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What games are just objective masterpieces?

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    I don't see Goldeneye on your list.

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      So the gaming equivalent of ‘chasing the dragon’? That tracks!

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      chasing the dragon

      Huh. I guess it might be.

      Far from my first game, but my first perfect game. Yea, I guess that does track.

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      • tal@lemmy.todayT [email protected]

        Just out of curiosity, listing the games mentioned here as of this writing by their date of release:

        Release Date Game
        1980 Pac-Man
        1985 The Oregon Trail (assuming widely-played 1985 game)
        1985 Tetris
        1986 Kid Icarus
        1988 Mega Man 2
        1988 Super Mario Brothers 3
        1988 The Guardian Legend
        1989 Abadox: The Deadly Inner War
        1989 Ironsword: Wizards & Warriors II
        1989 Monster Party
        1989 Populous
        1989 Sweet Home
        1990 Dr. Mario
        1990 Final Fantasy III
        1991 Battletoads (assuming original game)
        1991 The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
        1992 Ecco the Dolphin
        1992 Sonic the Hedgehog 2
        1992 Super Mario Kart
        1993 Dinopark Tycoon
        1993 Doom
        1993 Gauntlet IV
        1993 Lufia & the Fortress of Doom (assuming first game)
        1993 Mega Man X
        1994 Donkey Kong Country
        1994 Earthworm Jim
        1994 Sonic & Knuckles
        1994 Sonic the Hedgehog 3
        1994 Super Metroid
        1994 The Lion King
        1995 Chrono Trigger
        1997 Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
        1997 Diablo
        1997 Final Fantasy VII
        1997 Mega Man X4
        1997 Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee
        1997 Snowboard Kids
        1998 Banjo-Kazooie
        1998 Metal Gear Solid
        1998 Sonic Adventure
        1998 South Park
        1998 StarCraft: Brood War
        1999 Age of Empires II: The Age of Kings
        1999 Heroes of Might and Magic III
        1999 Planescape: Torment
        1999 Quake III Arena
        1999 RollerCoaster Tycoon
        1999 Silent Hill
        1999 Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike
        1999 Sven Co-op
        1999 Unreal Tournament
        1999 Worms Armageddon
        2000 Command & Conquer: Red Alert 2
        2000 Diablo II
        2000 Resident Evil CODE: Veronica
        2000 SimCity 3000 Unlimited
        2000 Tony Hawk Pro Skater 2
        2001 Ace Combat 04: Shattered Skies
        2001 Final Fantasy X
        2001 Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty
        2001 Shenmue II
        2002 The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
        2003 Beyond Good & Evil
        2003 Need for Speed: Underground
        2003 Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
        2004 Ace Combat 5: The Unsung War
        2004 Champions of Norrath
        2004 Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
        2004 Gran Turismo 4
        2004 Half Life 2
        2004 Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
        2004 The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap
        2005 Champions: Return to Arms
        2005 Psychonauts
        2005 Shadow of the Colossus
        2006 Ace Combat Zero: The Belkan War
        2006 Ōkami
        2007 BioShock
        2007 Dark Souls
        2007 Mass Effect
        2007 Portal
        2008 Clonk Rage
        2008 Left 4 Dead
        2008 Mirror's Edge
        2008 Super Smash Bros. Brawl
        2009 Dragon Age: Origins
        2009 Forza Motorsport 3
        2009 Killing Floor
        2009 Left 4 Dead 2
        2009 Plants vs. Zombies
        2009 Steins;Gate
        2010 Battlefield: Bad Company 2
        2010 Limbo
        2010 Nier
        2010 Planet Minigolf
        2011 Bastion
        2011 Portal 2
        2011 Terraria
        2011 The Binding of Isaac
        2012 Hotline Miami
        2012 The House in Fata Morgana
        2012 Tokyo Jungle
        2014 Forza Horizon 2
        2014 LISA: The Painful
        2015 Bloodborne
        2015 Ori and the Blind Forest
        2015 The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
        2015 Undertale
        2016 Doom (2016)
        2016 Kirby: Planet Robobot
        2016 Stardew Valley
        2016 The Witness
        2016 Titanfall 2
        2016 Tyranny
        2017 Little Nightmares
        2017 Mario Kart 8 Deluxe (for Deluxe version)
        2017 Nier: Automata
        2017 Night in the Woods
        2017 Super Mario Odyssey
        2017 The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
        2018 Celeste
        2018 Donut County
        2018 Return of the Obra Dinn
        2018 Rimworld
        2018 Subnautica
        2019 A Short Hike
        2019 Disco Elysium
        2019 Outer Wilds
        2019 Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice
        2019 Slay the Spire
        2020 Cyberpunk 2077
        2020 Factorio
        2020 Hades
        2021 Everhood: An Ineffable Tale of the Inexpressible Divine Moments of Truth
        2021 Psychonauts 2
        2022 Elden Ring
        2022 Lil Gator Game
        2023 Baldur's Gate 3
        2023 Dave the Diver
        2024 Balatro
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        Tokyo Jungle, YES!

