A sovereign Microsoft 365 alternative: Nextcloud and IONOS join forces - Nextcloud
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I use Nextcloud for contacts, calendars, files, bookmarks, passwords, to do lists, Kanban boards, and recipies. You absolutely can turn nextcloud into a 365 competitor if that's your jam
Those are add-ons.
Besides which, o365 is not a single self hosted php behemoth.
I'm loathe to extoll the virtues of 365. I don't use it and never will.
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Oh shit
This will undoubtedly have a major impact against Microsoft and even perhaps Google.
AI-powered productivity features.
Everything is pretty sweet except ^the AI productivity features. Hopefully the AI portions are optional opt-ins rather than it being preincluded opt-outs.
I actually want AI on my Nextcloud. As long as it runs locally. We've taken thousands of pictures over the years and desperately need some help in categorising them. Unfortunately so far I wasn't able to find any reliable way to automate it.
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Glad to have helped. The only issue I may have with it is that the web frontend feels a bit slow, but O mainly use it as a file sync service, so it doesn't bother me too much.
Nice to see that the professionals have the same problems I have.
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Well if I uninstaller them what would i complain about?
I don't make the rules. If you're on lemmy qnd nextcloud does exactly what you want you need to complain about it being "over engineered" or "bloated" because it does things you don't need.
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I actually want AI on my Nextcloud. As long as it runs locally. We've taken thousands of pictures over the years and desperately need some help in categorising them. Unfortunately so far I wasn't able to find any reliable way to automate it.
Have you tried Immich? It runs local and is open source. I haven't yet but was planning to soon as I have the same struggle
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Have you tried Immich? It runs local and is open source. I haven't yet but was planning to soon as I have the same struggle
Yeah, trouble is that it doesn't really work well with Nextcloud together so I would have to migrate all of my devices.
And in the end it doesn't work much better than NC.
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I actually want AI on my Nextcloud. As long as it runs locally. We've taken thousands of pictures over the years and desperately need some help in categorising them. Unfortunately so far I wasn't able to find any reliable way to automate it.
Have you tried hiring a couple humans? They're much better than AI. And you help your local (physical or virtual) economy!
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Have you tried hiring a couple humans? They're much better than AI. And you help your local (physical or virtual) economy!
Yes, I love giving other people access to my private pictures I explicitly don't host on Google, Dropbox or other external clouds. I usually pay them from the hoard of gold that's stashed away under my bed.
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Yes, I love giving other people access to my private pictures I explicitly don't host on Google, Dropbox or other external clouds. I usually pay them from the hoard of gold that's stashed away under my bed.
Trusting humans (to any extent) is quite vastly different than trusting corporations, to be honest. But if that's your jingle, you can always do the work with a bulk tagger / gallery assembler. No AI, nor environment killing, needed.
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It's an alternative, but IONOS honestly fucking sucks as well, so I'm feeling pretty ambivalent about this.
What's wrong with IONOS? Their VPS prices are some of the best out there and reliability has never been an issue for me.
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Please tell me they're not writing it in php.
Owncloud infinite scale seems, well, much more scalable
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It's an alternative, but IONOS honestly fucking sucks as well, so I'm feeling pretty ambivalent about this.
Ionos used to be 1&1 which had a fairly poor reputation. Not sure what it's become nowadays. Apparently they haven't gotten much better.
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Nah, it'll be CGI.
Cool, I've always wanted to get back into Perl.
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Sure that's why I drive my 4wd anywhere i want to go - i don't want or need 4wd but I can just not use that functionality.
Sorry what office suite is basic NC functionality that has been there for a long time?
Your analogy doesn't make any sense, so I assume you really don't know. So let me explain:
If you buy a 4wd, it's always a 4wd, usually that means s relatively large vehicle. You might be able to turn it to 2wd, but it doesn't make the car smaller. If you just needed a tiny car in all (or most cases), you can't push a button to make it smaller. You always drive around the extra equipment to possibly make it 4wd.
