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What games are just objective masterpieces?

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    2025: Clair Obscur Expedition 33.

    Even if the year is not finished, this game is such a perfect work of art on so many levels that it became the new favorite to me, and to plenty other players.

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    Going to have to disagree, especially when it comes to storytelling

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    • kolanaki@pawb.socialK [email protected]

      A masterpiece could just refer to a piece of art from a master. It could refer to the quality of an engineering project, or the skill involved in the work's creation. Are these not objective qualities?

      I don't really think the Mona Lisa is a great image, personally (it's a boring portrait), but I can still recognize that it was masterfully done.

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      This gets trickier with games, because an experienced game designer can, for instance, look at the UI design and graphics programming of a Ubisoft open world slopfest, and say those parts were masterfully done (even if the overall game isn't so fun). And, even the best of video games have bits of them that weren't as good.

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        Going to have to disagree, especially when it comes to storytelling

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        What about it ?

        The writing, the characters, the dialogues, the story, everything is new and perfectly done. It is pure art and something like 98% of the 3+ millions players would disagree with you.

        But you must be part of that 2%, meh to each their own šŸ¤·šŸ»ā€ā™‚ļø

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        • tal@lemmy.todayT [email protected]

          Just out of curiosity, listing the games mentioned here as of this writing by their date of release:

          Release Date Game
          1980 Pac-Man
          1985 The Oregon Trail (assuming widely-played 1985 game)
          1985 Tetris
          1986 Kid Icarus
          1988 Mega Man 2
          1988 Super Mario Brothers 3
          1988 The Guardian Legend
          1989 Abadox: The Deadly Inner War
          1989 Ironsword: Wizards & Warriors II
          1989 Monster Party
          1989 Populous
          1989 Sweet Home
          1990 Dr. Mario
          1990 Final Fantasy III
          1991 Battletoads (assuming original game)
          1991 The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
          1992 Ecco the Dolphin
          1992 Sonic the Hedgehog 2
          1992 Super Mario Kart
          1993 Dinopark Tycoon
          1993 Doom
          1993 Gauntlet IV
          1993 Lufia & the Fortress of Doom (assuming first game)
          1993 Mega Man X
          1994 Donkey Kong Country
          1994 Earthworm Jim
          1994 Sonic & Knuckles
          1994 Sonic the Hedgehog 3
          1994 Super Metroid
          1994 The Lion King
          1995 Chrono Trigger
          1997 Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
          1997 Diablo
          1997 Final Fantasy VII
          1997 Mega Man X4
          1997 Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee
          1997 Snowboard Kids
          1998 Banjo-Kazooie
          1998 Metal Gear Solid
          1998 Sonic Adventure
          1998 South Park
          1998 StarCraft: Brood War
          1999 Age of Empires II: The Age of Kings
          1999 Heroes of Might and Magic III
          1999 Planescape: Torment
          1999 Quake III Arena
          1999 RollerCoaster Tycoon
          1999 Silent Hill
          1999 Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike
          1999 Sven Co-op
          1999 Unreal Tournament
          1999 Worms Armageddon
          2000 Command & Conquer: Red Alert 2
          2000 Diablo II
          2000 Resident Evil CODE: Veronica
          2000 SimCity 3000 Unlimited
          2000 Tony Hawk Pro Skater 2
          2001 Ace Combat 04: Shattered Skies
          2001 Final Fantasy X
          2001 Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty
          2001 Shenmue II
          2002 The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
          2003 Beyond Good & Evil
          2003 Need for Speed: Underground
          2003 Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
          2004 Ace Combat 5: The Unsung War
          2004 Champions of Norrath
          2004 Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
          2004 Gran Turismo 4
          2004 Half Life 2
          2004 Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
          2004 The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap
          2005 Champions: Return to Arms
          2005 Psychonauts
          2005 Shadow of the Colossus
          2006 Ace Combat Zero: The Belkan War
          2006 Ōkami
          2007 BioShock
          2007 Dark Souls
          2007 Mass Effect
          2007 Portal
          2008 Clonk Rage
          2008 Left 4 Dead
          2008 Mirror's Edge
          2008 Super Smash Bros. Brawl
          2009 Dragon Age: Origins
          2009 Forza Motorsport 3
          2009 Killing Floor
          2009 Left 4 Dead 2
          2009 Plants vs. Zombies
          2009 Steins;Gate
          2010 Battlefield: Bad Company 2
          2010 Limbo
          2010 Nier
          2010 Planet Minigolf
          2011 Bastion
          2011 Portal 2
          2011 Terraria
          2011 The Binding of Isaac
          2012 Hotline Miami
          2012 The House in Fata Morgana
          2012 Tokyo Jungle
          2014 Forza Horizon 2
          2014 LISA: The Painful
          2015 Bloodborne
          2015 Ori and the Blind Forest
          2015 The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
          2015 Undertale
          2016 Doom (2016)
          2016 Kirby: Planet Robobot
          2016 Stardew Valley
          2016 The Witness
          2016 Titanfall 2
          2016 Tyranny
          2017 Little Nightmares
          2017 Mario Kart 8 Deluxe (for Deluxe version)
          2017 Nier: Automata
          2017 Night in the Woods
          2017 Super Mario Odyssey
          2017 The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
          2018 Celeste
          2018 Donut County
          2018 Return of the Obra Dinn
          2018 Rimworld
          2018 Subnautica
          2019 A Short Hike
          2019 Disco Elysium
          2019 Outer Wilds
          2019 Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice
          2019 Slay the Spire
          2020 Cyberpunk 2077
          2020 Factorio
          2020 Hades
          2021 Everhood: An Ineffable Tale of the Inexpressible Divine Moments of Truth
          2021 Psychonauts 2
          2022 Elden Ring
          2022 Lil Gator Game
          2023 Baldur's Gate 3
          2023 Dave the Diver
          2024 Balatro
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          Has seriously no one mentioned The Last of Us? That’s crazy.

