Anyone sick of these new games requiring so much power to run?
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Remember when oblivion came out? Or crysis? They were so hard to run that they became meme benchmarks lol
And now that "gaming" is incredibly mainstream, the push to be more and more marketable by investors by pushing technology in graphics because that's what sells.
Graphics too hard to run or not, I just want good games. And all this priority on intense graphical fidelity doth not maketh for many resources for the rest of the game and often shows a priority on PROFIT over all else.
Not buying games, for any reason, including you can't play them, is probably the best and healthiest thing to happen to gaming since indie gaming...
So, go, play your 15 year old games. Enjoy what's actually fun. The world will be a better place for it.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Go back further back. It is like this ever since gaming on PC is a thing. Doom, Wing commander 3, Quake III, ...
You have to go back to when gaming was dominated by the Amiga and Atari ST to find a time when it hasn't been like this.
I'd say thanks to Indie games, it is actually much easier to have a pleasing gaming life on low specs nowadays.
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This is getting out of hand. The other day I saw the requirements for "Hell is Us" game and it's ridiculous. My RX6600 can't play anything anymore. I've downloaded several PS3 ROMs and now I'm playing old games. So much better than this insanity. This is probably what I'm going to be doing now, play old games.
Edit: I wanted to edit the post for more context and to vent/rant a little.
I don't want to say I made a mistake, but I buy everything used, and I have scored a good deal on two 27" 4k monitors from Facebook marketplace. Got both monitors for $120.
They're $800 on Amazon used. Great monitors and I love 4k. I also bought an RX6600 AMD GPU for $100 from Facebook. It was almost new. The owner upgraded and wanted to get rid of it. My whole build was very cheap compared to what I see some folks get (genuinely happy for those who can afford it. Life is too short. Enjoy it while you can).
I can't afford these high end GPUs, but now very few games work on low settings and I'd get something like 20 FPS max. My friend gave me access to his steam library and I wanted to play Indiana Jones the other day, and it was an "omfg, wtf is this horrible shit" moment.
I'm so sick of this shit!I don't regret buying any of these, but man it sucks that the games I want to play barely even work.
So, now I'm emulating and it's actually pretty awesome. I've missed out on so many games in my youth so now I'm just going to catch up on what I've missed out on. Everything works in 4k now and I'm getting my full 60FPS and I'm having so much fun.I tend to play shit 2+ years old...
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There are new games?
In all serious, the indie scene is full of new games that don't require a new GPU to run. A Day of Maintenance and Ephipany City and Mouthwashing and Unsorted Horror and Cosmic Wheel of Sisterhood (to name the few specifically new games that I've played and really loved on my RX580, which is about 40% less powerful).
Thank you for mentioning these names. This is basically what I'm doing now, indie and emulation. It's all just for fun.
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God damn, I couldn't agree more. It's been a blast playing older games, not gonna lie. I just can't understand why I need to spend $700 plus on a GPU ONLY to be able to play something.
Because investors realized that gaming is lucrative and leads society. You think it's a coincidence that Valve created basically the first successful digital distribution platforms and now every entertainment medium followed their model? Do you think microprocessors need to be that good on phones for Web browsing? AI compute hardware came from gaming gpu technology. The software originally made for and tested on games.
But, like music publishers trying to push the newest and latest and greatest music on us, only to have you realize that "oh yeah, 80s music actually kicks ass" and "oh fuck, 50s music WAS neat" or if you have or when you do "holy shit classical is actually amazing and lasted for literally hundreds of years whereas current pop music is constantly only like 2 years old"...
...Like music in that way, old games don't just magically become irrelevant and bad, despite what pop culture may try to tell us. Compatibility may be the biggest issue, but a lot of old games are legitimately better than newer ones (a lot of old games were bad too). It's all the social and technical evolution of the medium, and once you start being able to look at it that way - once that perspective and vibe catches on a bit more - I think gaming will be healthier.
Don't spend 700 bucks. The game will still be there. Wait. Play fun things now that you can, and if when it's economically playable for you it's still fun, then it'll still be fun. There are far too many games right now to even seriously consider fomo for anything but the MOST socially important games, and those are few and far between, and usually very easy to run.
You're doing fine.
Don't look at how much 5090s cost in like Australia or some other countries.
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Okay I'm going to go against the grain, and will probably get downvoted to hell, but this is not new. This is PC gaming. This has always been PC gaming. Hot take - you don't need 4k@60fps to be able to have fun playing games.
