The end of Stop Killing Games [Accursed Farms]
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I think the initiative just ran out of steam. I remember seeeing it everywhere for the first month or so, and then nothing, and it plateaued around where it is now. Maybe the vast majority of EU gamers just can't be arsed to read and sign a petition like this. I mean most can't even vote with their wallet when a shit game releases. And of course it's fun to blame thor/pirateguy for this ( and they probably did have their share of fault ) but in the end it looks like 500k is the amount of gamers that actually give a fuck about the state of things.
It just didn't reach enough people, no one I know that is not on Reddit and Lemmy even heard about it or understood the problem to begin with, on top of that, most "gamers" are playstation players that don't know anything about these problems or care for that matter.
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He also got word that at least one very large YouTuber/streamer that he did not name decided to stay quiet about SKG because it would have contradicted Thor.
So, Asmongold. Got it!
Actually Asmongold was one of the biggest names in support of SKG.
Broken clocks are right twice a day.
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He's opposed to it. He speaks with a very clam, professional voice, so people like to believe him. I get skeeved out by it personally. Honestly, we shouldn't be taking advice from former Blizzard dev anyway. Nothing that comes from that company has ever been respectful to players or even human decency.
I would like to thank you because, I immediately fell in love with the website you recommended.
It's mainly because they use RSS.
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He's opposed to it. He speaks with a very clam, professional voice, so people like to believe him. I get skeeved out by it personally. Honestly, we shouldn't be taking advice from former Blizzard dev anyway. Nothing that comes from that company has ever been respectful to players or even human decency.
Don't forget he's also (allegedly) a nepo hire
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He's so polite!
Ross is pretty great, give the game dungeon a go.
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What happened ? I'm out of the loop on this one
Sorry, I went to sleep not long after I made that comment. I see I was beaten to it but, he was just so dramatically crass and rude when introduced to the movement, and said mean shit about Ross, the guy behind the movement, calling him gross, a greasy used car salesman, saying "he can eat my whole ass". And after all of that, he refused to speak to Ross and continued to make 2 entire youtube videos, and some livestreams about shit talking the movement, fuck that snotty little prick.
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Sorry, I went to sleep not long after I made that comment. I see I was beaten to it but, he was just so dramatically crass and rude when introduced to the movement, and said mean shit about Ross, the guy behind the movement, calling him gross, a greasy used car salesman, saying "he can eat my whole ass". And after all of that, he refused to speak to Ross and continued to make 2 entire youtube videos, and some livestreams about shit talking the movement, fuck that snotty little prick.
Typical Blizzard dev BS
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Fuck whoever stayed quiet then
"Oh no, I might contradict the annoying moron who is wrong! I can't be seen as being on the opposite of that!"
Man, so many influencers do this. It's really a shame what kind of world we are building. People who actually have reach - influencers, staying quiet about real issues in fear of cutting the hand that feeds them. Off topic but damn if it doesn't hold true.
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that was sort of the point though. a big case with a narrow focus can later be used as a fulcrum for a wider scope, given that the original case has the right spin. it's also easier than going after the anti-repair people.
But politicians will actually be prepared to get behind right to repair. But they regard games as a bit infantile, and don't really want to be involved. A point that was made right at the start of all of this and was then completely ignored.
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But politicians will actually be prepared to get behind right to repair. But they regard games as a bit infantile, and don't really want to be involved. A point that was made right at the start of all of this and was then completely ignored.
that's an assumption. for all we know they would have connected the two, or seen one as harmless and implemented it, or lobbied against both.
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Typical Blizzard dev BS
"You think you do, but you don't!"
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that's an assumption. for all we know they would have connected the two, or seen one as harmless and implemented it, or lobbied against both.
People are already talking about to right to repair, so why not take advantage of that, why make life more difficult for yourself than it needs to be?
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People are already talking about to right to repair, so why not take advantage of that, why make life more difficult for yourself than it needs to be?
because to most people software is not a thing that can be repaired.
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Ross is pretty great, give the game dungeon a go.
One of my favorite youtubers for over a decade now.
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- The EU Citizens petition to stop killing games is not looking good. It's shy of halfway where it needs to be, on a very high threshold, and it's over in a month and change.
- paraphrasing a little more than a half hour of the video: "Man, fuck Thor/Pirate Software for either lying or misunderstanding and signal boosting his incorrect interpretation of the campaign."
- The past year has been quite draining on Ross, so he's done campaigning after next month.
- It will still take a few years for the dust to clear at various consumer protection bureaus in 5 different countries, and the UK's seems to be run by old men who don't understand what's going on.
- At least The Crew 2 and Motorfest will get offline modes as a consolation prize?
I've always thought that the only solution to this problem is being able to reverse engineering central servers and thus being effectively being able to pirate online only games.
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I've always thought that the only solution to this problem is being able to reverse engineering central servers and thus being effectively being able to pirate online only games.
It's an unreliable solution, because there's no guarantee that even dedicated and talented individuals will be able to reverse engineer every online server, if that game has those individuals in its customer base in the first place. The solution seems to be either legislation, which this campaign is seeking, or for the market to outright reject online-only games, which it isn't doing. I don't even really have an alternative to online-only games in some genres, like FPS for instance, to send my dollars toward instead; sports games are in a similar position, since the sports organizations all signed exclusivity contracts.
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Sorry, I went to sleep not long after I made that comment. I see I was beaten to it but, he was just so dramatically crass and rude when introduced to the movement, and said mean shit about Ross, the guy behind the movement, calling him gross, a greasy used car salesman, saying "he can eat my whole ass". And after all of that, he refused to speak to Ross and continued to make 2 entire youtube videos, and some livestreams about shit talking the movement, fuck that snotty little prick.
Calling one of the most polite, succinct and eager to explain themselves YouTubers a greasy used car salesman is just an automatic red flag, just unbelievably skeevy behavior from him.
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I've always thought that the only solution to this problem is being able to reverse engineering central servers and thus being effectively being able to pirate online only games.
Ross mentions reverse engineering towards the end of the vid so it's definitely top of mind now for the future of the initiative, bar rebooting it with someone else. Agreed that it's really the only alternative when the industry is as steeped in back alley deals and skeevy dishonest commentary as it is.
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I've always thought that the only solution to this problem is being able to reverse engineering central servers and thus being effectively being able to pirate online only games.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Reverse engineering the server is reverse engineering the whole game. It's going to require skilled engineers and a significant time investment. It may be possible, but not practical.
Also, the client will likely verify it is talking to a legitimate server by checking a certificate, so you may also have to hack the client too.
At some point you're better off making your own game with hookers and blackjack.
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It's an unreliable solution, because there's no guarantee that even dedicated and talented individuals will be able to reverse engineer every online server, if that game has those individuals in its customer base in the first place. The solution seems to be either legislation, which this campaign is seeking, or for the market to outright reject online-only games, which it isn't doing. I don't even really have an alternative to online-only games in some genres, like FPS for instance, to send my dollars toward instead; sports games are in a similar position, since the sports organizations all signed exclusivity contracts.
The solution is legislation, as without that, we can't expect companies to decide to release either the executables or source code for running the servers, other than a handful looking to get some attention and goodwill.
