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    So the gaming equivalent of ‘chasing the dragon’? That tracks!

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    #73

    chasing the dragon

    Huh. I guess it might be.

    Far from my first game, but my first perfect game. Yea, I guess that does track.

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    • tal@lemmy.todayT [email protected]

      Just out of curiosity, listing the games mentioned here as of this writing by their date of release:

      Release Date Game
      1980 Pac-Man
      1985 The Oregon Trail (assuming widely-played 1985 game)
      1985 Tetris
      1986 Kid Icarus
      1988 Mega Man 2
      1988 Super Mario Brothers 3
      1988 The Guardian Legend
      1989 Abadox: The Deadly Inner War
      1989 Ironsword: Wizards & Warriors II
      1989 Monster Party
      1989 Populous
      1989 Sweet Home
      1990 Dr. Mario
      1990 Final Fantasy III
      1991 Battletoads (assuming original game)
      1991 The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
      1992 Ecco the Dolphin
      1992 Sonic the Hedgehog 2
      1992 Super Mario Kart
      1993 Dinopark Tycoon
      1993 Doom
      1993 Gauntlet IV
      1993 Lufia & the Fortress of Doom (assuming first game)
      1993 Mega Man X
      1994 Donkey Kong Country
      1994 Earthworm Jim
      1994 Sonic & Knuckles
      1994 Sonic the Hedgehog 3
      1994 Super Metroid
      1994 The Lion King
      1995 Chrono Trigger
      1997 Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
      1997 Diablo
      1997 Final Fantasy VII
      1997 Mega Man X4
      1997 Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee
      1997 Snowboard Kids
      1998 Banjo-Kazooie
      1998 Metal Gear Solid
      1998 Sonic Adventure
      1998 South Park
      1998 StarCraft: Brood War
      1999 Age of Empires II: The Age of Kings
      1999 Heroes of Might and Magic III
      1999 Planescape: Torment
      1999 Quake III Arena
      1999 RollerCoaster Tycoon
      1999 Silent Hill
      1999 Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike
      1999 Sven Co-op
      1999 Unreal Tournament
      1999 Worms Armageddon
      2000 Command & Conquer: Red Alert 2
      2000 Diablo II
      2000 Resident Evil CODE: Veronica
      2000 SimCity 3000 Unlimited
      2000 Tony Hawk Pro Skater 2
      2001 Ace Combat 04: Shattered Skies
      2001 Final Fantasy X
      2001 Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty
      2001 Shenmue II
      2002 The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
      2003 Beyond Good & Evil
      2003 Need for Speed: Underground
      2003 Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
      2004 Ace Combat 5: The Unsung War
      2004 Champions of Norrath
      2004 Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
      2004 Gran Turismo 4
      2004 Half Life 2
      2004 Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
      2004 The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap
      2005 Champions: Return to Arms
      2005 Psychonauts
      2005 Shadow of the Colossus
      2006 Ace Combat Zero: The Belkan War
      2006 Ōkami
      2007 BioShock
      2007 Dark Souls
      2007 Mass Effect
      2007 Portal
      2008 Clonk Rage
      2008 Left 4 Dead
      2008 Mirror's Edge
      2008 Super Smash Bros. Brawl
      2009 Dragon Age: Origins
      2009 Forza Motorsport 3
      2009 Killing Floor
      2009 Left 4 Dead 2
      2009 Plants vs. Zombies
      2009 Steins;Gate
      2010 Battlefield: Bad Company 2
      2010 Limbo
      2010 Nier
      2010 Planet Minigolf
      2011 Bastion
      2011 Portal 2
      2011 Terraria
      2011 The Binding of Isaac
      2012 Hotline Miami
      2012 The House in Fata Morgana
      2012 Tokyo Jungle
      2014 Forza Horizon 2
      2014 LISA: The Painful
      2015 Bloodborne
      2015 Ori and the Blind Forest
      2015 The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
      2015 Undertale
      2016 Doom (2016)
      2016 Kirby: Planet Robobot
      2016 Stardew Valley
      2016 The Witness
      2016 Titanfall 2
      2016 Tyranny
      2017 Little Nightmares
      2017 Mario Kart 8 Deluxe (for Deluxe version)
      2017 Nier: Automata
      2017 Night in the Woods
      2017 Super Mario Odyssey
      2017 The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
      2018 Celeste
      2018 Donut County
      2018 Return of the Obra Dinn
      2018 Rimworld
      2018 Subnautica
      2019 A Short Hike
      2019 Disco Elysium
      2019 Outer Wilds
      2019 Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice
      2019 Slay the Spire
      2020 Cyberpunk 2077
      2020 Factorio
      2020 Hades
      2021 Everhood: An Ineffable Tale of the Inexpressible Divine Moments of Truth
      2021 Psychonauts 2
      2022 Elden Ring
      2022 Lil Gator Game
      2023 Baldur's Gate 3
      2023 Dave the Diver
      2024 Balatro
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      #74

