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    Elden Ring

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      Games I haven't seen mentioned yet:

      • Fez - cute little 2D/3D platformer. It's amazing and very wholesome

      • Stalker: Shadow of Chenrobyl - dunno what exactly is it, perhaps the settings and the grit, but it has a special place in my heart. It's about average FPS, but not too long and for me enjoyable

      • F.E.A.R. - very good FPS, with amazingly scripted enemies, decent horror elements (not compulsory - you might miss some of them if you're not looking).

      • Prince of Persia: Warrior Within - for me the best 3rd person action adventure ever. Best combat hands down (or head, or torso, you choose), streamlined blade dance at your fingertips. You play with your enemies, and you get many tools. There are some locked camera issues.

      • Touhou: Lost branch of time - If you liked Slay the Spire, but wished for colorful mana, this is the game for you. It has anime artstyle, I usually focus on the cards, though it might turn some people off

      • Dota 2 - Dunno if it was mentioned and I didn't see, but the mechanics are absolutely amazing, the things the game lets you get away with are incredible. 10/10, but other people might bring your experience down. Specially friends. Can play against custom (workshop) bots. Still takes too long to git gud. I studied the game for 10 years and still sucked.

      • Divinity 2: Original Sin - also haven't seen a mention, everybody talks about BG3, I haven't yet played it, but D2:OS was also a masterpiece. Haven't played a lot of TRPGs, this was a blast, with easily set up multiplayer. Played through it twice completely, with many abandoned runs.

      • CS 1.6 - remember that? I lost my childhood to that. They don't make counter strikes this good anymore.

      • Synthetik - top-down rougelike shooter, with amazing weapons and physics and classes and enemies and mechanics and 2 person multiplayer

      • Dwarf Fortress - the real objectively best game 😄 strategy simulation of the 3D box world, predecesor to both Minecraft and Terraria, but with A LOT more sand in your box. They are still extending it. And it's on Steam if you want a UI.

      • Terraria (Calamity mod) - Terraria is obviously a great game, but what makes it 20/10 is the mods. Calamity specifically. Tripple the content, 5x the difficulty (20x if you try Infernum), amazing multiplayer experience. Don't install Infernum if you haven't beaten at least Revengeance on Calamity. Trust me, it will fuck you up.

      • Yakuza 0 - how could I forget about this masterpiece? Story done absolutely right, that game had no business making me feel so strongly about it. Cool combat, very funny moments, but I cried during it. If you haven't tried it, check it out. You won't regret it.

      • OpenTTD - Trains. Do you like to create and manage big rail systems? This is for you. And your friends. Only noobs use planes. Only psychos use boats. Nobody uses only vehicles.

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      I love that you included 1.6. I spent my all teenage years staying up all night playing this. I was thinking single player epics but this is absolutely a masterpiece.

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        Minesweeper.

        Simple, endlessly playable.

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          Journey

          There is not a single word in the game, barely any control but the game take you through an emotional story.

          It's multiplayer in a sense that you might meet another player, they can help you, you can help them or just continue on your path and despite not having any words it just fell like a genuine, pure connection with someone.

          And the music is amazing.

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          Journey is an Art masterpiece, but one that you need to already appreciate Art to enjoy.
          I got friends to try it, some of them enjoyed the experience, others found it boring as hell.

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            I'd say games that have set the standard for their genre, and have not been surpassed, would be the only ones that count.

            • Half Life 1 and then again with 2
            • Half Life Alyx
            • Age of Empires II
            • Baldur's Gate 3
            • Warframe
            • Ratchet and Clank: Going Commando
            • Knights of the Old Republic
            • Fallout: New Vegas
            • Crash Bandicoot: Warped
            • Mario Kart 8 Deluxe
            • The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild, and then again with Tears of the Kingdom
            • Elden Ring
            • Hollow Knight
            • Dirt Rally
            • The World Ends With You (the original NDS version)
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              SOMA was great

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              I feel like Soma was a decent metaphysical question wrapped in a okayish walking simulator.

