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What games are just objective masterpieces?

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  • tal@lemmy.todayT [email protected]

    Just out of curiosity, listing the games mentioned here as of this writing by their date of release:

    Release Date Game
    1980 Pac-Man
    1985 The Oregon Trail (assuming widely-played 1985 game)
    1985 Tetris
    1986 Kid Icarus
    1988 Mega Man 2
    1988 Super Mario Brothers 3
    1988 The Guardian Legend
    1989 Abadox: The Deadly Inner War
    1989 Ironsword: Wizards & Warriors II
    1989 Monster Party
    1989 Populous
    1989 Sweet Home
    1990 Dr. Mario
    1990 Final Fantasy III
    1991 Battletoads (assuming original game)
    1991 The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
    1992 Ecco the Dolphin
    1992 Sonic the Hedgehog 2
    1992 Super Mario Kart
    1993 Dinopark Tycoon
    1993 Doom
    1993 Gauntlet IV
    1993 Lufia & the Fortress of Doom (assuming first game)
    1993 Mega Man X
    1994 Donkey Kong Country
    1994 Earthworm Jim
    1994 Sonic & Knuckles
    1994 Sonic the Hedgehog 3
    1994 Super Metroid
    1994 The Lion King
    1995 Chrono Trigger
    1997 Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
    1997 Diablo
    1997 Final Fantasy VII
    1997 Mega Man X4
    1997 Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee
    1997 Snowboard Kids
    1998 Banjo-Kazooie
    1998 Metal Gear Solid
    1998 Sonic Adventure
    1998 South Park
    1998 StarCraft: Brood War
    1999 Age of Empires II: The Age of Kings
    1999 Heroes of Might and Magic III
    1999 Planescape: Torment
    1999 Quake III Arena
    1999 RollerCoaster Tycoon
    1999 Silent Hill
    1999 Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike
    1999 Sven Co-op
    1999 Unreal Tournament
    1999 Worms Armageddon
    2000 Command & Conquer: Red Alert 2
    2000 Diablo II
    2000 Resident Evil CODE: Veronica
    2000 SimCity 3000 Unlimited
    2000 Tony Hawk Pro Skater 2
    2001 Ace Combat 04: Shattered Skies
    2001 Final Fantasy X
    2001 Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty
    2001 Shenmue II
    2002 The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
    2003 Beyond Good & Evil
    2003 Need for Speed: Underground
    2003 Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
    2004 Ace Combat 5: The Unsung War
    2004 Champions of Norrath
    2004 Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
    2004 Gran Turismo 4
    2004 Half Life 2
    2004 Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
    2004 The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap
    2005 Champions: Return to Arms
    2005 Psychonauts
    2005 Shadow of the Colossus
    2006 Ace Combat Zero: The Belkan War
    2006 Ōkami
    2007 BioShock
    2007 Dark Souls
    2007 Mass Effect
    2007 Portal
    2008 Clonk Rage
    2008 Left 4 Dead
    2008 Mirror's Edge
    2008 Super Smash Bros. Brawl
    2009 Dragon Age: Origins
    2009 Forza Motorsport 3
    2009 Killing Floor
    2009 Left 4 Dead 2
    2009 Plants vs. Zombies
    2009 Steins;Gate
    2010 Battlefield: Bad Company 2
    2010 Limbo
    2010 Nier
    2010 Planet Minigolf
    2011 Bastion
    2011 Portal 2
    2011 Terraria
    2011 The Binding of Isaac
    2012 Hotline Miami
    2012 The House in Fata Morgana
    2012 Tokyo Jungle
    2014 Forza Horizon 2
    2014 LISA: The Painful
    2015 Bloodborne
    2015 Ori and the Blind Forest
    2015 The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
    2015 Undertale
    2016 Doom (2016)
    2016 Kirby: Planet Robobot
    2016 Stardew Valley
    2016 The Witness
    2016 Titanfall 2
    2016 Tyranny
    2017 Little Nightmares
    2017 Mario Kart 8 Deluxe (for Deluxe version)
    2017 Nier: Automata
    2017 Night in the Woods
    2017 Super Mario Odyssey
    2017 The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
    2018 Celeste
    2018 Donut County
    2018 Return of the Obra Dinn
    2018 Rimworld
    2018 Subnautica
    2019 A Short Hike
    2019 Disco Elysium
    2019 Outer Wilds
    2019 Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice
    2019 Slay the Spire
    2020 Cyberpunk 2077
    2020 Factorio
    2020 Hades
    2021 Everhood: An Ineffable Tale of the Inexpressible Divine Moments of Truth
    2021 Psychonauts 2
    2022 Elden Ring
    2022 Lil Gator Game
    2023 Baldur's Gate 3
    2023 Dave the Diver
    2024 Balatro
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    Tokyo Jungle, YES!

    A game so sadly lost to time. My partner's PS3 still has it installed, but no idea if the hard drive is still functional..