      Tokyo Jungle, YES!

      A game so sadly lost to time. My partner's PS3 still has it installed, but no idea if the hard drive is still functional..

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        • Bloodborne
        • Bioshock
        • Hollow Knight
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        • snotflickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zoneS [email protected]

          Holy shit somehow no one has mentioned:

          Nier Automata

          It counts as a masterpiece because of how well it blends game design, gameplay and story. I have played very few games as thoughtful, or that weaved the gameplay together into the story it was telling in such a meaningful way. I never thought once in my life that I would think philosophically about bullet hell but somehow Nier Automata has something profound to say and even manages to say it using bullet hell as a gameplay mechanic.

          On top of all this, it also has a lot to say about classical philosophers, their works, and honestly deeply subverts things they had to say. It asks tough questions about their thoughts and ideas, once again, through gameplay. Numerous characters are named for classical philosophers: Pascal, Jean-Paul, Simone, Engels, Immanuel... (Yoko Taro obviously has feelings about how Jean-Paul Sartre treated Simone de Beauvoir.)

          Further, Yoko Taro is doing something that a lot of game developers fail to manage to do: He is embracing gaming as a storytelling medium and eschewing the traditional three-act arc from film. Because gaming is not film. As Marshall McLuhan posited, "the medium is the message" and unlike other developers Taro's writing is aimed at the medium he is working in instead of leaning on the ropes and tropes of other mediums. (Referring back to above, tying the gameplay into the story, focusing on the medium)

          It's basically impossible to not break down into tears at the ending.

          Don't write it off because of the scantily clad anime women. Stay for the depth of the human condition. It is truly a masterwork in multiple respects.

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          Man, I wish I understood a single bit of this evaluation of the game after finishing every chapter (sorry - "Ending"). The whole thing felt mostly like a waste of time.

          That said, I'm a fan of Spec Ops: The Line, a game that has much the same level of division among its players. Interesting how philosophical games get that reaction.

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            2025: Clair Obscur Expedition 33.

            Even if the year is not finished, this game is such a perfect work of art on so many levels that it became the new favorite to me, and to plenty other players.

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            #77

            Going to have to disagree, especially when it comes to storytelling

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            • kolanaki@pawb.socialK [email protected]

              A masterpiece could just refer to a piece of art from a master. It could refer to the quality of an engineering project, or the skill involved in the work's creation. Are these not objective qualities?

              I don't really think the Mona Lisa is a great image, personally (it's a boring portrait), but I can still recognize that it was masterfully done.

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              This gets trickier with games, because an experienced game designer can, for instance, look at the UI design and graphics programming of a Ubisoft open world slopfest, and say those parts were masterfully done (even if the overall game isn't so fun). And, even the best of video games have bits of them that weren't as good.

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              • Q [email protected]

                Going to have to disagree, especially when it comes to storytelling

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                #79

                What about it ?