        A game so sadly lost to time. My partner's PS3 still has it installed, but no idea if the hard drive is still functional..

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          • Bloodborne
          • Bioshock
          • Hollow Knight
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          • snotflickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zoneS [email protected]

            Holy shit somehow no one has mentioned:

            Nier Automata

            It counts as a masterpiece because of how well it blends game design, gameplay and story. I have played very few games as thoughtful, or that weaved the gameplay together into the story it was telling in such a meaningful way. I never thought once in my life that I would think philosophically about bullet hell but somehow Nier Automata has something profound to say and even manages to say it using bullet hell as a gameplay mechanic.

            On top of all this, it also has a lot to say about classical philosophers, their works, and honestly deeply subverts things they had to say. It asks tough questions about their thoughts and ideas, once again, through gameplay. Numerous characters are named for classical philosophers: Pascal, Jean-Paul, Simone, Engels, Immanuel... (Yoko Taro obviously has feelings about how Jean-Paul Sartre treated Simone de Beauvoir.)

            Further, Yoko Taro is doing something that a lot of game developers fail to manage to do: He is embracing gaming as a storytelling medium and eschewing the traditional three-act arc from film. Because gaming is not film. As Marshall McLuhan posited, "the medium is the message" and unlike other developers Taro's writing is aimed at the medium he is working in instead of leaning on the ropes and tropes of other mediums. (Referring back to above, tying the gameplay into the story, focusing on the medium)

            It's basically impossible to not break down into tears at the ending.

            Don't write it off because of the scantily clad anime women. Stay for the depth of the human condition. It is truly a masterwork in multiple respects.

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            Man, I wish I understood a single bit of this evaluation of the game after finishing every chapter (sorry - "Ending"). The whole thing felt mostly like a waste of time.

            That said, I'm a fan of Spec Ops: The Line, a game that has much the same level of division among its players. Interesting how philosophical games get that reaction.

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              2025: Clair Obscur Expedition 33.

              Even if the year is not finished, this game is such a perfect work of art on so many levels that it became the new favorite to me, and to plenty other players.

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              Going to have to disagree, especially when it comes to storytelling

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              • kolanaki@pawb.socialK [email protected]

                A masterpiece could just refer to a piece of art from a master. It could refer to the quality of an engineering project, or the skill involved in the work's creation. Are these not objective qualities?

                I don't really think the Mona Lisa is a great image, personally (it's a boring portrait), but I can still recognize that it was masterfully done.

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                This gets trickier with games, because an experienced game designer can, for instance, look at the UI design and graphics programming of a Ubisoft open world slopfest, and say those parts were masterfully done (even if the overall game isn't so fun). And, even the best of video games have bits of them that weren't as good.

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                  Going to have to disagree, especially when it comes to storytelling

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                  What about it ?

