In September 2024, "Ty Coon" was replaced with "Moe Ghoul" in the official text file for GPL v2, without changing the version number or URL.
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Tbf, it's also still used to refer to actual raccoons and coonskin hats and such. It's also is still to this day an actual surname, there could literally be a guy with that actual name (actually, googled it, looks like there's a Resort in Maui, and the CEO of something called Savvy both actually have that name, albeit the resort with an s on the end). Monkey is also "straight up a racial slur that was historically a major tool of oppression" and also people still call others monkeys for just acting silly or haphazardly, and there's of course the animal. Jig is another, it both can be used as a racial slur or to describe a little dance.
Point being, there are both racist and innocuous uses of all those words, and without knowing more about the author we don't have sufficient information to conclude intent. Hell I don't even know their country of origin, it's possible they're not American, ESL, etc, and have no idea the connotations of the word beyond "name pun."
Fair point, but I can't blame them for playing it safe here.
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Bullying should never be ok, and rules should be valid and applicable for everyone.
Nobody should be a valid target for verbal abuse, not even anime nerds.
So if a rule against verbal harm and abuse are implemented (which I am not against at all) then such rule should be valid and used for all cases.
There is no equality if new inequality is created in the process.Go home, you're drunk.
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Doesn't seem like anyone was calling them out in that. They're pointing out that it might be a good idea to change it, but I digress, I'll stand corrected here.
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So does apple, coconut, cracker, gin, barbarian, brownie, skinny, spade, spook, teabag and a whole host of different words.
It should never be about the word itself, but how it's being used. Someone being called a genius doesn't usually mean they are being applauded for their intellect either, for example.I have realised, upon reflection, what I take issue with with your argument.
It places the onus on the intention, as opposed to the result.
If the result of me doing something particularly mundane, that I could do another way with zero extra effort, is that some people are offended or othered or hurt, then it seems blatantly obvious to me that the action to take is to change what I'm doing. Theres nuance in the wider discussion but you can't judge intentions, since nobody can know what someone else's intentions are. You can judge actions and outcomes.
The action in this case is mundane, and I don't place any blame or hate toward the people who took the action (made the Tycoon joke). The outcome is potentially negative, and I would argue demonstrably negative since people felt compelled to comment about it. It still doesn't mean that the folks who wrote the joke are massive racists or fascists or whatever, but the outcome related to their action is negative. Hence they chose to change the action to change the outcome.
Seems pretty cut and dry that this was a wholly positive thing, no?
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Fair point, but I can't blame them for playing it safe here.
Me neither.
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Jesus christ people in the comments here are pathetic. This clearly has nothing to do with racial slurs or otaku culture. It's a play on the totally normal english word "tycoon" which just means "very rich businessman" and "mogul" which is a synonym for "magnate". You can look these up, every half-decent dictionary has these words. They probably changed it because "coon" is a slur for black people and they didn't want to cause any misunderstandings. If any of this offends you, please, please just step outside, touch some grass, take a deep breath, relax.
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A massive reach of it being literally the same word? Like obviously they didn't mean it in a racist way but clearly they decided that having a racial slur in the docs there was not something they felt good about.
I grew up calling racoons "coons" in the region of the US I live in and it's still common to call them that nowadays. Words can have contextual meanings. If I hear the word "removed" and it turns out some guy is working on his car, I'm not going to be offended, and I shouldn't be, because it's not being used as a slur.
All said and done, I don't particularly think it's a big deal to change it, but I do believe it's a highly performative gesture.
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I grew up calling racoons "coons" in the region of the US I live in and it's still common to call them that nowadays. Words can have contextual meanings. If I hear the word "removed" and it turns out some guy is working on his car, I'm not going to be offended, and I shouldn't be, because it's not being used as a slur.
All said and done, I don't particularly think it's a big deal to change it, but I do believe it's a highly performative gesture.
So like, its not necessarily about offense. Some folks who have suffered abuse and aggression because of their minority status have visceral, trauma responses to certain things. When I hear the t-slur used, for example, it invokes a deep anxiety and panic. That doesn't mean that I think that anyone who says it is a transphobe (like the car guy in your example might be talking about his transmission or some silly thing like that) and I'm not going to rage and scream at him. But I'm not weird or wrong for asking him not to say it because it triggers me. This isn't a discussion about how we should cancel people for using words, its a discussion about how we can accommodate our fellow people.
The OP shows some folks making a change that is so minor we shouldn't even be talking about it, so that they can be just a touch more likely not to affect someone negatively. Even if its performative, who cares, they did it and it affects nobody negatively.
More concerning, I think, is the people jumping in this thread acting like this is woke cancel culture gone wild and we can't use normal words anymore.