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      • Bloodborne
      • Bioshock
      • Hollow Knight
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      • snotflickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zoneS [email protected]

        Holy shit somehow no one has mentioned:

        Nier Automata

        It counts as a masterpiece because of how well it blends game design, gameplay and story. I have played very few games as thoughtful, or that weaved the gameplay together into the story it was telling in such a meaningful way. I never thought once in my life that I would think philosophically about bullet hell but somehow Nier Automata has something profound to say and even manages to say it using bullet hell as a gameplay mechanic.

        On top of all this, it also has a lot to say about classical philosophers, their works, and honestly deeply subverts things they had to say. It asks tough questions about their thoughts and ideas, once again, through gameplay. Numerous characters are named for classical philosophers: Pascal, Jean-Paul, Simone, Engels, Immanuel... (Yoko Taro obviously has feelings about how Jean-Paul Sartre treated Simone de Beauvoir.)

        Further, Yoko Taro is doing something that a lot of game developers fail to manage to do: He is embracing gaming as a storytelling medium and eschewing the traditional three-act arc from film. Because gaming is not film. As Marshall McLuhan posited, "the medium is the message" and unlike other developers Taro's writing is aimed at the medium he is working in instead of leaning on the ropes and tropes of other mediums. (Referring back to above, tying the gameplay into the story, focusing on the medium)

        It's basically impossible to not break down into tears at the ending.

        Don't write it off because of the scantily clad anime women. Stay for the depth of the human condition. It is truly a masterwork in multiple respects.

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        Man, I wish I understood a single bit of this evaluation of the game after finishing every chapter (sorry - "Ending"). The whole thing felt mostly like a waste of time.

        That said, I'm a fan of Spec Ops: The Line, a game that has much the same level of division among its players. Interesting how philosophical games get that reaction.

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          2025: Clair Obscur Expedition 33.

          Even if the year is not finished, this game is such a perfect work of art on so many levels that it became the new favorite to me, and to plenty other players.

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          Going to have to disagree, especially when it comes to storytelling

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          • kolanaki@pawb.socialK [email protected]

            A masterpiece could just refer to a piece of art from a master. It could refer to the quality of an engineering project, or the skill involved in the work's creation. Are these not objective qualities?

            I don't really think the Mona Lisa is a great image, personally (it's a boring portrait), but I can still recognize that it was masterfully done.

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            This gets trickier with games, because an experienced game designer can, for instance, look at the UI design and graphics programming of a Ubisoft open world slopfest, and say those parts were masterfully done (even if the overall game isn't so fun). And, even the best of video games have bits of them that weren't as good.

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              Going to have to disagree, especially when it comes to storytelling

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              What about it ?

              The writing, the characters, the dialogues, the story, everything is new and perfectly done. It is pure art and something like 98% of the 3+ millions players would disagree with you.

              But you must be part of that 2%, meh to each their own 🤷🏻‍♂️

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              • tal@lemmy.todayT [email protected]

                Just out of curiosity, listing the games mentioned here as of this writing by their date of release:

