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  • C capuccino@lemmy.world
    27 May 2025, 22:34

    Portal 2.

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    saltsong@startrek.website
    wrote on 27 May 2025, 23:47 last edited by
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    Portal 1 was flawless. Portal 2 had a crucial flaw.

    Specifically, it was not Portal 1. Everything else was perfect.

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      afaix@lemmy.world
      wrote on 27 May 2025, 23:52 last edited by
      #30

      Psychonauts 1 and 2.

      Some of the most imaginative big budget games in existence, from themes to art style to level design

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      • S snotflickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        27 May 2025, 23:22

        Holy shit somehow no one has mentioned:

        Nier Automata

        It counts as a masterpiece because of how well it blends game design, gameplay and story. I have played very few games as thoughtful, or that weaved the gameplay together into the story it was telling in such a meaningful way. I never thought once in my life that I would think philosophically about bullet hell but somehow Nier Automata has something profound to say and even manages to say it using bullet hell as a gameplay mechanic.

        On top of all this, it also has a lot to say about classical philosophers, their works, and honestly deeply subverts things they had to say. It asks tough questions about their thoughts and ideas, once again, through gameplay. Numerous characters are named for classical philosophers: Pascal, Jean-Paul, Simone, Engels, Immanuel... (Yoko Taro obviously has feelings about how Jean-Paul Sartre treated Simone de Beauvoir.)

        Further, Yoko Taro is doing something that a lot of game developers fail to manage to do: He is embracing gaming as a storytelling medium and eschewing the traditional three-act arc from film. Because gaming is not film. As Marshall McLuhan posited, "the medium is the message" and unlike other developers Taro's writing is aimed at the medium he is working in instead of leaning on the ropes and tropes of other mediums. (Referring back to above, tying the gameplay into the story, focusing on the medium)

        It's basically impossible to not break down into tears at the ending.

        Don't write it off because of the scantily clad anime women. Stay for the depth of the human condition. It is truly a masterwork in multiple respects.

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        sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
        wrote on 27 May 2025, 23:53 last edited by
        #31

        Nier Automata

        I loved Nier Replicant, but didn't get into Automata, maybe I'll give it another shot. I do love that style of storytelling though.

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        • W weirdbeardgame@lemmy.world
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          yareckt@lemmynsfw.com
          wrote on 27 May 2025, 23:53 last edited by yareckt@lemmynsfw.com
          #32

          Half-life 3
          Mario 69
          Pokemon Asbestos
          Super Smash Bros Bawl (if you ban Metaknight)

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          • R richardwagner@lemm.ee
            27 May 2025, 23:32
            • dark souls
            • elden ring
            • bloodborne
            • sekiro
            • outer wilds
            • doom 2016
            • binding of isaac
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            sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
            wrote on 27 May 2025, 23:53 last edited by
            #33

            Someone likes a challenge. 🙂

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              toomanypancakes@lemmy.world
              wrote on 27 May 2025, 23:55 last edited by
              #34

              Super Metroid is still the first that comes to mind. Amazing experience from start to finish.

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              • W weirdbeardgame@lemmy.world
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                emb@lemmy.world
                wrote on 27 May 2025, 23:56 last edited by
                #35

                Super Metroid

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                • S saltsong@startrek.website
                  27 May 2025, 23:47

                  Portal 1 was flawless. Portal 2 had a crucial flaw.

                  Specifically, it was not Portal 1. Everything else was perfect.

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                  capuccino@lemmy.world
                  wrote on 27 May 2025, 23:59 last edited by
                  #36

                  Are you saying that Portal 2 is not perfect due is a sequel?

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                  • C capuccino@lemmy.world
                    27 May 2025, 23:59

                    Are you saying that Portal 2 is not perfect due is a sequel?

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                    saltsong@startrek.website
                    wrote on 28 May 2025, 00:03 last edited by
                    #37

                    Not a sequel. Just because it's not Portal 1. The fact that it's second is not the problem. The problem is that the first one was flawless.

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                      granitem@lemmy.world
                      wrote on 28 May 2025, 00:04 last edited by
                      #38

                      Red Alert 2

                      Heroes of Might and Magic 3

                      Super Mario Brothers 3

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                        frank@sopuli.xyz
                        wrote on 28 May 2025, 00:08 last edited by
                        #39

                        I think Outer Wilds is the most unique and fantastic way to tell a story I've ever experienced. Truly open in a way I've not seen before or since.