              It got a lot of praise, but basically boils down to the question "what makes you you" with nothing else about it standing out.

              If the gameplay isn't a driving factor of making the game objectively good, then I don't think it counts.

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                • Chrono Trigger
                • Disco Elysium
                • Sekiro
                • Zelda Ocarina of Time
                • Bioshock
                • Portal
                • Half Life
                • Nier Automata
                • Tetris

                Flawed Masterpieces

                • Minecraft (surprising)
                • Dragon age Origins
                • Team Fortress 2
                • Fallout New Vegas
                • Dark Souls
                • Every Baldur's Gate

                Masterpiece in my heart: Terraria

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                I'm always curious why people add things like Ocarina of Time to lists like these. While the game was revolutionary at the time, I don't think it holds up particularly well nor succeeds where later zeldas fail.

                To call it an objective masterpiece I feel like it has to be a game that someone picking up today would still enjoy and appreciate. Tetris and Portal for example hold up well even by today's standards.

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                  Just out of curiosity, listing the games mentioned here as of this writing by their date of release:

                  Release Date Game
                  1980 Pac-Man
                  1985 The Oregon Trail (assuming widely-played 1985 game)
                  1985 Tetris
                  1986 Kid Icarus
                  1988 Mega Man 2
                  1988 Super Mario Brothers 3
                  1988 The Guardian Legend
                  1989 Abadox: The Deadly Inner War
                  1989 Ironsword: Wizards & Warriors II
                  1989 Monster Party
                  1989 Populous
                  1989 Sweet Home
                  1990 Dr. Mario
                  1990 Final Fantasy III
                  1991 Battletoads (assuming original game)
                  1991 The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
                  1992 Ecco the Dolphin
                  1992 Sonic the Hedgehog 2
                  1992 Super Mario Kart
                  1993 Dinopark Tycoon
                  1993 Doom
                  1993 Gauntlet IV
                  1993 Lufia & the Fortress of Doom (assuming first game)
                  1993 Mega Man X
                  1994 Donkey Kong Country
                  1994 Earthworm Jim
                  1994 Sonic & Knuckles
                  1994 Sonic the Hedgehog 3
                  1994 Super Metroid
                  1994 The Lion King
                  1995 Chrono Trigger
                  1997 Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
                  1997 Diablo
                  1997 Final Fantasy VII
                  1997 Mega Man X4
                  1997 Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee
                  1997 Snowboard Kids
                  1998 Banjo-Kazooie
                  1998 Metal Gear Solid
                  1998 Sonic Adventure
                  1998 South Park
                  1998 StarCraft: Brood War
                  1999 Age of Empires II: The Age of Kings
                  1999 Heroes of Might and Magic III
                  1999 Planescape: Torment
                  1999 Quake III Arena
                  1999 RollerCoaster Tycoon
                  1999 Silent Hill
                  1999 Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike
                  1999 Sven Co-op
                  1999 Unreal Tournament
                  1999 Worms Armageddon
                  2000 Command & Conquer: Red Alert 2
                  2000 Diablo II
                  2000 Resident Evil CODE: Veronica
                  2000 SimCity 3000 Unlimited
                  2000 Tony Hawk Pro Skater 2
                  2001 Ace Combat 04: Shattered Skies
                  2001 Final Fantasy X
                  2001 Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty
                  2001 Shenmue II
                  2002 The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
                  2003 Beyond Good & Evil
                  2003 Need for Speed: Underground
                  2003 Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
                  2004 Ace Combat 5: The Unsung War
                  2004 Champions of Norrath
                  2004 Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
                  2004 Gran Turismo 4
                  2004 Half Life 2
                  2004 Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
                  2004 The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap
                  2005 Champions: Return to Arms
                  2005 Psychonauts
                  2005 Shadow of the Colossus
                  2006 Ace Combat Zero: The Belkan War
                  2006 ÅŒkami
                  2007 BioShock
                  2007 Dark Souls
                  2007 Mass Effect
                  2007 Portal
                  2008 Clonk Rage
                  2008 Left 4 Dead
                  2008 Mirror's Edge
                  2008 Super Smash Bros. Brawl
                  2009 Dragon Age: Origins
                  2009 Forza Motorsport 3
                  2009 Killing Floor
                  2009 Left 4 Dead 2
                  2009 Plants vs. Zombies
                  2009 Steins;Gate
                  2010 Battlefield: Bad Company 2
                  2010 Limbo
                  2010 Nier
                  2010 Planet Minigolf
                  2011 Bastion
                  2011 Portal 2
                  2011 Terraria
                  2011 The Binding of Isaac
                  2012 Hotline Miami
                  2012 The House in Fata Morgana
                  2012 Tokyo Jungle
                  2014 Forza Horizon 2
                  2014 LISA: The Painful
                  2015 Bloodborne
                  2015 Ori and the Blind Forest
                  2015 The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
                  2015 Undertale
                  2016 Doom (2016)
                  2016 Kirby: Planet Robobot
                  2016 Stardew Valley
                  2016 The Witness
                  2016 Titanfall 2
                  2016 Tyranny
                  2017 Little Nightmares
                  2017 Mario Kart 8 Deluxe (for Deluxe version)
                  2017 Nier: Automata
                  2017 Night in the Woods
                  2017 Super Mario Odyssey
                  2017 The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
                  2018 Celeste
                  2018 Donut County
                  2018 Return of the Obra Dinn
                  2018 Rimworld
                  2018 Subnautica
                  2019 A Short Hike
                  2019 Disco Elysium
                  2019 Outer Wilds
                  2019 Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice
                  2019 Slay the Spire
                  2020 Cyberpunk 2077
                  2020 Factorio
                  2020 Hades
                  2021 Everhood: An Ineffable Tale of the Inexpressible Divine Moments of Truth
                  2021 Psychonauts 2
                  2022 Elden Ring
                  2022 Lil Gator Game
                  2023 Baldur's Gate 3
                  2023 Dave the Diver
                  2024 Balatro
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                  1996: Duke Nukem 3D