                The writing, the characters, the dialogues, the story, everything is new and perfectly done. It is pure art and something like 98% of the 3+ millions players would disagree with you.

                But you must be part of that 2%, meh to each their own 🤷🏻‍♂️

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                • tal@lemmy.todayT [email protected]

                  Just out of curiosity, listing the games mentioned here as of this writing by their date of release:

                  Release Date Game
                  1980 Pac-Man
                  1985 The Oregon Trail (assuming widely-played 1985 game)
                  1985 Tetris
                  1986 Kid Icarus
                  1988 Mega Man 2
                  1988 Super Mario Brothers 3
                  1988 The Guardian Legend
                  1989 Abadox: The Deadly Inner War
                  1989 Ironsword: Wizards & Warriors II
                  1989 Monster Party
                  1989 Populous
                  1989 Sweet Home
                  1990 Dr. Mario
                  1990 Final Fantasy III
                  1991 Battletoads (assuming original game)
                  1991 The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
                  1992 Ecco the Dolphin
                  1992 Sonic the Hedgehog 2
                  1992 Super Mario Kart
                  1993 Dinopark Tycoon
                  1993 Doom
                  1993 Gauntlet IV
                  1993 Lufia & the Fortress of Doom (assuming first game)
                  1993 Mega Man X
                  1994 Donkey Kong Country
                  1994 Earthworm Jim
                  1994 Sonic & Knuckles
                  1994 Sonic the Hedgehog 3
                  1994 Super Metroid
                  1994 The Lion King
                  1995 Chrono Trigger
                  1997 Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
                  1997 Diablo
                  1997 Final Fantasy VII
                  1997 Mega Man X4
                  1997 Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee
                  1997 Snowboard Kids
                  1998 Banjo-Kazooie
                  1998 Metal Gear Solid
                  1998 Sonic Adventure
                  1998 South Park
                  1998 StarCraft: Brood War
                  1999 Age of Empires II: The Age of Kings
                  1999 Heroes of Might and Magic III
                  1999 Planescape: Torment
                  1999 Quake III Arena
                  1999 RollerCoaster Tycoon
                  1999 Silent Hill
                  1999 Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike
                  1999 Sven Co-op
                  1999 Unreal Tournament
                  1999 Worms Armageddon
                  2000 Command & Conquer: Red Alert 2
                  2000 Diablo II
                  2000 Resident Evil CODE: Veronica
                  2000 SimCity 3000 Unlimited
                  2000 Tony Hawk Pro Skater 2
                  2001 Ace Combat 04: Shattered Skies
                  2001 Final Fantasy X
                  2001 Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty
                  2001 Shenmue II
                  2002 The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
                  2003 Beyond Good & Evil
                  2003 Need for Speed: Underground
                  2003 Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
                  2004 Ace Combat 5: The Unsung War
                  2004 Champions of Norrath
                  2004 Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
                  2004 Gran Turismo 4
                  2004 Half Life 2
                  2004 Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
                  2004 The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap
                  2005 Champions: Return to Arms
                  2005 Psychonauts
                  2005 Shadow of the Colossus
                  2006 Ace Combat Zero: The Belkan War
                  2006 Ōkami
                  2007 BioShock
                  2007 Dark Souls
                  2007 Mass Effect
                  2007 Portal
                  2008 Clonk Rage
                  2008 Left 4 Dead
                  2008 Mirror's Edge
                  2008 Super Smash Bros. Brawl
                  2009 Dragon Age: Origins
                  2009 Forza Motorsport 3
                  2009 Killing Floor
                  2009 Left 4 Dead 2
                  2009 Plants vs. Zombies
                  2009 Steins;Gate
                  2010 Battlefield: Bad Company 2
                  2010 Limbo
                  2010 Nier
                  2010 Planet Minigolf
                  2011 Bastion
                  2011 Portal 2
                  2011 Terraria
                  2011 The Binding of Isaac
                  2012 Hotline Miami
                  2012 The House in Fata Morgana
                  2012 Tokyo Jungle
                  2014 Forza Horizon 2
                  2014 LISA: The Painful
                  2015 Bloodborne
                  2015 Ori and the Blind Forest
                  2015 The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
                  2015 Undertale
                  2016 Doom (2016)
                  2016 Kirby: Planet Robobot
                  2016 Stardew Valley
                  2016 The Witness
                  2016 Titanfall 2
                  2016 Tyranny
                  2017 Little Nightmares
                  2017 Mario Kart 8 Deluxe (for Deluxe version)
                  2017 Nier: Automata
                  2017 Night in the Woods
                  2017 Super Mario Odyssey
                  2017 The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
                  2018 Celeste
                  2018 Donut County
                  2018 Return of the Obra Dinn
                  2018 Rimworld
                  2018 Subnautica
                  2019 A Short Hike
                  2019 Disco Elysium
                  2019 Outer Wilds
                  2019 Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice
                  2019 Slay the Spire
                  2020 Cyberpunk 2077
                  2020 Factorio
                  2020 Hades
                  2021 Everhood: An Ineffable Tale of the Inexpressible Divine Moments of Truth
                  2021 Psychonauts 2
                  2022 Elden Ring
                  2022 Lil Gator Game
                  2023 Baldur's Gate 3
                  2023 Dave the Diver
                  2024 Balatro
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                  Has seriously no one mentioned The Last of Us? That’s crazy.

