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  3. I would still download a car if I could. 🚗

I would still download a car if I could. 🚗

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  • A [email protected]

    Well, can I still give you a fuck? In the case you not have any left?

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    #178

    Idk... Storage, upkeep, anti-theft... Seems like a lot of work.

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    • S [email protected]

      They didn’t license the font that they used…

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      They were hit by a lawsuit for the music too.

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        Which group would that be then?

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        Places that buy other companies to dismantle or lay off large chunks of staff and take over IP with minimal or absent quality to show from it. Just maximize that investor dollar.

        Microsoft, Disney etc.

        The harm performed far outweighs any investment from a "toward the artists" I see come back.

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        • K [email protected]

          Disclosure: I have been sailing the seas for years, but...

          This logic does no justice to the objective financial harm being done to the creators/owners of valuable data/content/media.

          The original creator/owner is at a loss when data is copied. The intent of that data is to be copied for profit. Now that the data has been copied against the creator/owners will, they do not receive the profit from that copy.

          Yes yes the argument is made that the pirate would not have bought the copy anyways, but having free copies of the content available on the internet decreases the desire for people to obtain paid copies of the data. At the very least it gives people an option not to pay for the data, which is not what the creator wanted in creating it.
          They are entitled to fair compensation to their work.

          It is true that pirating is not directly theft, but it does definitely take away from the creator's/distributor's profit.

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          This logic does no justice to the objective financial harm being done to the creators/owners of valuable data/content/media.

          "Financial harm" is a loaded term. People expected to make money and then didn't, but is that a bad thing?

          What if the US president declared that it is now a legal requirement that every American subscribe to a new paid tier of Facebook, and that declaration was rubber stamped by the lawmakers. Anybody who didn't capitulate would be doing "financial harm" to Meta, but is that really a fair way to frame that? If a bully wants your lunch money and you resist, are you doing "financial harm" to the bully?

          The way I see things, the initial copyright laws were a relatively fair trade: a 14 year monopoly on something, that could be renewed for another 14 years if the author was still alive. In exchange, everything after that term became part of the public domain. So, it would encourage people to produce writing, and the public would benefit because a reasonable amount of time later what was produced would be available to everybody at no cost. Modern copyright terms are a massive give-away to Hollywood, the record labels, etc. So, while it's true that infringing copyright does reduce the potential amount of money a copyright holder might hope to receive, morally it's closer to fighting off a bully than it is to theft.

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          • sayjess@lemmy.blahaj.zoneS [email protected]

            Oh my lord you are so dense. I don’t give a fuck why people do the things that they do. But these justifications are garbage. Again, just say “I don’t feel like paying for it”. That is it.

            Steal bread because one can’t afford it? That really sucks. It is still stealing. Does it make people right or wrong? Well, in this case I think most people would understand.

            And no, stealing bread for sustenance is in no way shape or form remotely comparable to downloading a movie or song. Are we all entitled to the all of the things in life that help us get through the monotony of existence? How about independent documentaries, where every dollar counts to the creators? Are you entitled to those?

            At the end of the day, someone/studio spent hours/days/years working on the art that you feel like you deserve to have because you cannot afford it or whatever bullshit reason you want to conjure. It’s still piracy, and is still wrong.

            If someone were to download my music, that I’ve spent multiple hours and days creating and editing, without paying, I’d be justifiably upset. If I release my music on a site like Bandcamp, it is because I’d like to enjoy some sort of benefit for my hard work. I don’t care what someone’s excuse is for pirating my work. It is not theirs, they do not get to decide that I don’t deserve to be paid. If I wanted the world to hear it for free, I’d release it on a platform where it is free. That is my, as the creator of the art, prerogative. It just so happens that I put it on platforms where people can hear it, with ads or subscription, which I deem to be fair. But outright downloading it deprives me of streams and ad revenue. I don’t fucking care what the excuse is. My art is not free. I understand why some artists get upset.

            Does this make me a hypocrite? I suppose it does. I am doing wrong as well. I just don’t try to hide behind some sort of bullshit excuse. Just own up to it.

            Perceived moral failings

            Fuck off. I’m not judging anyone. Just merely stating facts. Piracy is piracy, no matter what way someone wants to spin it. Is it wrong? Yes. Am I wrong when I do it? Absolutely. I choose not to justify it.

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            Does it make people right or wrong? Well, in this case I think most people would understand.

            Most people sure. You though? You don't give a fuck why people do the things that they do, remember?

            And no, stealing bread for sustenance is in no way shape or form remotely comparable to downloading a movie or song.

            You are right, because in the case of stealing, the person has deprived the owner of that bread. If the hungry person was able to copy the bread and leave the original bread untouched for the owner to eat, it would literally harm no one. Even if that person owned the 'intellectual property' of that bread.

            If someone were to download my music blah blah blah

            You don't give a single fuck what someones reason is for doing what they do, yet you expect people to give fucks about what you value. It works both ways.