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                    Honestly, many of them you know full well, but that's because yes, they are that good:

                    • Minecraft
                    • TES III Morrowind and TES V Skyrim
                    • The Witcher 1 and 3
                    • Deus Ex Human Revolution and Mankind Divided
                    • Cyberpunk 2077
                    • Dishonored 1 and 2
                    • Warcraft III and World of Warcraft

                    Completely deserve their legendary status

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                      Team Fortress 2

                      The best teamshooter game to date, endless copy cats that suck ass.

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                      It does have a couple sore points. The whole aimbots running rampant was awful. And it was one of the first major games to introduce and popularize micro transactions.

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                        I feel like Soma was a decent metaphysical question wrapped in a okayish walking simulator.

                        It got a lot of praise, but basically boils down to the question "what makes you you" with nothing else about it standing out.

                        If the gameplay isn't a driving factor of making the game objectively good, then I don't think it counts.

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                        The lack of gameplay is fine, and very much important to call out for any new players. There's a whole genre of "you're playing a movie" that SOMA fits nicely into

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                          Chromehounds was the greatest mech game on shitbox 360 and you can't change my mind.

                          The sheer variety in player created metas was glorious to behold. Sure, you could play how the game encouraged you to play and hang your weapons in "normal" configurations. But you could also bury whole teams in indirect fire with a triple double from across the map. You could build a little punchy boi buggy with a dick piston, cockpit, wheels, and nothing else. You could even try to sweat the meta in the chicken leg howitzer or the turtle up in the armored crab.

                          The only limits were creativity and spacer availability lmfaooo

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                          It's pretty wack that we haven't since had a game that captures many of the better elements of Chrome hounds.

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                            Okay, now do it all on a bell curve.

                            What's the most absolute medium game, to which all other games are compared to, and if worse, fail, or are better and pass?

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                            Hell I'd make that a separate post!