New games require top of the line hardware (or hardware that doesn't even exist yet) for high-ultra settings. Always have, always will. (Hell, we had an entire meme about 'can it run crysis', a game that literally could only play on low-medium on even the highest level machines for a few years) Game makers want to make their games not just work now, but want them to look great in 5 years too. Unless you have shelled out over a grand this year for the absolute latest GPU, you should not expect any new game to run on great settings.
In fact, I do keep my PC fairly bleeding edge and I can't drive more than High settings on most games - and that's okay. Eventually I'll play them on Ultra, when hardware catches up. It's fine.
And as for low to mid level hardware I was there too - and that's just PC gaming friend. I played Borderlands and Left4Dead the year they came out on a very old Radeon card at 640x480 in windowed mode, medium settings, at about 40fps.
Again, this is just what PC gaming is. If you want crisp ultra graphics, you're gonna have to shell out the ultra payments. Otherwise, fine tuning low to medium payments, becoming okay with sub 60fps, this is all fairly normal.
Personally, when I upgrade I find great joy in going back and "rediscovering" some of the older games and playing them on ultra for the first time.
And honestly, most modern games still look great on medium or low if you just put the textures on high. And that usually only affects VRAM usage and not performance.
I usually buy my PCs with an expected lifetime of about 10 years. And I don't even buy the highest level components. Just enough to get High graphics at whatever is currently the most common resolution. After those ten years they usually can still play the newest releases at low settings while still looking better than ten year old games. You just have to play around with the settings a bit.
My Steam Deck is the only gaming PC I have that is actually struggling having new releases look good. But that was to be expected. And most of them still work if I tolerate abysmally low resolutions at 25 to 30 fps.
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You can't even shoot out light bulbs anymore.
In Jedi Knight 2 you couldn't use your lightsaber as a light source anymore. While Jedi Knight 1 was capable of doing that.
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I don't do much gaming these days, so my hardware isn't appropriate and this likely wasn't going to go anywhere anyways, but yesterday I had a quick thought whether I should buy Blue Prince and play it myself, before I watch someone else play it. And I kid you not, my first thought why I shouldn't buy it was "Nah, it's got 3D graphics, it's probably not going to run well".
I genuinely have no idea, if that even makes sense. The game uses cell-shaded graphics, so you probably could've implemented it on the PS1.
Well, except that it needs a fairly high resolution to be able to see some of the puzzle clues. And it's got soft lighting and whatnot. And the solo dev probably didn't spend their entire dev time optimizing for hardware as weak as mine.I just thought it was funny that we've been doing 3D for 3 decades and somehow it's still relevant for my judgement how a game will run. ðŸ«
100%. And this is my whole point. Why is it OUR problem not the devs problem? Why do I have to buy into expensive shit?
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I tend to play shit 2+ years old...
Ditto. Whenever it goes on sale for 75% off
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Ditto. Whenever it goes on sale for 75% off
With GOTY and all the "expansions"
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This is getting out of hand. The other day I saw the requirements for "Hell is Us" game and it's ridiculous. My RX6600 can't play anything anymore. I've downloaded several PS3 ROMs and now I'm playing old games. So much better than this insanity. This is probably what I'm going to be doing now, play old games.
Edit: I wanted to edit the post for more context and to vent/rant a little.
I don't want to say I made a mistake, but I buy everything used, and I have scored a good deal on two 27" 4k monitors from Facebook marketplace. Got both monitors for $120.
They're $800 on Amazon used. Great monitors and I love 4k. I also bought an RX6600 AMD GPU for $100 from Facebook. It was almost new. The owner upgraded and wanted to get rid of it. My whole build was very cheap compared to what I see some folks get (genuinely happy for those who can afford it. Life is too short. Enjoy it while you can).
I can't afford these high end GPUs, but now very few games work on low settings and I'd get something like 20 FPS max. My friend gave me access to his steam library and I wanted to play Indiana Jones the other day, and it was an "omfg, wtf is this horrible shit" moment.
I'm so sick of this shit!I don't regret buying any of these, but man it sucks that the games I want to play barely even work.
So, now I'm emulating and it's actually pretty awesome. I've missed out on so many games in my youth so now I'm just going to catch up on what I've missed out on. Everything works in 4k now and I'm getting my full 60FPS and I'm having so much fun.hell is us is an extreme outlier when it comes to performance. and the rx 6600 isn't meant to run games at 4k period.
you can probably still play most of the games on steam at 60fps+ on medium settings. high if you play at 1440p instead.
