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What games are just objective masterpieces?

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    • Bloodborne
    • Bioshock
    • Hollow Knight
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    • snotflickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zoneS [email protected]

      Holy shit somehow no one has mentioned:

      Nier Automata

      It counts as a masterpiece because of how well it blends game design, gameplay and story. I have played very few games as thoughtful, or that weaved the gameplay together into the story it was telling in such a meaningful way. I never thought once in my life that I would think philosophically about bullet hell but somehow Nier Automata has something profound to say and even manages to say it using bullet hell as a gameplay mechanic.

      On top of all this, it also has a lot to say about classical philosophers, their works, and honestly deeply subverts things they had to say. It asks tough questions about their thoughts and ideas, once again, through gameplay. Numerous characters are named for classical philosophers: Pascal, Jean-Paul, Simone, Engels, Immanuel... (Yoko Taro obviously has feelings about how Jean-Paul Sartre treated Simone de Beauvoir.)

      Further, Yoko Taro is doing something that a lot of game developers fail to manage to do: He is embracing gaming as a storytelling medium and eschewing the traditional three-act arc from film. Because gaming is not film. As Marshall McLuhan posited, "the medium is the message" and unlike other developers Taro's writing is aimed at the medium he is working in instead of leaning on the ropes and tropes of other mediums. (Referring back to above, tying the gameplay into the story, focusing on the medium)

      It's basically impossible to not break down into tears at the ending.

      Don't write it off because of the scantily clad anime women. Stay for the depth of the human condition. It is truly a masterwork in multiple respects.

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      Man, I wish I understood a single bit of this evaluation of the game after finishing every chapter (sorry - "Ending"). The whole thing felt mostly like a waste of time.

      That said, I'm a fan of Spec Ops: The Line, a game that has much the same level of division among its players. Interesting how philosophical games get that reaction.

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        2025: Clair Obscur Expedition 33.

        Even if the year is not finished, this game is such a perfect work of art on so many levels that it became the new favorite to me, and to plenty other players.

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        Going to have to disagree, especially when it comes to storytelling

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        • kolanaki@pawb.socialK [email protected]

          A masterpiece could just refer to a piece of art from a master. It could refer to the quality of an engineering project, or the skill involved in the work's creation. Are these not objective qualities?

          I don't really think the Mona Lisa is a great image, personally (it's a boring portrait), but I can still recognize that it was masterfully done.

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          This gets trickier with games, because an experienced game designer can, for instance, look at the UI design and graphics programming of a Ubisoft open world slopfest, and say those parts were masterfully done (even if the overall game isn't so fun). And, even the best of video games have bits of them that weren't as good.

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            Going to have to disagree, especially when it comes to storytelling

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            What about it ?

            The writing, the characters, the dialogues, the story, everything is new and perfectly done. It is pure art and something like 98% of the 3+ millions players would disagree with you.

            But you must be part of that 2%, meh to each their own 🤷🏻‍♂️

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            • tal@lemmy.todayT [email protected]

              Just out of curiosity, listing the games mentioned here as of this writing by their date of release:

              Release Date Game
              1980 Pac-Man
              1985 The Oregon Trail (assuming widely-played 1985 game)
              1985 Tetris
              1986 Kid Icarus
              1988 Mega Man 2
              1988 Super Mario Brothers 3
              1988 The Guardian Legend
              1989 Abadox: The Deadly Inner War
              1989 Ironsword: Wizards & Warriors II
              1989 Monster Party
              1989 Populous
              1989 Sweet Home
              1990 Dr. Mario
              1990 Final Fantasy III
              1991 Battletoads (assuming original game)
              1991 The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
              1992 Ecco the Dolphin
              1992 Sonic the Hedgehog 2
              1992 Super Mario Kart
              1993 Dinopark Tycoon
              1993 Doom
              1993 Gauntlet IV
              1993 Lufia & the Fortress of Doom (assuming first game)
              1993 Mega Man X
              1994 Donkey Kong Country
              1994 Earthworm Jim
              1994 Sonic & Knuckles
              1994 Sonic the Hedgehog 3
              1994 Super Metroid
              1994 The Lion King
              1995 Chrono Trigger
              1997 Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
              1997 Diablo
              1997 Final Fantasy VII
              1997 Mega Man X4
              1997 Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee
              1997 Snowboard Kids
              1998 Banjo-Kazooie
              1998 Metal Gear Solid
              1998 Sonic Adventure
              1998 South Park
              1998 StarCraft: Brood War
              1999 Age of Empires II: The Age of Kings
              1999 Heroes of Might and Magic III
              1999 Planescape: Torment
              1999 Quake III Arena
              1999 RollerCoaster Tycoon
              1999 Silent Hill
              1999 Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike
              1999 Sven Co-op
              1999 Unreal Tournament
              1999 Worms Armageddon
              2000 Command & Conquer: Red Alert 2
              2000 Diablo II
              2000 Resident Evil CODE: Veronica
              2000 SimCity 3000 Unlimited
              2000 Tony Hawk Pro Skater 2
              2001 Ace Combat 04: Shattered Skies
              2001 Final Fantasy X
              2001 Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty
              2001 Shenmue II
              2002 The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
              2003 Beyond Good & Evil
              2003 Need for Speed: Underground
              2003 Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
              2004 Ace Combat 5: The Unsung War
              2004 Champions of Norrath
              2004 Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
              2004 Gran Turismo 4
              2004 Half Life 2
              2004 Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
              2004 The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap
              2005 Champions: Return to Arms
              2005 Psychonauts
              2005 Shadow of the Colossus
              2006 Ace Combat Zero: The Belkan War
              2006 Ōkami
              2007 BioShock
              2007 Dark Souls
              2007 Mass Effect
              2007 Portal
              2008 Clonk Rage
              2008 Left 4 Dead
              2008 Mirror's Edge
              2008 Super Smash Bros. Brawl
              2009 Dragon Age: Origins
              2009 Forza Motorsport 3
              2009 Killing Floor
              2009 Left 4 Dead 2
              2009 Plants vs. Zombies
              2009 Steins;Gate
              2010 Battlefield: Bad Company 2
              2010 Limbo
              2010 Nier
              2010 Planet Minigolf
              2011 Bastion
              2011 Portal 2
              2011 Terraria
              2011 The Binding of Isaac
              2012 Hotline Miami
              2012 The House in Fata Morgana
              2012 Tokyo Jungle
              2014 Forza Horizon 2
              2014 LISA: The Painful
              2015 Bloodborne
              2015 Ori and the Blind Forest
              2015 The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
              2015 Undertale
              2016 Doom (2016)
              2016 Kirby: Planet Robobot
              2016 Stardew Valley
              2016 The Witness
              2016 Titanfall 2
              2016 Tyranny
              2017 Little Nightmares
              2017 Mario Kart 8 Deluxe (for Deluxe version)
              2017 Nier: Automata
              2017 Night in the Woods
              2017 Super Mario Odyssey
              2017 The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
              2018 Celeste
              2018 Donut County
              2018 Return of the Obra Dinn
              2018 Rimworld
              2018 Subnautica
              2019 A Short Hike
              2019 Disco Elysium
              2019 Outer Wilds
              2019 Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice
              2019 Slay the Spire
              2020 Cyberpunk 2077
              2020 Factorio
              2020 Hades
              2021 Everhood: An Ineffable Tale of the Inexpressible Divine Moments of Truth
              2021 Psychonauts 2
              2022 Elden Ring
              2022 Lil Gator Game
              2023 Baldur's Gate 3
              2023 Dave the Diver
              2024 Balatro
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              Has seriously no one mentioned The Last of Us? That’s crazy.

              I think the second should be included.

              As well as red dead redemption 2.

              The storytelling is just top tier. Better than literally almost all media made today.

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                For me it's Journey. That game gave me an emotional experience I've never had in any other.

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                Absolute embodiment of less is more. Controls are simple but intuitive, you can beat it in one session, there's no major payoff in the end. It's just a game about the journey and the friends made along the way.

                I still remember having my mind blown that the other figure I met after the tutorial level was not just an NPC, when I noticed their movements were too deliberate and they were solving some puzzles for me.

                I made it all the way to the end of the game with that person. Never knew who they even were until their name showed up at the very end. What a cathartic experience. I've also never been able to achieve anything similar since then.

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                  Antichamber

                  and maybe Portal

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                    Bastion, Hades, Disco Elysium, Planescape: Torment, and Tyranny (even if the last act is rushed in the last two) come to mind for me

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                    Bastion is amazing.

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                      A short hike! Very pleased to see this one mentioned. What a game. The best kids game IMO

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                        I didn’t know Chris Plante is on Lemmy.

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                        Quick, go through their post history and see if they’ve mentioned any Neil Breen films

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                          ENA: Dream BBQ

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                            objective

                            MEDIA APPRECIATION DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY, GOOD NIGHT!

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                              It actually is directly tied to the movies. The character who first gives Furiosa a chassis to build from isn't quite as hunchbacked as in the game but he is credited as "Chumbucket!"

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                              No shit that’s awesome!

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                                I'm going to take this as "games that I never see anyone question their quality." (I don't even like all these games myself)

                                • Sonic 3 & Knuckles

                                • Kirby Planet Robobot

                                • Doom 2016

                                • Street Fighter III: Third Strike

                                • Pac-Man

                                • Balatro

                                • Steins;Gate

                                • The House in Fata Morgana

                                • Castlevania: Symphony of the Night

                                • Gran Turismo 4

                                • Mario Kart 8 Deluxe

                                • Mega Man X

                                • Mega Man X4

                                • Super Mario Bros. 3

                                • Hollow Knight

                                • Bloodborne

                                • Elden Ring

                                • Balder's Gate 3

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                                I am here to question Elden Ring's quality

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                                  Outer wilds

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                                    Clair Obscur has been the best game I've played in a long while, absolute masterpiece

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                                      Mega Man X

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                                        For me it's Journey. That game gave me an emotional experience I've never had in any other.

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                                        I added the buddy I ran through the game with and he's still on my friend list decade or so later, amazing experience

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                                          Doom (93) I guess ?

                                          Also HL and HL2

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