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                              I'm always curious why people add things like Ocarina of Time to lists like these. While the game was revolutionary at the time, I don't think it holds up particularly well nor succeeds where later zeldas fail.

                              To call it an objective masterpiece I feel like it has to be a game that someone picking up today would still enjoy and appreciate. Tetris and Portal for example hold up well even by today's standards.

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                              The thing that not holds well in Ocarina of Time is the N64 controls and like what they supposed to do to overcome that?

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                                Just out of curiosity, listing the games mentioned here as of this writing by their date of release:

                                Release Date Game
                                1980 Pac-Man
                                1985 The Oregon Trail (assuming widely-played 1985 game)
                                1985 Tetris
                                1986 Kid Icarus
                                1988 Mega Man 2
                                1988 Super Mario Brothers 3
                                1988 The Guardian Legend
                                1989 Abadox: The Deadly Inner War
                                1989 Ironsword: Wizards & Warriors II
                                1989 Monster Party
                                1989 Populous
                                1989 Sweet Home
                                1990 Dr. Mario
                                1990 Final Fantasy III
                                1991 Battletoads (assuming original game)
                                1991 The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
                                1992 Ecco the Dolphin
                                1992 Sonic the Hedgehog 2
                                1992 Super Mario Kart
                                1993 Dinopark Tycoon
                                1993 Doom
                                1993 Gauntlet IV
                                1993 Lufia & the Fortress of Doom (assuming first game)
                                1993 Mega Man X
                                1994 Donkey Kong Country
                                1994 Earthworm Jim
                                1994 Sonic & Knuckles
                                1994 Sonic the Hedgehog 3
                                1994 Super Metroid
                                1994 The Lion King
                                1995 Chrono Trigger
                                1997 Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
                                1997 Diablo
                                1997 Final Fantasy VII
                                1997 Mega Man X4
                                1997 Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee
                                1997 Snowboard Kids
                                1998 Banjo-Kazooie
                                1998 Metal Gear Solid
                                1998 Sonic Adventure
                                1998 South Park
                                1998 StarCraft: Brood War
                                1999 Age of Empires II: The Age of Kings
                                1999 Heroes of Might and Magic III
                                1999 Planescape: Torment
                                1999 Quake III Arena
                                1999 RollerCoaster Tycoon
                                1999 Silent Hill
                                1999 Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike
                                1999 Sven Co-op
                                1999 Unreal Tournament
                                1999 Worms Armageddon
                                2000 Command & Conquer: Red Alert 2
                                2000 Diablo II
                                2000 Resident Evil CODE: Veronica
                                2000 SimCity 3000 Unlimited
                                2000 Tony Hawk Pro Skater 2
                                2001 Ace Combat 04: Shattered Skies
                                2001 Final Fantasy X
                                2001 Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty
                                2001 Shenmue II
                                2002 The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
                                2003 Beyond Good & Evil
                                2003 Need for Speed: Underground
                                2003 Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
                                2004 Ace Combat 5: The Unsung War
                                2004 Champions of Norrath
                                2004 Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
                                2004 Gran Turismo 4
                                2004 Half Life 2
                                2004 Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
                                2004 The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap
                                2005 Champions: Return to Arms
                                2005 Psychonauts
                                2005 Shadow of the Colossus
                                2006 Ace Combat Zero: The Belkan War
                                2006 ÅŒkami
                                2007 BioShock
                                2007 Dark Souls
                                2007 Mass Effect
                                2007 Portal
                                2008 Clonk Rage
                                2008 Left 4 Dead
                                2008 Mirror's Edge
                                2008 Super Smash Bros. Brawl
                                2009 Dragon Age: Origins
                                2009 Forza Motorsport 3
                                2009 Killing Floor
                                2009 Left 4 Dead 2
                                2009 Plants vs. Zombies
                                2009 Steins;Gate
                                2010 Battlefield: Bad Company 2
                                2010 Limbo
                                2010 Nier
                                2010 Planet Minigolf
                                2011 Bastion
                                2011 Portal 2
                                2011 Terraria
                                2011 The Binding of Isaac
                                2012 Hotline Miami
                                2012 The House in Fata Morgana
                                2012 Tokyo Jungle
                                2014 Forza Horizon 2
                                2014 LISA: The Painful
                                2015 Bloodborne
                                2015 Ori and the Blind Forest
                                2015 The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
                                2015 Undertale
                                2016 Doom (2016)
                                2016 Kirby: Planet Robobot
                                2016 Stardew Valley
                                2016 The Witness
                                2016 Titanfall 2
                                2016 Tyranny
                                2017 Little Nightmares
                                2017 Mario Kart 8 Deluxe (for Deluxe version)
                                2017 Nier: Automata
                                2017 Night in the Woods
                                2017 Super Mario Odyssey
                                2017 The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
                                2018 Celeste
                                2018 Donut County
                                2018 Return of the Obra Dinn
                                2018 Rimworld
                                2018 Subnautica
                                2019 A Short Hike
                                2019 Disco Elysium
                                2019 Outer Wilds
                                2019 Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice
                                2019 Slay the Spire
                                2020 Cyberpunk 2077
                                2020 Factorio
                                2020 Hades
                                2021 Everhood: An Ineffable Tale of the Inexpressible Divine Moments of Truth
                                2021 Psychonauts 2
                                2022 Elden Ring
                                2022 Lil Gator Game
                                2023 Baldur's Gate 3
                                2023 Dave the Diver
                                2024 Balatro
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                                The only game I kinda like on this list is Okami.