                  I think the second should be included.

                  As well as red dead redemption 2.

                  The storytelling is just top tier. Better than literally almost all media made today.

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                    For me it's Journey. That game gave me an emotional experience I've never had in any other.

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                    Absolute embodiment of less is more. Controls are simple but intuitive, you can beat it in one session, there's no major payoff in the end. It's just a game about the journey and the friends made along the way.

                    I still remember having my mind blown that the other figure I met after the tutorial level was not just an NPC, when I noticed their movements were too deliberate and they were solving some puzzles for me.

                    I made it all the way to the end of the game with that person. Never knew who they even were until their name showed up at the very end. What a cathartic experience. I've also never been able to achieve anything similar since then.

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                      Antichamber

                      and maybe Portal

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                        Bastion, Hades, Disco Elysium, Planescape: Torment, and Tyranny (even if the last act is rushed in the last two) come to mind for me

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                        Bastion is amazing.

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                          A short hike! Very pleased to see this one mentioned. What a game. The best kids game IMO

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                          • T [email protected]

                            I didn’t know Chris Plante is on Lemmy.

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                            Quick, go through their post history and see if they’ve mentioned any Neil Breen films

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                              ENA: Dream BBQ

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                                objective

                                MEDIA APPRECIATION DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY, GOOD NIGHT!

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                                • snotflickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zoneS [email protected]

                                  It actually is directly tied to the movies. The character who first gives Furiosa a chassis to build from isn't quite as hunchbacked as in the game but he is credited as "Chumbucket!"

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                                  No shit that’s awesome!

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                                    I'm going to take this as "games that I never see anyone question their quality." (I don't even like all these games myself)

                                    • Sonic 3 & Knuckles

                                    • Kirby Planet Robobot

                                    • Doom 2016

                                    • Street Fighter III: Third Strike

                                    • Pac-Man

                                    • Balatro

                                    • Steins;Gate

                                    • The House in Fata Morgana

                                    • Castlevania: Symphony of the Night

                                    • Gran Turismo 4

                                    • Mario Kart 8 Deluxe

                                    • Mega Man X

                                    • Mega Man X4

                                    • Super Mario Bros. 3

                                    • Hollow Knight

                                    • Bloodborne

                                    • Elden Ring

                                    • Balder's Gate 3

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                                    I am here to question Elden Ring's quality

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                                      Outer wilds

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                                        Clair Obscur has been the best game I've played in a long while, absolute masterpiece

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                                          Mega Man X

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