    1999 RollerCoaster Tycoon
                                    1999 Silent Hill
                                    1999 Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike
                                    1999 Sven Co-op
                                    1999 Unreal Tournament
                                    1999 Worms Armageddon
                                    2000 Command & Conquer: Red Alert 2
                                    2000 Diablo II
                                    2000 Resident Evil CODE: Veronica
                                    2000 SimCity 3000 Unlimited
                                    2000 Tony Hawk Pro Skater 2
                                    2001 Ace Combat 04: Shattered Skies
                                    2001 Final Fantasy X
                                    2001 Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty
                                    2001 Shenmue II
                                    2002 The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
                                    2003 Beyond Good & Evil
                                    2003 Need for Speed: Underground
                                    2003 Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
                                    2004 Ace Combat 5: The Unsung War
                                    2004 Champions of Norrath
                                    2004 Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
                                    2004 Gran Turismo 4
                                    2004 Half Life 2
                                    2004 Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
                                    2004 The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap
                                    2005 Champions: Return to Arms
                                    2005 Psychonauts
                                    2005 Shadow of the Colossus
                                    2006 Ace Combat Zero: The Belkan War
                                    2006 Ōkami
                                    2007 BioShock
                                    2007 Dark Souls
                                    2007 Mass Effect
                                    2007 Portal
                                    2008 Clonk Rage
                                    2008 Left 4 Dead
                                    2008 Mirror's Edge
                                    2008 Super Smash Bros. Brawl
                                    2009 Dragon Age: Origins
                                    2009 Forza Motorsport 3
                                    2009 Killing Floor
                                    2009 Left 4 Dead 2
                                    2009 Plants vs. Zombies
                                    2009 Steins;Gate
                                    2010 Battlefield: Bad Company 2
                                    2010 Limbo
                                    2010 Nier
                                    2010 Planet Minigolf
                                    2011 Bastion
                                    2011 Portal 2
                                    2011 Terraria
                                    2011 The Binding of Isaac
                                    2012 Hotline Miami
                                    2012 The House in Fata Morgana
                                    2012 Tokyo Jungle
                                    2014 Forza Horizon 2
                                    2014 LISA: The Painful
                                    2015 Bloodborne
                                    2015 Ori and the Blind Forest
                                    2015 The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
                                    2015 Undertale
                                    2016 Doom (2016)
                                    2016 Kirby: Planet Robobot
                                    2016 Stardew Valley
                                    2016 The Witness
                                    2016 Titanfall 2
                                    2016 Tyranny
                                    2017 Little Nightmares
                                    2017 Mario Kart 8 Deluxe (for Deluxe version)
                                    2017 Nier: Automata
                                    2017 Night in the Woods
                                    2017 Super Mario Odyssey
                                    2017 The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
                                    2018 Celeste
                                    2018 Donut County
                                    2018 Return of the Obra Dinn
                                    2018 Rimworld
                                    2018 Subnautica
                                    2019 A Short Hike
                                    2019 Disco Elysium
                                    2019 Outer Wilds
                                    2019 Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice
                                    2019 Slay the Spire
                                    2020 Cyberpunk 2077
                                    2020 Factorio
                                    2020 Hades
                                    2021 Everhood: An Ineffable Tale of the Inexpressible Divine Moments of Truth
                                    2021 Psychonauts 2
                                    2022 Elden Ring
                                    2022 Lil Gator Game
                                    2023 Baldur's Gate 3
                                    2023 Dave the Diver
                                    2024 Balatro
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                                    Tokyo Jungle, YES!

                                    A game so sadly lost to time. My partner's PS3 still has it installed, but no idea if the hard drive is still functional..

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                                      • Bloodborne
                                      • Bioshock
                                      • Hollow Knight
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                                        Holy shit somehow no one has mentioned:

                                        Nier Automata

                                        It counts as a masterpiece because of how well it blends game design, gameplay and story. I have played very few games as thoughtful, or that weaved the gameplay together into the story it was telling in such a meaningful way. I never thought once in my life that I would think philosophically about bullet hell but somehow Nier Automata has something profound to say and even manages to say it using bullet hell as a gameplay mechanic.

                                        On top of all this, it also has a lot to say about classical philosophers, their works, and honestly deeply subverts things they had to say. It asks tough questions about their thoughts and ideas, once again, through gameplay. Numerous characters are named for classical philosophers: Pascal, Jean-Paul, Simone, Engels, Immanuel... (Yoko Taro obviously has feelings about how Jean-Paul Sartre treated Simone de Beauvoir.)

                                        Further, Yoko Taro is doing something that a lot of game developers fail to manage to do: He is embracing gaming as a storytelling medium and eschewing the traditional three-act arc from film. Because gaming is not film. As Marshall McLuhan posited, "the medium is the message" and unlike other developers Taro's writing is aimed at the medium he is working in instead of leaning on the ropes and tropes of other mediums. (Referring back to above, tying the gameplay into the story, focusing on the medium)

                                        It's basically impossible to not break down into tears at the ending.

                                        Don't write it off because of the scantily clad anime women. Stay for the depth of the human condition. It is truly a masterwork in multiple respects.

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                                        Man, I wish I understood a single bit of this evaluation of the game after finishing every chapter (sorry - "Ending"). The whole thing felt mostly like a waste of time.

                                        That said, I'm a fan of Spec Ops: The Line, a game that has much the same level of division among its players. Interesting how philosophical games get that reaction.

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                                          2025: Clair Obscur Expedition 33.

                                          Even if the year is not finished, this game is such a perfect work of art on so many levels that it became the new favorite to me, and to plenty other players.

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                                          Going to have to disagree, especially when it comes to storytelling

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