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Hytale, once touted as the Minecraft killer, is ceasing development

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  • zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zoneZ [email protected]

    Literally never heard of it before today.

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    The announcement trailer has over 61 million views so that's impressive

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      Well it never was a Minecraft killer and was never really going to be either.

      Luanti (formerly Minetest) is the Minecraft killer

      https://www.luanti.org/

      It is such a superior experience compared to Minecraft.

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      Clicked on this thread purely to see if someone would bring up Minetest/Luanti. Glad to hear it seems to be going well.

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      • tonytins@pawb.socialT [email protected]

        After being in development for over 10 years, Hytale, a sandbox game from the Hypixel Studios team with support from Riot, has officially been cancelled. Hypixel Studios' CEO, Noxy, announced the cancellation on X on June 23, with the official Hytale forums following suit.

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        The problem with making a Minecraft game is that people who like Minecraft will be upset that it’s not like Minecraft and people who don’t like Minecraft will be upset that it’s like Minecraft. Both groups will be excited about it until it’s released.

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        • zos_kia@lemmynsfw.comZ [email protected]

          The irony of these projects is that they only seem to appeal to people who don't really like Minecraft, or used to like older versions but not recent ones. They have zero traction among active Minecraft players.

          I've tried most of them and honestly they don't hold a candle to the original - not that they are bad games, but rather they entirely miss the point of modern Minecraft and why it is so appealling to so many people. Although (some vocal fraction of) the community likes to nitpick every single detail of every single update, it is an incredibly well designed game.

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          Curious what the point of modern Minecraft is, and what part is appealing to modern people. I pop on sometimes purely because friends are playing, and it can be fun, and somehow I don't think this is what you mean. Well, people do play for fun, but you are probably thinking of a more specific thing that makes it fun.

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          • zos_kia@lemmynsfw.comZ [email protected]

            What would you want to see different?

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            On the spot, I'd say a fix for anvil mechanics.

            Remove the XP cost increment upon repairing items, so that Mending is not an end-game necessity anymore.

            Personally I'd say we could use an extra row in the inventory, but I can see why someone would think that's too radical.

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            • glog78@digitalcourage.socialG [email protected]

              @BarbecueCowboy @tonytins

              I would also think that https://www.vintagestory.at/ is in a good shape to compete for a great minecraft like game 😉

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              Also clicked this post to see if someone would bring up Vintage Story. (Other reason was to see if someone brought up Luanti/Minetest.)

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              • tonytins@pawb.socialT [email protected]

                After being in development for over 10 years, Hytale, a sandbox game from the Hypixel Studios team with support from Riot, has officially been cancelled. Hypixel Studios' CEO, Noxy, announced the cancellation on X on June 23, with the official Hytale forums following suit.

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                Does anyone remember Yogventures?

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                • B [email protected]

                  There's been a rumor floating around that it never existed as a game anyways and that the footage they do have is faked. It's definitely a bit out there, but with the way they've acted about it, I kinda believe it.

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                  From videos it seemed like they had an engine that worked. I feel it's more likely the clips where very cherry picked and massive issues existed just out of frame and time.

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                  • B [email protected]

                    Well it never was a Minecraft killer and was never really going to be either.

                    Luanti (formerly Minetest) is the Minecraft killer

                    https://www.luanti.org/

                    It is such a superior experience compared to Minecraft.

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                    Vintagestory is my Minecraft killer, but it’s also get very different item/tech progression, so probably not perfect for many (former) Minecraft fans.

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                    • tonytins@pawb.socialT [email protected]

                      After being in development for over 10 years, Hytale, a sandbox game from the Hypixel Studios team with support from Riot, has officially been cancelled. Hypixel Studios' CEO, Noxy, announced the cancellation on X on June 23, with the official Hytale forums following suit.

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                      What a joke. Development for 10 years and you just cancel it like a fart in the wind. I'd be utterly ashamed at that kind of mismanagement.

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                        I love reading a basic text article on the modern internet...

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                        "We are legion."

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                        • arkhive@lemmy.blahaj.zoneA [email protected]

                          Vintagestory is my Minecraft killer, but it’s also get very different item/tech progression, so probably not perfect for many (former) Minecraft fans.

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                          Is there a good overview of the progression somewhere? I vaguely remember buying it a while ago, but couldn't really get into it.

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                          • sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.comS [email protected]

                            On the spot, I'd say a fix for anvil mechanics.

                            Remove the XP cost increment upon repairing items, so that Mending is not an end-game necessity anymore.

                            Personally I'd say we could use an extra row in the inventory, but I can see why someone would think that's too radical.

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                            Remove the XP cost increment upon repairing items, so that Mending is not an end-game necessity anymore

                            Yeah i see your point, it can get frustrating at first. Personally i don't hate it, getting to keep your tools forever is an endgame perk and as such, it needs a bit of organization and knowledge. You'll have to have at least some basic villager breeding (for a Mending librarian), and some basic farms (auto-furnace for XP generation & storage, or just some mob farm).

                            That's kind of why i think the game is well designed. To get endgame perks you need to interact with different game mechanics at least on a surface level, it's great for discoverability and inspiration.

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                              Curious what the point of modern Minecraft is, and what part is appealing to modern people. I pop on sometimes purely because friends are playing, and it can be fun, and somehow I don't think this is what you mean. Well, people do play for fun, but you are probably thinking of a more specific thing that makes it fun.

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                              I think what makes the game great is that it contains a number of game mechanics, which are all interlocked and play nice together. That gives it enormous versatility. You can be a nomad explorer, or a builder who stays at base and never sees a hostile mob. You can be a redstone engineer, or a farmer accumulating insane amounts of resources. You can create map art and barter with other map artists on the server. You can hunt bases and either grief them or contact their owners and get to know their history. You can play mini games on commercial servers or code your own mods and play PvA (player vs admin) on anarchy servers.

                              You can find the exact combo and dosage that fits your playstyle, then switch gears a couple months later and turn the game on its head. I don't know of many games with that kind of variety.

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                              • zos_kia@lemmynsfw.comZ [email protected]

                                Remove the XP cost increment upon repairing items, so that Mending is not an end-game necessity anymore

                                Yeah i see your point, it can get frustrating at first. Personally i don't hate it, getting to keep your tools forever is an endgame perk and as such, it needs a bit of organization and knowledge. You'll have to have at least some basic villager breeding (for a Mending librarian), and some basic farms (auto-furnace for XP generation & storage, or just some mob farm).

                                That's kind of why i think the game is well designed. To get endgame perks you need to interact with different game mechanics at least on a surface level, it's great for discoverability and inspiration.

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                                Thing is, at some point you get the endgame infinite-weapon perk by aggressively working against developer intent; the zombification exploit is an exploit (unless they fixed it? idk I haven't played since before the update with the warden), setting up a farm with the desired villagers is an absolute chore AND Mojang made it worse by limiting Mending to swamp villagers (again, idk if that is still true).

                                By having a repair XP cost increment, you basically make endgame-enchanted items impossible to repair at all, and they're so tedious to create in the first place that you can't just forget about having mending.

                                You can live without them, but then you're either speedrunning the game, playing creative mode with less perks, or never using powerful gear because of the "I'll just keep it for when I need it" phenomenon.
                                So, enchanted items are an afterthought to a niche of players, and an annoyance to the majority.

                                Don't get me wrong: my problem with the current(?) system is not with resource farms themselved, it's with the gear progression being based on tedium and anti-tedium exploits.
                                Just thinking about the fact that I'd have to spend way more time enchanting my stuff than using it, makes me not want to get back to it.

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