Yet again, your response was "if they didn't want to get harassed by the people who totally aren't with us, they shouldn't have crossed us"

Yet again, we lived through all this shit with gamergate.

• The EU Citizens petition to stop killing games is not looking good. It's shy of halfway where it needs to be, on a very high threshold, and it's over in a month and change.
• paraphrasing a little more than a half hour of the video: "Man, fuck Thor/Pirate Software for either lying or misunderstanding and signal boosting his incorrect interpretation of the campaign."
• The past year has been quite draining on Ross, so he's done campaigning after next month.
• It will still take a few years for the dust to clear at various consumer protection bureaus in 5 different countries, and the UK's seems to be run by old men who don't understand what's going on.
• At least The Crew 2 and Motorfest will get offline modes as a consolation prize?

There is a reason that there are regularly listicles about "top 1000 horrifically angry comments on github" and the like. And that goes up even more when you are working on a closed source product and have been up and pounding through tickets for 26 hours straight.

Not to mention proprietary or re-used code. Like... I think Call of Duty is STILL technically the quake 3 engine if you go deep enough into the source code? And while Q3a (presumably licensed at some point since it is GPL from a google) is open source, there is going to be a lot of code in there that isn't. It is very common to use other libraries and suddenly needing to open source your account management system because one of your games is dead in the water is a huge problem. ESPECIALLY if the goal is so that "fans" can... reverse engineer it to build their own servers (and nobody would EVER profit from one of those...).

And then you just have the kind of "spirit of the law" shit that Apple et al love to abuse. Is that game fundamentally unplayable "offline" because it did REALLY cool stuff with sharding so that players can drop in and out of a game seamlessly? Or is it a bunch of phone homes for every single achievement for a fully SP game? Because that would NEVER happen.

thor was saying “this isn’t feasible because it’s a bunch of extra work for the developers”, completely missing the point that this is not on the developers. it’s on the company sitting on the IP.

Which can be the difference between "Okay, we'll give you two months to get this shit popular again" versus "Well, it is going to cost X engineering hours to clean up the source so we are just gonna kill it now and get on that. Oh, and if the source isn't cleaned up within, let's say, one month, that is a breach of contract and none of your team gets severance"

The other aspect this tends to ignore is the use of proprietary software libraries and even having expert consultants come out. My understanding is nVidia have mostly stopped doing it (for gaming) but for decades they would fly out a solution engineer or five to look at the game, help optimize the graphics and physics pipelines, and even document what needs to be added to the drivers on release.

Not all of those contractors who have ever touched the code are going to be okay with it being released. Since this would be the equivalent of having potentially entire mega companies worth of software libraries and the like change their license overnight.

I think the initiative just ran out of steam. I remember seeeing it everywhere for the first month or so, and then nothing, and it plateaued around where it is now. Maybe the vast majority of EU gamers just can't be arsed to read and sign a petition like this. I mean most can't even vote with their wallet when a shit game releases. And of course it's fun to blame thor/pirateguy for this ( and they probably did have their share of fault ) but in the end it looks like 500k is the amount of gamers that actually give a fuck about the state of things.

He also got word that at least one very large YouTuber/streamer that he did not name decided to stay quiet about SKG because it would have contradicted Thor.

So, Asmongold. Got it!

He's opposed to it. He speaks with a very clam, professional voice, so people like to believe him. I get skeeved out by it personally. Honestly, we shouldn't be taking advice from former Blizzard dev anyway. Nothing that comes from that company has ever been respectful to players or even human decency.

He's opposed to it. He speaks with a very clam, professional voice, so people like to believe him. I get skeeved out by it personally. Honestly, we shouldn't be taking advice from former Blizzard dev anyway. Nothing that comes from that company has ever been respectful to players or even human decency.

He's so polite!

What happened ? I'm out of the loop on this one

Sorry, I went to sleep not long after I made that comment. I see I was beaten to it but, he was just so dramatically crass and rude when introduced to the movement, and said mean shit about Ross, the guy behind the movement, calling him gross, a greasy used car salesman, saying "he can eat my whole ass". And after all of that, he refused to speak to Ross and continued to make 2 entire youtube videos, and some livestreams about shit talking the movement, fuck that snotty little prick.

Fuck whoever stayed quiet then

"Oh no, I might contradict the annoying moron who is wrong! I can't be seen as being on the opposite of that!"

that was sort of the point though. a big case with a narrow focus can later be used as a fulcrum for a wider scope, given that the original case has the right spin. it's also easier than going after the anti-repair people.

But politicians will actually be prepared to get behind right to repair. But they regard games as a bit infantile, and don't really want to be involved. A point that was made right at the start of all of this and was then completely ignored.

Typical Blizzard dev BS

that's an assumption. for all we know they would have connected the two, or seen one as harmless and implemented it, or lobbied against both.

People are already talking about to right to repair, so why not take advantage of that, why make life more difficult for yourself than it needs to be?

Ross is pretty great, give the game dungeon a go.

• The EU Citizens petition to stop killing games is not looking good. It's shy of halfway where it needs to be, on a very high threshold, and it's over in a month and change.
• paraphrasing a little more than a half hour of the video: "Man, fuck Thor/Pirate Software for either lying or misunderstanding and signal boosting his incorrect interpretation of the campaign."
• The past year has been quite draining on Ross, so he's done campaigning after next month.
• It will still take a few years for the dust to clear at various consumer protection bureaus in 5 different countries, and the UK's seems to be run by old men who don't understand what's going on.
• At least The Crew 2 and Motorfest will get offline modes as a consolation prize?

I've always thought that the only solution to this problem is being able to reverse engineering central servers and thus being effectively being able to pirate online only games.

Sorry, I went to sleep not long after I made that comment. I see I was beaten to it but, he was just so dramatically crass and rude when introduced to the movement, and said mean shit about Ross, the guy behind the movement, calling him gross, a greasy used car salesman, saying "he can eat my whole ass". And after all of that, he refused to speak to Ross and continued to make 2 entire youtube videos, and some livestreams about shit talking the movement, fuck that snotty little prick.