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Need explanation about Usenet

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    foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml
    wrote on 2 Jun 2025, 15:29 last edited by
    #1

    I found about Usenet and the sort of "hype" relative to it and I wonder some stuff.

    Maybe I'm a bit old school but is this process not against the spirit of piracy,

    • be generous to share
    • fight against censorship and DCMA takedown
    • work in a decentralized way

    Just wondered it, if someone wants to give his opinion

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    • F foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml
      2 Jun 2025, 15:29

      I found about Usenet and the sort of "hype" relative to it and I wonder some stuff.

      Maybe I'm a bit old school but is this process not against the spirit of piracy,

      • be generous to share
      • fight against censorship and DCMA takedown
      • work in a decentralized way

      Just wondered it, if someone wants to give his opinion

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      wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works
      wrote on 2 Jun 2025, 15:31 last edited by
      #2

      maybe I'm a bit old school

      Usenet hype

      You're aware that Usenet has been around since before Napster, right?

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      • W wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works
        2 Jun 2025, 15:31

        maybe I'm a bit old school

        Usenet hype

        You're aware that Usenet has been around since before Napster, right?

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        nokturne213@sopuli.xyz
        wrote on 2 Jun 2025, 15:33 last edited by
        #3

        Usenet is older than the World Wide Web.

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        • W wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works
          2 Jun 2025, 15:31

          maybe I'm a bit old school

          Usenet hype

          You're aware that Usenet has been around since before Napster, right?

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          foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml
          wrote on 2 Jun 2025, 15:41 last edited by
          #4

          In the way of piracy (maybe I missed it but Usenet piracy is new for me)

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          • F foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml
            2 Jun 2025, 15:29

            I found about Usenet and the sort of "hype" relative to it and I wonder some stuff.

            Maybe I'm a bit old school but is this process not against the spirit of piracy,

            • be generous to share
            • fight against censorship and DCMA takedown
            • work in a decentralized way

            Just wondered it, if someone wants to give his opinion

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            krolden@lemmy.ml
            wrote on 2 Jun 2025, 15:55 last edited by
            #5

            You need to find a newsgroup provider with alt.binaries access and good retention.

            Then you have to find a good indexer. Think of it like a torrent tracker but for Usenet nzbs

            Then you need a snatcher like sabnzbd or something else.

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            • K krolden@lemmy.ml
              2 Jun 2025, 15:55

              You need to find a newsgroup provider with alt.binaries access and good retention.

              Then you have to find a good indexer. Think of it like a torrent tracker but for Usenet nzbs

              Then you need a snatcher like sabnzbd or something else.

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              foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml
              wrote on 2 Jun 2025, 16:02 last edited by
              #6

              But what's your opinion about it, because don't you think it's opposed from the original torrenting piracy spirit?

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              • F foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml
                2 Jun 2025, 15:41

                In the way of piracy (maybe I missed it but Usenet piracy is new for me)

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                wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works
                wrote on 2 Jun 2025, 16:14 last edited by
                #7

                Yeah, you missed it. It isn't new at all. Piracy on Usenet predates Napster, and as pointed out probably predates the Web.

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                • W wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works
                  2 Jun 2025, 16:14

                  Yeah, you missed it. It isn't new at all. Piracy on Usenet predates Napster, and as pointed out probably predates the Web.

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                  foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml
                  wrote on 2 Jun 2025, 16:18 last edited by
                  #8

                  I am wrong but you need to use usenet providers to download stuff right? So it's centralized and company based?

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                  • F foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml
                    2 Jun 2025, 16:18

                    I am wrong but you need to use usenet providers to download stuff right? So it's centralized and company based?

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                    wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works
                    wrote on 2 Jun 2025, 16:24 last edited by wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works 6 Feb 2025, 12:25
                    #9

                    Yes, that's how Usenet works. Although it is federated.

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                    • F foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml
                      2 Jun 2025, 15:29

                      I found about Usenet and the sort of "hype" relative to it and I wonder some stuff.

                      Maybe I'm a bit old school but is this process not against the spirit of piracy,

                      • be generous to share
                      • fight against censorship and DCMA takedown
                      • work in a decentralized way

                      Just wondered it, if someone wants to give his opinion

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                      zonklezoop@lemmy.zip
                      wrote on 2 Jun 2025, 16:29 last edited by
                      #10

                      I think your confusion is in thinking that Usenet is a centralized space. It isn't. Yes, you need a provider, but if one does carry what you want, you go elsewhere.

                      Highly recommend reading the wiki articlenon Usenet.

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                      • W wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works
                        2 Jun 2025, 16:24

                        Yes, that's how Usenet works. Although it is federated.

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                        clusterfck@lemmy.sdf.org
                        wrote on 2 Jun 2025, 16:30 last edited by
                        #11

                        Replying to this before OP asks.