            It’s still piracy,

            No it isn't. Piracy is robbery or other serious acts of violence committed at sea. "Piracy" is a name some 'clever' lawyer or corporate exec coined to convince people that breaking copyright laws was equivalent to violent crime.

            and is still wrong.

            Who died and made you arbiter of 'right' and 'wrong'? Was it your 'lord'?

            Does this make me a hypocrite? I suppose it does.

            Of course it does, I thought that was understood. What it doesn't make is other people hypocrites for breaking your own personal moral code.

            I just don’t try to hide behind some sort of bullshit excuse.

            Who is trying to hide? I have not made a single excuse, and I wont because I don't believe it's wrong like you do.

            Just own up to it.

            Own up to what? To crossing Jessica's line in the sand? Sure, I'll own up to that. Fuck your line. I piss on your line.

            I’m not judging anyone.

            You clearly are lmfao. "What you are doing is wrong and nothing could possibly justify it, own up to it! QQ No judgment though" Fuck off with that.

            Just merely stating facts.

            Your own personal OPINION about the morality of copyright infringement is subjective. That isn't obvious?

            Am I wrong when I do it? Absolutely. I choose not to justify it.

            Sure, you happily break your own moral code and then judge others for doing something that is not against their moral code. Somehow you think the world revolves around you and that you are the arbiter of 'right and wrong'.

            I don't subscribe to your ignorant beliefs about copyright- so I'm not under the same obligation to obey them as you are.

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            • darkassassin07@lemmy.caD [email protected]

              YoU WoUlDn'T dOwNlOaD A Car!?!?!

              You're damn right I would; get me a 3D printer big enough...

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              I think most of the slate car is 3D printed, too bad it's backed by Bezos.

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              • K [email protected]

                Disclosure: I have been sailing the seas for years, but...

                This logic does no justice to the objective financial harm being done to the creators/owners of valuable data/content/media.

                The original creator/owner is at a loss when data is copied. The intent of that data is to be copied for profit. Now that the data has been copied against the creator/owners will, they do not receive the profit from that copy.

                Yes yes the argument is made that the pirate would not have bought the copy anyways, but having free copies of the content available on the internet decreases the desire for people to obtain paid copies of the data. At the very least it gives people an option not to pay for the data, which is not what the creator wanted in creating it.
                They are entitled to fair compensation to their work.

                It is true that pirating is not directly theft, but it does definitely take away from the creator's/distributor's profit.

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                The original creator/owner is at a loss when data is copied.

                No, they're not. Not earning more is not the same as losing what you already have.

                Yes yes the argument is made that the pirate would not have bought the copy anyways,

                Yet studies have shown the opposite happens.

                content available on the internet decreases the desire for people to obtain paid copies

                Does your granny know what a torrent is?

                not to pay for the data, which is not what the creatordistributor wanted in creating it.

                There, FTFY

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                  #185

                  These days (at least in my country) I can't own movies, games and watch or play them at my will

                  Companies like Netflix, Amazon are lending movies but not making them free for you. And then they wonder why piracy is rising

                  Tbh for a student like me, piracy is the only option. If buying isn't owning then piracy isn't stealing

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                  • A [email protected]

                    Eventually, yes. If everyone's needs are provided for, there is no requirement anymore to extract value from art, one can just make it and share it freely.

                    Copyright should be abolished.

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                    Disagree

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                      Does it make people right or wrong? Well, in this case I think most people would understand.

                      Most people sure. You though? You don't give a fuck why people do the things that they do, remember?

                      And no, stealing bread for sustenance is in no way shape or form remotely comparable to downloading a movie or song.

                      You are right, because in the case of stealing, the person has deprived the owner of that bread. If the hungry person was able to copy the bread and leave the original bread untouched for the owner to eat, it would literally harm no one. Even if that person owned the 'intellectual property' of that bread.

                      If someone were to download my music blah blah blah

                      You don't give a single fuck what someones reason is for doing what they do, yet you expect people to give fucks about what you value. It works both ways.

                      It’s still piracy,

                      No it isn't. Piracy is robbery or other serious acts of violence committed at sea. "Piracy" is a name some 'clever' lawyer or corporate exec coined to convince people that breaking copyright laws was equivalent to violent crime.

                      and is still wrong.

                      Who died and made you arbiter of 'right' and 'wrong'? Was it your 'lord'?

                      Does this make me a hypocrite? I suppose it does.

                      Of course it does, I thought that was understood. What it doesn't make is other people hypocrites for breaking your own personal moral code.

                      I just don’t try to hide behind some sort of bullshit excuse.

                      Who is trying to hide? I have not made a single excuse, and I wont because I don't believe it's wrong like you do.

                      Just own up to it.

                      Own up to what? To crossing Jessica's line in the sand? Sure, I'll own up to that. Fuck your line. I piss on your line.

                      I’m not judging anyone.