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This is getting out of hand. The other day I saw the requirements for "Hell is Us" game and it's ridiculous. My RX6600 can't play anything anymore. I've downloaded several PS3 ROMs and now I'm playing old games. So much better than this insanity. This is probably what I'm going to be doing now, play old games.
Edit: I wanted to edit the post for more context and to vent/rant a little.
I don't want to say I made a mistake, but I buy everything used, and I have scored a good deal on two 27" 4k monitors from Facebook marketplace. Got both monitors for $120.
They're $800 on Amazon used. Great monitors and I love 4k. I also bought an RX6600 AMD GPU for $100 from Facebook. It was almost new. The owner upgraded and wanted to get rid of it. My whole build was very cheap compared to what I see some folks get (genuinely happy for those who can afford it. Life is too short. Enjoy it while you can).
I can't afford these high end GPUs, but now very few games work on low settings and I'd get something like 20 FPS max. My friend gave me access to his steam library and I wanted to play Indiana Jones the other day, and it was an "omfg, wtf is this horrible shit" moment.
I'm so sick of this shit!I don't regret buying any of these, but man it sucks that the games I want to play barely even work.
So, now I'm emulating and it's actually pretty awesome. I've missed out on so many games in my youth so now I'm just going to catch up on what I've missed out on. Everything works in 4k now and I'm getting my full 60FPS and I'm having so much fun.Hey man, I agree with you on principle but the fact is that you're trying to run new AAA games with an older card at 4K.
Time marches on, and graphics demands have changed. Newer cards are built differently and games are (albeit poorly) designed to utilize the new hardware.
6600 is a fine card but yeah, you're going to have to compromise somewhere. A lot of good advice here to tap into older games, or you can spend $180 and buy a good 1440p monitor and see if that opens up your options as well.
You're hermit crabbing into used parts on the cheap which is great, but if you're not willing to pay a pound of flesh for a new card then you're going to have to settle for reduced performance - it's that simple. Otherwise what's the point of making better hardware, if nothing takes advantage of it?
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This is getting out of hand. The other day I saw the requirements for "Hell is Us" game and it's ridiculous. My RX6600 can't play anything anymore. I've downloaded several PS3 ROMs and now I'm playing old games. So much better than this insanity. This is probably what I'm going to be doing now, play old games.
Edit: I wanted to edit the post for more context and to vent/rant a little.
I don't want to say I made a mistake, but I buy everything used, and I have scored a good deal on two 27" 4k monitors from Facebook marketplace. Got both monitors for $120.
They're $800 on Amazon used. Great monitors and I love 4k. I also bought an RX6600 AMD GPU for $100 from Facebook. It was almost new. The owner upgraded and wanted to get rid of it. My whole build was very cheap compared to what I see some folks get (genuinely happy for those who can afford it. Life is too short. Enjoy it while you can).
I can't afford these high end GPUs, but now very few games work on low settings and I'd get something like 20 FPS max. My friend gave me access to his steam library and I wanted to play Indiana Jones the other day, and it was an "omfg, wtf is this horrible shit" moment.
I'm so sick of this shit!I don't regret buying any of these, but man it sucks that the games I want to play barely even work.
So, now I'm emulating and it's actually pretty awesome. I've missed out on so many games in my youth so now I'm just going to catch up on what I've missed out on. Everything works in 4k now and I'm getting my full 60FPS and I'm having so much fun.I've been a PC gamer for almost 30 years now. This perpetual march of buying new PC upgrades to play new games is an old song.
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I don't smoke. Also, playing PS3 games on RPCS3 has very little to do with my GPU, it's mostly the CPU, and I have a decent CPU, Ryzen 7 5700G. Also, your comment has some contradictions and doesn't make much sense, no offense. lol
wrote last edited by [email protected]I'd like to know what those contradictions are, if you'll indulge me. Sorry if my comment was confusing, I added some paragraph breaks to make it easier to read and fixed a typo.
What I don't get about your setup is how you have such a powerful CPU, but don't get an equally powerful GPU?
It seems more than anything your system just isn't balanced for demands of modern gaming (very GPU centric).
My old PC with a Ryzen 2700X, or hell - even a Ryzen 1600 that I originally built it with, but paired with an RTX 3090 instead of an AMD GPU, would handily outdo yours at most gaming tasks, even 4K gaming is just about doable on such a setup.