                  The writing, the characters, the dialogues, the story, everything is new and perfectly done. It is pure art and something like 98% of the 3+ millions players would disagree with you.

                  But you must be part of that 2%, meh to each their own 🤷🏻‍♂️

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                  • tal@lemmy.todayT [email protected]

                    Just out of curiosity, listing the games mentioned here as of this writing by their date of release:

                    Release Date Game
                    1980 Pac-Man
                    1985 The Oregon Trail (assuming widely-played 1985 game)
                    1985 Tetris
                    1986 Kid Icarus
                    1988 Mega Man 2
                    1988 Super Mario Brothers 3
                    1988 The Guardian Legend
                    1989 Abadox: The Deadly Inner War
                    1989 Ironsword: Wizards & Warriors II
                    1989 Monster Party
                    1989 Populous
                    1989 Sweet Home
                    1990 Dr. Mario
                    1990 Final Fantasy III
                    1991 Battletoads (assuming original game)
                    1991 The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
                    1992 Ecco the Dolphin
                    1992 Sonic the Hedgehog 2
                    1992 Super Mario Kart
                    1993 Dinopark Tycoon
                    1993 Doom
                    1993 Gauntlet IV
                    1993 Lufia & the Fortress of Doom (assuming first game)
                    1993 Mega Man X
                    1994 Donkey Kong Country
                    1994 Earthworm Jim
                    1994 Sonic & Knuckles
                    1994 Sonic the Hedgehog 3
                    1994 Super Metroid
                    1994 The Lion King
                    1995 Chrono Trigger
                    1997 Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
                    1997 Diablo
                    1997 Final Fantasy VII
                    1997 Mega Man X4
                    1997 Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee
                    1997 Snowboard Kids
                    1998 Banjo-Kazooie
                    1998 Metal Gear Solid
                    1998 Sonic Adventure
                    1998 South Park
                    1998 StarCraft: Brood War
                    1999 Age of Empires II: The Age of Kings
                    1999 Heroes of Might and Magic III
                    1999 Planescape: Torment
                    1999 Quake III Arena
                    1999 RollerCoaster Tycoon
                    1999 Silent Hill
                    1999 Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike
                    1999 Sven Co-op
                    1999 Unreal Tournament
                    1999 Worms Armageddon
                    2000 Command & Conquer: Red Alert 2
                    2000 Diablo II
                    2000 Resident Evil CODE: Veronica
                    2000 SimCity 3000 Unlimited
                    2000 Tony Hawk Pro Skater 2
                    2001 Ace Combat 04: Shattered Skies
                    2001 Final Fantasy X
                    2001 Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty
                    2001 Shenmue II
                    2002 The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
                    2003 Beyond Good & Evil
                    2003 Need for Speed: Underground
                    2003 Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
                    2004 Ace Combat 5: The Unsung War
                    2004 Champions of Norrath
                    2004 Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
                    2004 Gran Turismo 4
                    2004 Half Life 2
                    2004 Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
                    2004 The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap
                    2005 Champions: Return to Arms
                    2005 Psychonauts
                    2005 Shadow of the Colossus
                    2006 Ace Combat Zero: The Belkan War
                    2006 Ōkami
                    2007 BioShock
                    2007 Dark Souls
                    2007 Mass Effect
                    2007 Portal
                    2008 Clonk Rage
                    2008 Left 4 Dead
                    2008 Mirror's Edge
                    2008 Super Smash Bros. Brawl
                    2009 Dragon Age: Origins
                    2009 Forza Motorsport 3
                    2009 Killing Floor
                    2009 Left 4 Dead 2
                    2009 Plants vs. Zombies
                    2009 Steins;Gate
                    2010 Battlefield: Bad Company 2
                    2010 Limbo
                    2010 Nier
                    2010 Planet Minigolf
                    2011 Bastion
                    2011 Portal 2
                    2011 Terraria
                    2011 The Binding of Isaac
                    2012 Hotline Miami
                    2012 The House in Fata Morgana
                    2012 Tokyo Jungle
                    2014 Forza Horizon 2
                    2014 LISA: The Painful
                    2015 Bloodborne
                    2015 Ori and the Blind Forest
                    2015 The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
                    2015 Undertale
                    2016 Doom (2016)
                    2016 Kirby: Planet Robobot
                    2016 Stardew Valley
                    2016 The Witness
                    2016 Titanfall 2
                    2016 Tyranny
                    2017 Little Nightmares
                    2017 Mario Kart 8 Deluxe (for Deluxe version)
                    2017 Nier: Automata
                    2017 Night in the Woods
                    2017 Super Mario Odyssey
                    2017 The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
                    2018 Celeste
                    2018 Donut County
                    2018 Return of the Obra Dinn
                    2018 Rimworld
                    2018 Subnautica
                    2019 A Short Hike
                    2019 Disco Elysium
                    2019 Outer Wilds
                    2019 Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice
                    2019 Slay the Spire
                    2020 Cyberpunk 2077
                    2020 Factorio
                    2020 Hades
                    2021 Everhood: An Ineffable Tale of the Inexpressible Divine Moments of Truth
                    2021 Psychonauts 2
                    2022 Elden Ring
                    2022 Lil Gator Game
                    2023 Baldur's Gate 3
                    2023 Dave the Diver
                    2024 Balatro
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                    #80