                        With the banger of a soundtrack too, I just can't bring myself to rate other games higher than it; even if I enjoy them more, Outer Wilds is probably the best game I've ever played.

                        Slay the Spire probably makes the list as it's inspired countless tweaks on its incredibly balanced deck building experience

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                          chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world
                          wrote on 28 May 2025, 00:09 last edited by
                          #40

                          There is no "objective" when talking about subjective terms.

                          My personal, SUBJECTIVE favorites are Mass Effect, Titanfall 2, Subnautica, Stardew Valley, Ori and the Blind Forest, Dave the Diver, Balatro, and Portal 1 and 2

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                          • T tomselleck@lemm.ee
                            27 May 2025, 23:40

                            I didn’t know Chris Plante is on Lemmy.

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                            snotflickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone
                            wrote on 28 May 2025, 00:16 last edited by
                            #41

                            For a moment I thought you were talking about the Newsmax host and I was very offended and confused, but it looks like there is another, lesser known Chris Plante in gaming journalism.

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                              wildncrazyguy138@fedia.io
                              wrote on 28 May 2025, 00:18 last edited by
                              #42

                              S tier

                              • Lufia
                              • Dragon Warrior 3
                              • Final Fantasy 3 & 7
                              • Sonic Adventure
                              • The Guardian Legend
                              • Ecco the Dolphin
                              • Silent Hill
                              • Mario Kart
                              • Dark Cloud 2
                              • Chronotrigger
                              • Zelda: A link to the past
                              • Submachine (flash)

                              A tier

                              • Oddworld, Abe’s Odyssey
                              • Resident Evil: codename Veronica
                              • Banjo Kazooie
                              • Mario RPG
                              • Donkey Kong Country
                              • Earthworm Jim
                              • Battletoads
                              • Wizards and Warriors 2
                              • Megaman 2
                              • Populous
                              • One Chance (flash)
                              • Daymare Town (flash)
                              • Abadox - hardest game I ever beat

                              B tier

                              • The Lion King
                              • Overlord
                              • Oregon Trail
                              • Dinopark Tycoon
                              • Snowboard Kids
                              • South Park
                              • Kid Icarus
                              • Sweet Home
                              • Monster Party
                              • Dr Mario
                              • Abobo’s Big Adventure (flash)
                              • Alice is Dead Ep 1 (flash)
                              • Starfox
                              • Shadowgate
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                              • S snotflickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone
                                27 May 2025, 23:22

                                Holy shit somehow no one has mentioned:

                                Nier Automata

                                It counts as a masterpiece because of how well it blends game design, gameplay and story. I have played very few games as thoughtful, or that weaved the gameplay together into the story it was telling in such a meaningful way. I never thought once in my life that I would think philosophically about bullet hell but somehow Nier Automata has something profound to say and even manages to say it using bullet hell as a gameplay mechanic.

                                On top of all this, it also has a lot to say about classical philosophers, their works, and honestly deeply subverts things they had to say. It asks tough questions about their thoughts and ideas, once again, through gameplay. Numerous characters are named for classical philosophers: Pascal, Jean-Paul, Simone, Engels, Immanuel... (Yoko Taro obviously has feelings about how Jean-Paul Sartre treated Simone de Beauvoir.)

                                Further, Yoko Taro is doing something that a lot of game developers fail to manage to do: He is embracing gaming as a storytelling medium and eschewing the traditional three-act arc from film. Because gaming is not film. As Marshall McLuhan posited, "the medium is the message" and unlike other developers Taro's writing is aimed at the medium he is working in instead of leaning on the ropes and tropes of other mediums. (Referring back to above, tying the gameplay into the story, focusing on the medium)

                                It's basically impossible to not break down into tears at the ending.

                                Don't write it off because of the scantily clad anime women. Stay for the depth of the human condition. It is truly a masterwork in multiple respects.

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                                bbbbbbbbbbb@lemmy.world
                                wrote on 28 May 2025, 00:18 last edited by
                                #43

                                It's basically impossible to not break down into tears at the ending.