I understand that GPU prices are shit, but in light of that the best approach is to spend as little as possible on everything else.
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This is getting out of hand. The other day I saw the requirements for "Hell is Us" game and it's ridiculous. My RX6600 can't play anything anymore. I've downloaded several PS3 ROMs and now I'm playing old games. So much better than this insanity. This is probably what I'm going to be doing now, play old games.
Edit: I wanted to edit the post for more context and to vent/rant a little.
I don't want to say I made a mistake, but I buy everything used, and I have scored a good deal on two 27" 4k monitors from Facebook marketplace. Got both monitors for $120.
They're $800 on Amazon used. Great monitors and I love 4k. I also bought an RX6600 AMD GPU for $100 from Facebook. It was almost new. The owner upgraded and wanted to get rid of it. My whole build was very cheap compared to what I see some folks get (genuinely happy for those who can afford it. Life is too short. Enjoy it while you can).
I can't afford these high end GPUs, but now very few games work on low settings and I'd get something like 20 FPS max. My friend gave me access to his steam library and I wanted to play Indiana Jones the other day, and it was an "omfg, wtf is this horrible shit" moment.
I'm so sick of this shit!I don't regret buying any of these, but man it sucks that the games I want to play barely even work.
So, now I'm emulating and it's actually pretty awesome. I've missed out on so many games in my youth so now I'm just going to catch up on what I've missed out on. Everything works in 4k now and I'm getting my full 60FPS and I'm having so much fun.wrote last edited by [email protected]Idk man, I bought Sol Cesto yesterday, and I'm pretty sure my toaster could run it
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RX 6600, two 4k monitors
Bruh. I have a 3080 Ti and barely feel comfortable running my games in 2k. I'm pretty sure the 6600 was made with only 1080p and lower in mind.
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Using 1440p for 20 years doesn't mean 4k is a scam
It is a scam if you're buying 27" monitors like op. You can only cram so much dpi in a monitor before you get diminishing returns. I've been playing in 1440p, 27" for a while, and can barely see the pixels if I put my eyes 10 cm away from the screen (and I've been playing arma reforger, so there's been a lot of squinting at bushes through a high-powered scope lately).
I've also used a 4k, 32" screen for a long time at work (in gamedev, so I wasn't looking at excel files either... Well, actually I also was but that's besides the point) and couldn't really tell the difference with my home setup on that front (though I admit 32" at 1440p doesn't look great sometimes, I also tried that for a while). Really, the most noticeable things were the HDR and the ludicrous fps I could get from having a top-of-the-line CPU and GPU (and 128 Go RAM also helped a bit I guess)
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Idk man, I bought Sol Cesto yesterday, and I'm pretty sure my toaster could run it
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RX 6600, two 4k monitors
Bruh. I have a 3080 Ti and barely feel comfortable running my games in 2k. I'm pretty sure the 6600 was made with only 1080p and lower in mind.
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. I know, dude. That's my whole point. Why do WE have to bear the burden of optimizing the game? Why don't the developers optimize their games? It's bonkers the game "hell is us" listed the 4090 as a minimum requirement to run 4k ar 30 fps. I was like wut? -
I'd like to know what those contradictions are, if you'll indulge me. Sorry if my comment was confusing, I added some paragraph breaks to make it easier to read and fixed a typo.
What I don't get about your setup is how you have such a powerful CPU, but don't get an equally powerful GPU?
It seems more than anything your system just isn't balanced for demands of modern gaming (very GPU centric).
My old PC with a Ryzen 2700X, or hell - even a Ryzen 1600 that I originally built it with, but paired with an RTX 3090 instead of an AMD GPU, would handily outdo yours at most gaming tasks, even 4K gaming is just about doable on such a setup.
I understand that GPU prices are shit, but in light of that the best approach is to spend as little as possible on everything else.
What I don't get about your setup is how you have such a powerful CPU, but don't get an equally powerful GPU?
That's the part that cleared everything up for me (it could be me as English isn't my first language lol). I apologize. As for my CPU, I got it on sale for $120 and ran it for around 6 months without a dGPU, until I got an RX580 for free from a friend for around half a year then "upgraded" to my RX6600 that I got from Facebook for $100. That's why I have a weaker GPU and a decent CPU. Hope that clears things up now.
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Hey man, I agree with you on principle but the fact is that you're trying to run new AAA games with an older card at 4K.
Time marches on, and graphics demands have changed. Newer cards are built differently and games are (albeit poorly) designed to utilize the new hardware.