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So like, its not necessarily about offense. Some folks who have suffered abuse and aggression because of their minority status have visceral, trauma responses to certain things. When I hear the t-slur used, for example, it invokes a deep anxiety and panic. That doesn't mean that I think that anyone who says it is a transphobe (like the car guy in your example might be talking about his transmission or some silly thing like that) and I'm not going to rage and scream at him. But I'm not weird or wrong for asking him not to say it because it triggers me. This isn't a discussion about how we should cancel people for using words, its a discussion about how we can accommodate our fellow people.
The OP shows some folks making a change that is so minor we shouldn't even be talking about it, so that they can be just a touch more likely not to affect someone negatively. Even if its performative, who cares, they did it and it affects nobody negatively.
More concerning, I think, is the people jumping in this thread acting like this is woke cancel culture gone wild and we can't use normal words anymore.
Bah, lemmy, please just let me devolve into a reactionary right winger! Stop making me learn things and have empathy and compassion for people!
You're right. Fuck. It's just tiring being wrong. I grew up in a way that getting mad about something like this would just be replied with "tough shit". I guess old habits die hard. If changing it really makes that much of a difference for people, then yeah, great job gnu people.
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Go home, you're drunk.
I am drunk because I have the belief that everyone should be truly equal in front of the law and that rules about a thing/concept should be valid for all instances of that thing/concept?
If you think so then, ok I am drunk and go home.
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Jesus christ people in the comments here are pathetic. This clearly has nothing to do with racial slurs or otaku culture. It's a play on the totally normal english word "tycoon" which just means "very rich businessman" and "mogul" which is a synonym for "magnate". You can look these up, every half-decent dictionary has these words. They probably changed it because "coon" is a slur for black people and they didn't want to cause any misunderstandings. If any of this offends you, please, please just step outside, touch some grass, take a deep breath, relax.
wrote last edited by [email protected]You begin with "this clearly has nothing to do with racial slurs" and have near the end "they probably changed it because coon is a slur for black people".
This is self contradictory, both statements can't be true at the same time.
I am not offended by anything here, I couldn't care less about what they use as fun wordplay in there.
Had a slow day and lots of free time at a train ride and just want to show that everything written can be misinterpreted and misunderstood. There is a bad meaning or derogatory slang for nearly every word out there.
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So instead of a racial slur they now make fun of Anime/Manga/Video Game fans
"Moe (Japanese: 萌え; pronounced [mo.e] ⓘ), sometimes romanized as moé, is a Japanese word that refers to feelings of strong affection mainly towards characters in anime, manga, video games, and other media directed at the otaku market. Moe, however, has also gained usage to refer to feelings of affection towards any subject"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moe_(slang)
That in combination with Ghoul
"In folklore, a ghoul (from Arabic: غول, ghūl) is a demon-like being or monstrous humanoid, often associated with graveyards and the consumption of human flesh"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghoul
creates a not very nice combination.
Touch grass
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Bah, lemmy, please just let me devolve into a reactionary right winger! Stop making me learn things and have empathy and compassion for people!
You're right. Fuck. It's just tiring being wrong. I grew up in a way that getting mad about something like this would just be replied with "tough shit". I guess old habits die hard. If changing it really makes that much of a difference for people, then yeah, great job gnu people.
It really is hard to rewire when you've been brought up in a world that didn't care - and like, honestly good on you for even reflecting in this way. Thanks for learning things and having empathy and compassion
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You begin with "this clearly has nothing to do with racial slurs" and have near the end "they probably changed it because coon is a slur for black people".
This is self contradictory, both statements can't be true at the same time.
I am not offended by anything here, I couldn't care less about what they use as fun wordplay in there.
Had a slow day and lots of free time at a train ride and just want to show that everything written can be misinterpreted and misunderstood. There is a bad meaning or derogatory slang for nearly every word out there.
derogatory slang
What did you call me!?
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Not a bigger stretch then with the Ty Coon, that was obviously a play on the Tycoon.
It was not me who started to read bad things into word play, but by that rules is Moe Ghoul offensive too.
How many anime characters have been lynched by mobs calling them "moe"
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How many anime characters have been lynched by mobs calling them "moe"
Not the kind of choking that mob would do
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It really is hard to rewire when you've been brought up in a world that didn't care - and like, honestly good on you for even reflecting in this way. Thanks for learning things and having empathy and compassion
I just wanna be edgy and post images of skeletons riding motorcycles T-T
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I just wanna be edgy and post images of skeletons riding motorcycles T-T
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I am drunk because I have the belief that everyone should be truly equal in front of the law and that rules about a thing/concept should be valid for all instances of that thing/concept?
If you think so then, ok I am drunk and go home.
Have a nice weekend!You're drunk for thinking this is about you.
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You're drunk for thinking this is about you.
wrote last edited by [email protected]We talk about personal opinions, there is not much that is more personal then personal opinions. And you are making ad hominem claims (my soberness) so yes it is about me.
But it is not me how brought it to the personal level, that was you with calling me drunk.
Before that it was completely abstract and impersonal.