                                The god damn ending is a gameplay mechanic to tell a not yet finished story. Damn you Yoko Taro

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                                • F fartswithanaccent@fedia.io
                                  27 May 2025, 23:08

                                  Portal/Portal 2

                                  Deus Ex (the original)

                                  Minecraft

                                  Stardew Valley

                                  Terraria

                                  Mirror's Edge

                                  Chrono Trigger

                                  Cyberpunk 2077

                                  Hades

                                  Subnautica

                                  A Short Hike

                                  Donut County

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                                  omegamanthethird@lemmy.world
                                  wrote on 28 May 2025, 00:19 last edited by
                                  #44

                                  I'm shocked to see Donut County mentioned. But you're right, it's a perfect pleasant game similar to the perfection of the first Portal. In fact, it's my son's favorite video game, by far.

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                                  • S seathru@lemmy.sdf.org
                                    27 May 2025, 23:44

                                    I think the word you are looking for is pedant.

                                    Better vocabulary will help get your point across better. Without also sounding like an edgy atheist teen.

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                                    landedgentry@lemmy.zip
                                    wrote on 28 May 2025, 00:21 last edited by landedgentry@lemmy.zip 6 Feb 2025, 20:17
                                    #45

                                    ::: spoiler spoiler
                                    askldjfals;jflsad;
                                    :::

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                                      angstylittlecatboy@reddthat.com
                                      wrote on 28 May 2025, 00:22 last edited by angstylittlecatboy@reddthat.com
                                      #46

                                      I'm going to take this as "games that I never see anyone question their quality." (I don't even like all these games myself)

                                      • Sonic 3 & Knuckles

                                      • Kirby Planet Robobot

                                      • Doom 2016

                                      • Street Fighter III: Third Strike

                                      • Pac-Man

                                      • Balatro

                                      • Steins;Gate

                                      • The House in Fata Morgana

                                      • Castlevania: Symphony of the Night

                                      • Gran Turismo 4

                                      • Mario Kart 8 Deluxe

                                      • Mega Man X

                                      • Mega Man X4

                                      • Super Mario Bros. 3

                                      • Hollow Knight

                                      • Bloodborne

                                      • Elden Ring

                                      • Balder's Gate 3

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                                      • L landedgentry@lemmy.zip
                                        27 May 2025, 23:28

                                        ::: spoiler spoiler
                                        askldjfals;jflsad;
                                        :::

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                                        krudler@lemmy.world
                                        wrote on 28 May 2025, 00:27 last edited by
                                        #47

                                        It's low-grade trolling, chill bro. They're not serious.

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                                        • W wildncrazyguy138@fedia.io
                                          28 May 2025, 00:18

                                          S tier

                                          • Lufia
                                          • Dragon Warrior 3
                                          • Final Fantasy 3 & 7
                                          • Sonic Adventure
                                          • The Guardian Legend
                                          • Ecco the Dolphin
                                          • Silent Hill
                                          • Mario Kart
                                          • Dark Cloud 2
                                          • Chronotrigger
                                          • Zelda: A link to the past
                                          • Submachine (flash)

                                          A tier

                                          • Oddworld, Abe’s Odyssey
                                          • Resident Evil: codename Veronica
                                          • Banjo Kazooie
                                          • Mario RPG
                                          • Donkey Kong Country
                                          • Earthworm Jim
                                          • Battletoads
                                          • Wizards and Warriors 2
                                          • Megaman 2
                                          • Populous
                                          • One Chance (flash)
                                          • Daymare Town (flash)
                                          • Abadox - hardest game I ever beat

                                          B tier

                                          • The Lion King
                                          • Overlord
                                          • Oregon Trail
                                          • Dinopark Tycoon
                                          • Snowboard Kids
                                          • South Park
                                          • Kid Icarus
                                          • Sweet Home
                                          • Monster Party
                                          • Dr Mario
                                          • Abobo’s Big Adventure (flash)
                                          • Alice is Dead Ep 1 (flash)
                                          • Starfox
                                          • Shadowgate
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                                          cattywampas@lemm.ee
                                          wrote on 28 May 2025, 00:28 last edited by
                                          #48

                                          Unironically Banjo-Kazooie though

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