6600 is a fine card but yeah, you're going to have to compromise somewhere. A lot of good advice here to tap into older games, or you can spend $180 and buy a good 1440p monitor and see if that opens up your options as well.
You're hermit crabbing into used parts on the cheap which is great, but if you're not willing to pay a pound of flesh for a new card then you're going to have to settle for reduced performance - it's that simple. Otherwise what's the point of making better hardware, if nothing takes advantage of it?
I agree with you. That's why I moved to emulation and playing old games. I don't want to stress my budget for something I don't need. I've been emulating PS3 games and they've been running fantastic. Cheers
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. I know, dude. That's my whole point. Why do WE have to bear the burden of optimizing the game? Why don't the developers optimize their games? It's bonkers the game "hell is us" listed the 4090 as a minimum requirement to run 4k ar 30 fps. I was like wut?
It's not bonkers though. Fill rate (the time it takes to render all the pixels your monitor is displaying) is a massive issue with ever increasingly photo realistic games because you can't rely on any simple tricks to optimize the rendering pipeline, because there is so much details on the screen that every single pixel can potentially completely change at any given moment, and also be very different from its neighbors (hence the popularity of temporal upscalers like DLSS, because extrapolating from the previous frame(s) is really the last trick that still kind of works. Emphasis on "kind of")
If you don't want to sell a kidney to buy a good GPU for high resolutions, do yourself a favor and try to get a 1440p monitor, you'll have a much easier time running high end games. Or run your games at a lower res but it usually looks bad.
I personally experienced this firsthand when I upgraded to 1440p from 1080p a while ago, suddenly none of my games could run at max settings in my native resolution, even though it was perfectly fine before. Also saw the same problem in bigger proportions when I replaced my 1440p monitor with a 4k one at work and we hadn't received the new GPUs yet.
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Because investors realized that gaming is lucrative and leads society. You think it's a coincidence that Valve created basically the first successful digital distribution platforms and now every entertainment medium followed their model? Do you think microprocessors need to be that good on phones for Web browsing? AI compute hardware came from gaming gpu technology. The software originally made for and tested on games.
But, like music publishers trying to push the newest and latest and greatest music on us, only to have you realize that "oh yeah, 80s music actually kicks ass" and "oh fuck, 50s music WAS neat" or if you have or when you do "holy shit classical is actually amazing and lasted for literally hundreds of years whereas current pop music is constantly only like 2 years old"...
...Like music in that way, old games don't just magically become irrelevant and bad, despite what pop culture may try to tell us. Compatibility may be the biggest issue, but a lot of old games are legitimately better than newer ones (a lot of old games were bad too). It's all the social and technical evolution of the medium, and once you start being able to look at it that way - once that perspective and vibe catches on a bit more - I think gaming will be healthier.
Don't spend 700 bucks. The game will still be there. Wait. Play fun things now that you can, and if when it's economically playable for you it's still fun, then it'll still be fun. There are far too many games right now to even seriously consider fomo for anything but the MOST socially important games, and those are few and far between, and usually very easy to run.
You're doing fine.
Don't look at how much 5090s cost in like Australia or some other countries.
Absolutely spot on. It needs a personal change. A change in mentality, the way we think of entertainment, games in this case. We need to stop believing these profit hungry people and stop chasing after those "shadows" and "highlights" and every single detail in games. When you enjoy a game, you won't even notice all those "details". You're not going to be running around in a game looking at trees and sunlight. I guarantee you that it all becomes blur in the background and you won't even care about it. It's all a collective anxiety they've trained us into. Chasing after those fps numbers and details is what got us hooked to their exorbitant prices and shit performance. It was somewhat a wakeup call for me, if you wanna call it that. I just got tired of stressing about my hardware, that's totally fine and capable, not playing their shit and poorly optimized games. Then come those who defend corporations and berate you for "choosing the wrong resolution". Why? I like 4k. It looks nice. Why do I have to bear the burden of their poorly optimized games. They ARE 100% more than capable of optimizing their games to run on 4k ON MY RX6600, but they don't want to. They're lazy. It won't make them enough money. It won't squeeze the last penny out of our pockets. They're also listening to Nvidia. Of course Nvidia wants us to believe that games are "so good" nowadays that we need their top of the line $3000 GPU to play them on 4k. How dare we peasants play on 4k on a non $3000 GPU? Blasphemy!!! Fuck'em. At least there are still folks like you out there who understand this bullshit and don't bootlick.