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                                  Well, none because favorites are super subjective, but I'll shout out my favorites because no one else did:

                                  1. The Wonderful 101
                                  2. Bayonetta
                                  3. Ninja Gaiden II
                                  4. God Hand
                                  5. Viewtiful Joe
                                  6. Catherine
                                  7. Gravity Rush
                                  8. Guilty Gear XX Accent Core Plus R
                                  9. Under Night In-Birth II Sys:Celes
                                  10. Persona 4 Arena Ultimax
                                  11. Crimzon Clover: World EXplosion
                                  12. Ketsui: Kizuna Jigoku Tachi
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                                    The thing that not holds well in Ocarina of Time is the N64 controls and like what they supposed to do to overcome that?

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                                    It's probably me being pedantic, but for an "objective masterpiece" the game needs to stand on its own and not on its legacy. I just don't think Ocarina of Time holds up to later zelda games in many aspects (although I do think the story and soundtrack do).

                                    Generally I think the ps1 and N64 era just suffer from the transition to 3D. Graphically and gameplay wise many games suffered for being the first foray into 3D gaming and those challenges wouldn't really be settled until the next generation.

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                                      Well, none because favorites are super subjective, but I'll shout out my favorites because no one else did:

                                      1. The Wonderful 101
                                      2. Bayonetta
                                      3. Ninja Gaiden II
                                      4. God Hand
                                      5. Viewtiful Joe
                                      6. Catherine
                                      7. Gravity Rush
                                      8. Guilty Gear XX Accent Core Plus R
                                      9. Under Night In-Birth II Sys:Celes
                                      10. Persona 4 Arena Ultimax
                                      11. Crimzon Clover: World EXplosion
                                      12. Ketsui: Kizuna Jigoku Tachi
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                                      Catherine deserves to be on someone's list so glad you have it and Gravity rush is a good choice cause it was a fun use of mechanics.

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                                        • Portal 1/2 of course.
                                        • Grim Fandango. (Flawed yes, but absolutely a masterpiece)
                                        • Psychonauts.
                                        • Fallout New Vegas.
                                        • System Shock (the original).
                                        • The Longest Journey.
                                        • Mass Effect. Maybe.
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                                        Portal 1 & 2 were the first to my mind as well. I really like this list, actually.

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                                          SOMA was great

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                                          I've been craving another experience like SOMA but unfortunately nothing even comes close. It was probably the coolest and most disturbing story I've ever seen. Finishing that game gave me an existential crisis for like 2 days after. It was that good.

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