                    Has seriously no one mentioned The Last of Us? That’s crazy.

                    I think the second should be included.

                    As well as red dead redemption 2.

                    The storytelling is just top tier. Better than literally almost all media made today.

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                      For me it's Journey. That game gave me an emotional experience I've never had in any other.

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                      Absolute embodiment of less is more. Controls are simple but intuitive, you can beat it in one session, there's no major payoff in the end. It's just a game about the journey and the friends made along the way.

                      I still remember having my mind blown that the other figure I met after the tutorial level was not just an NPC, when I noticed their movements were too deliberate and they were solving some puzzles for me.

                      I made it all the way to the end of the game with that person. Never knew who they even were until their name showed up at the very end. What a cathartic experience. I've also never been able to achieve anything similar since then.

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                        Antichamber

                        and maybe Portal

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                          Bastion, Hades, Disco Elysium, Planescape: Torment, and Tyranny (even if the last act is rushed in the last two) come to mind for me

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                          Bastion is amazing.

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                            A short hike! Very pleased to see this one mentioned. What a game. The best kids game IMO

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                              I didn’t know Chris Plante is on Lemmy.

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                              Quick, go through their post history and see if they’ve mentioned any Neil Breen films

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                                ENA: Dream BBQ

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                                  objective

                                  MEDIA APPRECIATION DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY, GOOD NIGHT!

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                                    It actually is directly tied to the movies. The character who first gives Furiosa a chassis to build from isn't quite as hunchbacked as in the game but he is credited as "Chumbucket!"

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                                    No shit that’s awesome!

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                                      I'm going to take this as "games that I never see anyone question their quality." (I don't even like all these games myself)

                                      • Sonic 3 & Knuckles

                                      • Kirby Planet Robobot

                                      • Doom 2016

                                      • Street Fighter III: Third Strike

                                      • Pac-Man

                                      • Balatro

                                      • Steins;Gate

                                      • The House in Fata Morgana

                                      • Castlevania: Symphony of the Night

                                      • Gran Turismo 4

                                      • Mario Kart 8 Deluxe

                                      • Mega Man X

                                      • Mega Man X4

                                      • Super Mario Bros. 3

                                      • Hollow Knight

                                      • Bloodborne

                                      • Elden Ring

                                      • Balder's Gate 3

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                                      I am here to question Elden Ring's quality

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                                        Outer wilds

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                                          Clair Obscur has been the best game I've played in a long while, absolute masterpiece

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