                Release Date Game
                1980 Pac-Man
                1985 The Oregon Trail (assuming widely-played 1985 game)
                1985 Tetris
                1986 Kid Icarus
                1988 Mega Man 2
                1988 Super Mario Brothers 3
                1988 The Guardian Legend
                1989 Abadox: The Deadly Inner War
                1989 Ironsword: Wizards & Warriors II
                1989 Monster Party
                1989 Populous
                1989 Sweet Home
                1990 Dr. Mario
                1990 Final Fantasy III
                1991 Battletoads (assuming original game)
                1991 The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
                1992 Ecco the Dolphin
                1992 Sonic the Hedgehog 2
                1992 Super Mario Kart
                1993 Dinopark Tycoon
                1993 Doom
                1993 Gauntlet IV
                1993 Lufia & the Fortress of Doom (assuming first game)
                1993 Mega Man X
                1994 Donkey Kong Country
                1994 Earthworm Jim
                1994 Sonic & Knuckles
                1994 Sonic the Hedgehog 3
                1994 Super Metroid
                1994 The Lion King
                1995 Chrono Trigger
                1997 Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
                1997 Diablo
                1997 Final Fantasy VII
                1997 Mega Man X4
                1997 Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee
                1997 Snowboard Kids
                1998 Banjo-Kazooie
                1998 Metal Gear Solid
                1998 Sonic Adventure
                1998 South Park
                1998 StarCraft: Brood War
                1999 Age of Empires II: The Age of Kings
                1999 Heroes of Might and Magic III
                1999 Planescape: Torment
                1999 Quake III Arena
                1999 RollerCoaster Tycoon
                1999 Silent Hill
                1999 Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike
                1999 Sven Co-op
                1999 Unreal Tournament
                1999 Worms Armageddon
                2000 Command & Conquer: Red Alert 2
                2000 Diablo II
                2000 Resident Evil CODE: Veronica
                2000 SimCity 3000 Unlimited
                2000 Tony Hawk Pro Skater 2
                2001 Ace Combat 04: Shattered Skies
                2001 Final Fantasy X
                2001 Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty
                2001 Shenmue II
                2002 The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
                2003 Beyond Good & Evil
                2003 Need for Speed: Underground
                2003 Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
                2004 Ace Combat 5: The Unsung War
                2004 Champions of Norrath
                2004 Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
                2004 Gran Turismo 4
                2004 Half Life 2
                2004 Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
                2004 The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap
                2005 Champions: Return to Arms
                2005 Psychonauts
                2005 Shadow of the Colossus
                2006 Ace Combat Zero: The Belkan War
                2006 Ōkami
                2007 BioShock
                2007 Dark Souls
                2007 Mass Effect
                2007 Portal
                2008 Clonk Rage
                2008 Left 4 Dead
                2008 Mirror's Edge
                2008 Super Smash Bros. Brawl
                2009 Dragon Age: Origins
                2009 Forza Motorsport 3
                2009 Killing Floor
                2009 Left 4 Dead 2
                2009 Plants vs. Zombies
                2009 Steins;Gate
                2010 Battlefield: Bad Company 2
                2010 Limbo
                2010 Nier
                2010 Planet Minigolf
                2011 Bastion
                2011 Portal 2
                2011 Terraria
                2011 The Binding of Isaac
                2012 Hotline Miami
                2012 The House in Fata Morgana
                2012 Tokyo Jungle
                2014 Forza Horizon 2
                2014 LISA: The Painful
                2015 Bloodborne
                2015 Ori and the Blind Forest
                2015 The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
                2015 Undertale
                2016 Doom (2016)
                2016 Kirby: Planet Robobot
                2016 Stardew Valley
                2016 The Witness
                2016 Titanfall 2
                2016 Tyranny
                2017 Little Nightmares
                2017 Mario Kart 8 Deluxe (for Deluxe version)
                2017 Nier: Automata
                2017 Night in the Woods
                2017 Super Mario Odyssey
                2017 The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
                2018 Celeste
                2018 Donut County
                2018 Return of the Obra Dinn
                2018 Rimworld
                2018 Subnautica
                2019 A Short Hike
                2019 Disco Elysium
                2019 Outer Wilds
                2019 Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice
                2019 Slay the Spire
                2020 Cyberpunk 2077
                2020 Factorio
                2020 Hades
                2021 Everhood: An Ineffable Tale of the Inexpressible Divine Moments of Truth
                2021 Psychonauts 2
                2022 Elden Ring
                2022 Lil Gator Game
                2023 Baldur's Gate 3
                2023 Dave the Diver
                2024 Balatro
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                #80

                Has seriously no one mentioned The Last of Us? That’s crazy.

                I think the second should be included.

                As well as red dead redemption 2.

                The storytelling is just top tier. Better than literally almost all media made today.

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                  For me it's Journey. That game gave me an emotional experience I've never had in any other.

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                  Absolute embodiment of less is more. Controls are simple but intuitive, you can beat it in one session, there's no major payoff in the end. It's just a game about the journey and the friends made along the way.

                  I still remember having my mind blown that the other figure I met after the tutorial level was not just an NPC, when I noticed their movements were too deliberate and they were solving some puzzles for me.

                  I made it all the way to the end of the game with that person. Never knew who they even were until their name showed up at the very end. What a cathartic experience. I've also never been able to achieve anything similar since then.

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                    Antichamber

                    and maybe Portal

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                      Bastion, Hades, Disco Elysium, Planescape: Torment, and Tyranny (even if the last act is rushed in the last two) come to mind for me

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                      Bastion is amazing.

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                        A short hike! Very pleased to see this one mentioned. What a game. The best kids game IMO

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                          I didn’t know Chris Plante is on Lemmy.

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                          Quick, go through their post history and see if they’ve mentioned any Neil Breen films

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                            ENA: Dream BBQ

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                              objective

                              MEDIA APPRECIATION DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY, GOOD NIGHT!

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                                It actually is directly tied to the movies. The character who first gives Furiosa a chassis to build from isn't quite as hunchbacked as in the game but he is credited as "Chumbucket!"

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                                No shit that’s awesome!

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                                  I'm going to take this as "games that I never see anyone question their quality." (I don't even like all these games myself)

                                  • Sonic 3 & Knuckles

                                  • Kirby Planet Robobot

                                  • Doom 2016

                                  • Street Fighter III: Third Strike

                                  • Pac-Man

                                  • Balatro

                                  • Steins;Gate

                                  • The House in Fata Morgana

                                  • Castlevania: Symphony of the Night

                                  • Gran Turismo 4

                                  • Mario Kart 8 Deluxe

                                  • Mega Man X

                                  • Mega Man X4

                                  • Super Mario Bros. 3

                                  • Hollow Knight

                                  • Bloodborne

                                  • Elden Ring

                                  • Balder's Gate 3

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                                  I am here to question Elden Ring's quality

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                                    Outer wilds

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                                      Clair Obscur has been the best game I've played in a long while, absolute masterpiece

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                                        Mega Man X

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                                          For me it's Journey. That game gave me an emotional experience I've never had in any other.

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                                          I added the buddy I ran through the game with and he's still on my friend list decade or so later, amazing experience

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