Nextcloud is plugin based. Assuming this isn't locked away on an instance like this, you can literally push a button and make that whole functionality go away everywhere. You can fully remove that 'clutter', if that's of no use to you. They are offering it always, as it adds no additional effort on the hosters side: they don't need to add gear boxes or whatever to make it have calendar & contacts. If you don't want/need it, turn it off and it's gone.
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Oh shit
This will undoubtedly have a major impact against Microsoft and even perhaps Google.
AI-powered productivity features.
Everything is pretty sweet except ^the AI productivity features. Hopefully the AI portions are optional opt-ins rather than it being preincluded opt-outs.
I have a nextcloud instance and I can confirm that the ai features are plugins, and are opt-in (and also pretty cool, as ai feature go)
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Nextcloud is so slow and brittle, I can’t imagine scaling
I was in the same boat and therefore my nextcloud instance was mostly running for backwards compatibility with a few setups I have, while I mostly use seafile, immich and sogo. But a few days ago I updated to nextcloud hub 10 (I think that's with nextcloud 31 under the hood) and damn does that run smooth. I was so impressed I got motivated to finally setup the high performance backend for nc talk.
I still dislike PHP, but nextcloud just won back my heart a little.
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What's wrong with IONOS? Their VPS prices are some of the best out there and reliability has never been an issue for me.
I've had the opposite experience with their cloud services in a professional context. My biggest gripe is with United Internet, the monopolistic company that owns IONOS, 1&1 (an ISP) as well as the ad-ridden, flaming pile of garbage that are GMX and WEB.DE, two of the most popular email service providers in Germany as well as a constant source of pain for anyone operating an Email server. They will ignore common industry standards and best-practices, silently block your mailserver for absolutely no reason, not respond to inquiries and just generally make the internet a slightly worse place for small to medium sized businesses and selfhosters.
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As organizations are looking to reclaim their digital sovereignty, IONOS and Nextcloud are building the fully featured office suite “Nextcloud Workspace”: a powerful Microsoft 365 alternative. As long-standing partners, we have the expertise to enable large companies and organizations with an all-round office suite as European answer to US products. Announced at the Nextcloud Summit earlier this month, this collaboration for digitally sovereign office software that meets the highest data protection requirements will launch in 2025.
To meet the rigorous needs of public institutions and enterprises, Nextcloud Workspace will integrate a full range of collaboration tools, including file storage and sharing, document editing, email, calendaring, video conferencing, chat, and AI-powered productivity features. Of course, this offering will be fully GDPR compliant and securely hosted in Europe.
Organizations can trust Nextcloud to deliver a fully integrated office and collaboration suite, thanks to the company’s experience in creating the world’s leading private cloud platform. IONOS, Europe’s largest cloud and hosting provider, is the ideal partner to ensure full GDPR compliance and protection from US legal exposure. Hosting will be managed exclusively in Germany, at IONOS’ extensive network of data centers.
Is this just hosted nextcloud with collabora office pre installed?
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I was in the same boat and therefore my nextcloud instance was mostly running for backwards compatibility with a few setups I have, while I mostly use seafile, immich and sogo. But a few days ago I updated to nextcloud hub 10 (I think that's with nextcloud 31 under the hood) and damn does that run smooth. I was so impressed I got motivated to finally setup the high performance backend for nc talk.
I still dislike PHP, but nextcloud just won back my heart a little.
Why do you dislike PHP?
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Why do you dislike PHP?
Not OP, and I don't particularly hate PHP but I certainly understand why everyone else does. It had a ton of horrible issues that didn't get fixed until 8. Just really awful stuff like a23+n7=30 , inconsistent syntax, It's just had a lot of holes over the years. Post perl, It had the next greatest number of plugins and was reasonably rapid so it took off with the inexperienced crowd, But we ended up with a lot of code written by a lot of inexperienced people and a lot of best practices were eschewed. Most of the big software names that run PHP have had a constant stream of really bad vulnerabilities, more so than a lot of other languages. (WordPress, PHPBB, vbulletin, a million horribly written WordPress plugins)
Personally, in a pinch I'll still do something in PHP. It's so incredibly rapid and gives you marginally decent debug right out of the gate with nothing installed.