                      You clearly are lmfao. "What you are doing is wrong and nothing could possibly justify it, own up to it! QQ No judgment though" Fuck off with that.

                      Just merely stating facts.

                      Your own personal OPINION about the morality of copyright infringement is subjective. That isn't obvious?

                      Am I wrong when I do it? Absolutely. I choose not to justify it.

                      Sure, you happily break your own moral code and then judge others for doing something that is not against their moral code. Somehow you think the world revolves around you and that you are the arbiter of 'right and wrong'.

                      I don't subscribe to your ignorant beliefs about copyright- so I'm not under the same obligation to obey them as you are.

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                      Clearly this is not going anywhere. I completely disagree with your incessant attacks. Kindly fuck off.

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                      • M [email protected]

                        ,You can say "I think intellectual property is a dumb idea" and I'd love to hear your arguments for that,

                        Read the above comments then.

                        but to act like it isn't real just because we came up with the idea relatively recently, is just asinine.

                        Again, read my comments. I didn't say it wasn't real, I said it has no basis in human culture or history.

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                        I said it has no basis in human culture or history.

                        Not only is this incorrect, it would be meaningless even if it was accurate. What point are you even trying to make with this claim?

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                        • sayjess@lemmy.blahaj.zoneS [email protected]

                          Clearly this is not going anywhere. I completely disagree with your incessant attacks. Kindly fuck off.

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                          Of course you disagree, you completely lack the ability to even try understand anyone's point of view other than your own. It was never about trying to understand, you just want everyone else to feel as bad about themselves as you do for being a hypocritical asshole. Personally I don't do things that go against my ethics, so it won't be working on me. Kindly eat shit.

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                            Of course you disagree, you completely lack the ability to even try understand anyone's point of view other than your own. It was never about trying to understand, you just want everyone else to feel as bad about themselves as you do for being a hypocritical asshole. Personally I don't do things that go against my ethics, so it won't be working on me. Kindly eat shit.

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                            Why can’t you just fuck off? Seriously, leave me the fuck alone.

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                              Why can’t you just fuck off? Seriously, leave me the fuck alone.

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                              Maybe you shouldn't get on the internet acting like an asshole if you can't defend your position or handle people calling you out on it. Just a thought. Have a nice day.

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                                Maybe you shouldn't get on the internet acting like an asshole if you can't defend your position or handle people calling you out on it. Just a thought. Have a nice day.

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                                I don’t know how to say it any more clear. When someone says to you “leave me the fuck alone”, shut your fucking mouth and leave them alone. This is harassment at this point. I don’t give a fuck about your opinions, and your attacks on me are unwanted.

                                Leave me the fuck alone!

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                                  Real pirates steal stuff. So-called digital "piracy" isn't piracy at all. This is just propaganda for the business model that the establishment is trying to hold onto.

                                  It doesn't hurt IP holders to "pirate" their data. It is no difference to them whether you were to pirate it or to have never been born at all in the first place. Their profit is the exact same either way. Their business model is imaginary and they want to force it on everyone else.

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                                  To be more precise: it is actually beneficial for big corporations if you pirate their media, as opposed to you having never been born. The sole act of you 'consuming' their media is positive for them, since you'll almost definitely see their logos (advertising to you), and you may spread the word to people who may pay for it (advertising by you).

                                  As you said, it's all pretty much propaganda to brainwash us into trying to be 'good citizens' (obedient consumers).

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                                  • sayjess@lemmy.blahaj.zoneS [email protected]

                                    I don’t know how to say it any more clear. When someone says to you “leave me the fuck alone”, shut your fucking mouth and leave them alone. This is harassment at this point. I don’t give a fuck about your opinions, and your attacks on me are unwanted.

                                    Leave me the fuck alone!

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                                    You shut your mouth and leave me alone. If you shut your stupid pie hole and don't say anything to me, I won't say anything to you. Simply responding to someones post is not harassment. If you can't take it, don't dish it out you stupid, worthless, hypocritical asshole.

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                                      You shut your mouth and leave me alone. If you shut your stupid pie hole and don't say anything to me, I won't say anything to you. Simply responding to someones post is not harassment. If you can't take it, don't dish it out you stupid, worthless, hypocritical asshole.

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                                      Fuck you

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                                      • sayjess@lemmy.blahaj.zoneS [email protected]

                                        Fuck you

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                                        Fuck you too. You come into a thread about Piracy on a message board about Piracy and start accusing Pirates of being hypocrites when it's clearly you who were being one and then act all surprised because someone called you on your bullshit, and now you are acting like you are some sort of victim. I don't feel the least bit sorry for you.

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                                          Fuck you too. You come into a thread about Piracy on a message board about Piracy and start accusing Pirates of being hypocrites when it's clearly you who were being one and then act all surprised because someone called you on your bullshit, and now you are acting like you are some sort of victim. I don't feel the least bit sorry for you.

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                                          Leave me the fuck alone. I don’t give a fuck what you have to say. Stop harassing me. Fuck off.

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