          I think the second should be included.

          As well as red dead redemption 2.

          The storytelling is just top tier. Better than literally almost all media made today.

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            For me it's Journey. That game gave me an emotional experience I've never had in any other.

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            Absolute embodiment of less is more. Controls are simple but intuitive, you can beat it in one session, there's no major payoff in the end. It's just a game about the journey and the friends made along the way.

            I still remember having my mind blown that the other figure I met after the tutorial level was not just an NPC, when I noticed their movements were too deliberate and they were solving some puzzles for me.

            I made it all the way to the end of the game with that person. Never knew who they even were until their name showed up at the very end. What a cathartic experience. I've also never been able to achieve anything similar since then.

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              Antichamber

              and maybe Portal

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                Bastion, Hades, Disco Elysium, Planescape: Torment, and Tyranny (even if the last act is rushed in the last two) come to mind for me

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                Bastion is amazing.

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                  A short hike! Very pleased to see this one mentioned. What a game. The best kids game IMO

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                    I didn’t know Chris Plante is on Lemmy.

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                    Quick, go through their post history and see if they’ve mentioned any Neil Breen films

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                      ENA: Dream BBQ

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                        objective

                        MEDIA APPRECIATION DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY, GOOD NIGHT!

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                          It actually is directly tied to the movies. The character who first gives Furiosa a chassis to build from isn't quite as hunchbacked as in the game but he is credited as "Chumbucket!"

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                          No shit that’s awesome!

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                            I'm going to take this as "games that I never see anyone question their quality." (I don't even like all these games myself)

                            • Sonic 3 & Knuckles

                            • Kirby Planet Robobot

                            • Doom 2016

                            • Street Fighter III: Third Strike

                            • Pac-Man

                            • Balatro

                            • Steins;Gate

                            • The House in Fata Morgana

                            • Castlevania: Symphony of the Night

                            • Gran Turismo 4

                            • Mario Kart 8 Deluxe

                            • Mega Man X

                            • Mega Man X4

                            • Super Mario Bros. 3

                            • Hollow Knight

                            • Bloodborne

                            • Elden Ring

                            • Balder's Gate 3

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                            I am here to question Elden Ring's quality

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                              Outer wilds

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                                Clair Obscur has been the best game I've played in a long while, absolute masterpiece

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                                  Mega Man X

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                                    For me it's Journey. That game gave me an emotional experience I've never had in any other.

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                                    I added the buddy I ran through the game with and he's still on my friend list decade or so later, amazing experience

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                                      Doom (93) I guess ?

                                      Also HL and HL2

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                                        I'm going to take this as "games that I never see anyone question their quality." (I don't even like all these games myself)

                                        • Sonic 3 & Knuckles

                                        • Kirby Planet Robobot

                                        • Doom 2016

                                        • Street Fighter III: Third Strike

                                        • Pac-Man

                                        • Balatro

                                        • Steins;Gate

                                        • The House in Fata Morgana

                                        • Castlevania: Symphony of the Night

                                        • Gran Turismo 4

                                        • Mario Kart 8 Deluxe

                                        • Mega Man X

                                        • Mega Man X4

                                        • Super Mario Bros. 3

                                        • Hollow Knight

                                        • Bloodborne

                                        • Elden Ring

                                        • Balder's Gate 3

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                                        Steins;Gate my man cultured AF

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                                          Super Hexagon

                                          It's about as simple as a 'modern' game can be (I read there was even a port of it to Commodore 64.) but it's a finely tuned machine. When you lose - and you will, a lot - it feels like mostly your own fault and not the game's.

                                          The difficulty levels very accurately start at Hard for the easiest one. There are 6 total levels, the next 5 difficulties are Harder, Hardest, Hardester, Hardestest, and Hardestestest.

                                          With much time and luck I can beat the first level (unlocking the 4th). On a lost save I had unlocked the 5th level by completing the 2nd, and have only ever seen the 6th in videos from other people. I would have to beat the 3rd to see it myself, and that's not happening.

                                          The criteria to beat a level is "last for 60 seconds".

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