giving root level access to russian crackers instead

I just don't understand anticheat or copy protection on PvE games. I can understand it if you don't want to play against a cheater, but this is a cooperative shooter.

So 50% score loss because of a permissive EULA, got it ...

I'll just leave this in the "Pitchforks against Pitchford" and "Woke, must hate" folder. Call me back when they do actually include a rootkit in their games instead of jumping the gun because loud feelings say loud things. If only there was some way to get statistics of the people getting outraged because of posts in a subreddit community and the people who don't have a problem with rootkits installed by their favorite MMOs...

it isn't propaganda.

it's been a while since I've used windows, but I remember having to give administrator privileges to software installers, whether they are from legitimate vendors or from ripping groups with modified code

I just don't understand anticheat or copy protection on PvE games. I can understand it if you don't want to play against a cheater, but this is a cooperative shooter.

What point are you trying to make? You say you're "all for calling this kind of fuckery out" but then you're criticizing people for calling it out? And who cares what other EULAs might say? The point is that the license agreement for this game and others owned by this company didn't say this shit before, and now they do. The company is actively making their user agreement more hostile to the users which is what people are pissed about.

Some people will always find an excuse to change nothing.

It doesn't matter how many similar EULA's people have already accepted. The best moment to not eat it anymore would have been the first time it happened, the second best time is right now.

Also, retroactively amending an EULA is a different quality, since people have already paid for the game and would be locked out after the fact if they didn't accept.

Are they actually likely to remove it for this reason? Or is this just wasting the time of people who have to deal with reports at Steam? Like have they actually done something against Steam's TOS?

^edit: wow, a whole flock of Owls in the replies.^

I see this kind of comment before and I will never understand it - "other companies do it so just bend over and let us do it to you too!"

People say this all the time about Denuvo too: "Other games already have Denuvo, why are you crying about it here when you're playing other games?"

And see, that's the problem - we aren't playing those other Denuvo games. And same thing applies here, guess what, a lot of us aren't buying games from gross companies like EA with these shit terms. So when a company we are doing business with suddenly changes their terms to be shit, that's a valid complaint. Some of us have already been boycotting bad business practices in the industry, so the idea of company changing terms towards the boycott after we've already invested in the game feels like a betrayal because it is.

So maybe stop focusing on what you assume the rest of audience is doing and instead go back to focusing on what the people at the goddamn podium are trying to pull?

Why does everyone insist on adding the ‘so just bend over and take’ part whenever someone points out another source of wrongdoing? Like what do yall always take it to mean that the speaker is implying a whataboutism argument? And not maybe as ‘oh shit this has been going on longer than just this maybe we should learn about that too and we might figure out why it hasn’t been stopped yet.’

He said it

That not misinformation…

It is misinformation if the things he said are not true.

So, let's look into the claims.

Here's the TOS:

https://www.take2games.com/legal/en-US/

There is nothing about root level access.

In addition, if you look at the patch history for Borderlands 2 on SteamDB, you will see that the last update for the game was 4 August 2022.

So, to be clear:

There is nothing in the TOS that requires you to submit to a rootkit and there is no spyware that has been added. The comment in the OP is simply wrong.

This is what happens when you simply read social media and repeat what you've heard without checking to see if you're spreading misinformation.

giving root level access to russian crackers instead

I'm really curious on what actual specific steps you took to "check". It took me about a few minutes of reading to find it.

https://www.take2games.com/privacy/en-US/#3-sources-of-information

We also may use internal and third-party anti-cheat technologies to detect and prevent cheating within our Services.

Furthermore, https://www.take2games.com/legal/en-US/#10-availability specifically section 10.2

We may provide patches, updates, or upgrades to the Services, Virtual Items, Content, or your Account that may be required for you to continue using the Services, including automatic or “in the background” updates without notice to you.

I hope the people who upvoted your misinformation are able to see this, please think of your actions and conduct before posting multiple comments defending a company if you're worried about misinformation.

I sometimes wonder what will happen when EAC, that has root access to millions of PCs, gets compromised or has grunty employee and pushes malicious update

If "everyone" keeps reading a sentiment you did not intend out of your message, perhaps it is time to consider that you are doing a poor job of communicating your point.

Or you're being disingenuous and just don't like being calling on your hissy fit.

I dunno, take your pick.

If more folks are waking up and shaking a stick at it or doing something but blindly click through (thus legally unenforceable) EULAs I'm all for it.

Better late than never.

Let's ride the wave. Turn this into a huge controversy known industry-wide. Then, next game that comes out with EULA like this, we say "THIS GAME HAS A BORDERLANDS-STYLE EULA". Pretend it's new to exploit the shock value and get the gamers riled up. Then, the industry gets better.

Tell the frog that the pot wasn't always this hot.

I’m sad you read this as an admission of defeat and an attempt to deter others from fighting. Was hoping for more of a ‘you’re late, you have a bunch of homework to catch up on’ vibe but I’m not great at communicating all the time.