                        Usenet is distributed across hundreds (thousands maybe?) of servers. It's centralized in that setting up your own server and getting the same access as joining an existing Usenet server is going to be very difficult (and with Usenet being used for privacy more and more, could be impossible due to admins not trusting a random new person), but in theory one could.

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                        • F foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml
                          2 Jun 2025, 15:29

                          I found about Usenet and the sort of "hype" relative to it and I wonder some stuff.

                          Maybe I'm a bit old school but is this process not against the spirit of piracy,

                          • be generous to share
                          • fight against censorship and DCMA takedown
                          • work in a decentralized way

                          Just wondered it, if someone wants to give his opinion

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                          woodenghost@hexbear.net
                          wrote on 2 Jun 2025, 16:42 last edited by
                          #12

                          Usenet came long before torrenting.

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                          • F foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml
                            2 Jun 2025, 15:29

                            I found about Usenet and the sort of "hype" relative to it and I wonder some stuff.

                            Maybe I'm a bit old school but is this process not against the spirit of piracy,

                            • be generous to share
                            • fight against censorship and DCMA takedown
                            • work in a decentralized way

                            Just wondered it, if someone wants to give his opinion

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                            fundmecfsresearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone
                            wrote on 2 Jun 2025, 16:56 last edited by
                            #13

                            I somewhat agree. I think it’s fine people use usenet. But it’s not my cuppa tea. I’ll stick to torrents :).

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                            • F foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml
                              2 Jun 2025, 15:29

                              I found about Usenet and the sort of "hype" relative to it and I wonder some stuff.

                              Maybe I'm a bit old school but is this process not against the spirit of piracy,

                              • be generous to share
                              • fight against censorship and DCMA takedown
                              • work in a decentralized way

                              Just wondered it, if someone wants to give his opinion

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                              weirdo_from_space@sh.itjust.works
                              wrote on 2 Jun 2025, 16:59 last edited by
                              #14

                              ...is this process not against the spirit of piracy

                              It could be against the anti-establishment values of some digital pirates, but it's not at odds with the nature of piracy itself.

                              Piracy on the internet is just distributing digital goods protected by intellectual property law without the permission of the copyright holder. Some pirates engage in this practice for political reasons, but for many others it's simply a matter of economics or availability.

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                              • F foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml
                                2 Jun 2025, 15:41

                                In the way of piracy (maybe I missed it but Usenet piracy is new for me)

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                                cecilkorik@lemmy.ca
                                wrote on 2 Jun 2025, 17:52 last edited by
                                #15

                                It is not new. I downloaded (copyrighted) porn movies from my ISP's own Usenet servers in the early 90s. On dialup. It was a decentralized, federated service before anybody even knew what decentralization or federation even meant or why they would want it. It was just assumed that everyone would want to run their own Usenet servers because the technologies of the time didn't allow direct, continuous, real-time connection between everybody. Sharing was expensive but running a Usenet server was relatively cheap and was a good way to share all that data to all of an ISP's users at once. It was ALWAYS an option to use it for piracy, and people did.

                                Nowadays, sharing is cheap, and running Usenet servers is expensive, so almost nobody runs their own Usenet servers, especially not ISPs. But that's not the technology's fault, it's just the way the world has changed. The internet is a very different place now, and we use it in different ways. Usenet, on the other hand, has not changed at all. Only the people using it have changed.

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                                • C clusterfck@lemmy.sdf.org
                                  2 Jun 2025, 16:30

                                  Replying to this before OP asks.

                                  Usenet is distributed across hundreds (thousands maybe?) of servers. It's centralized in that setting up your own server and getting the same access as joining an existing Usenet server is going to be very difficult (and with Usenet being used for privacy more and more, could be impossible due to admins not trusting a random new person), but in theory one could.

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                                  warmapplepieshrek@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                                  wrote on 2 Jun 2025, 19:00 last edited by
                                  #16

                                  Usenet has splintered into text and piracy. Text is low volume and many servers can peer with yours for free. Piracy is more centralized, gets spammed like half a petabyte every day, we know that because 99% of "the posts" never get downloaded even once, it's commercial because of the huge storage requirements.

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                                  • C clusterfck@lemmy.sdf.org
                                    2 Jun 2025, 16:30

                                    Replying to this before OP asks.

                                    Usenet is distributed across hundreds (thousands maybe?) of servers. It's centralized in that setting up your own server and getting the same access as joining an existing Usenet server is going to be very difficult (and with Usenet being used for privacy more and more, could be impossible due to admins not trusting a random new person), but in theory one could.

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                                    johnwicksdog@aussie.zone
                                    wrote on 2 Jun 2025, 21:31 last edited by
                                    #17

                                    With modern Usenet there are about 8 or so backbones used for file sharing. Your Usenet provider/server would connect to one or more of these backbones.

                                    Its true Usenet is designed for federation, and in the 80s and 90s it was thousands of servers but today commercial Usenet providers just resell these 8 backbones.

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                                    • F foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml
                                      2 Jun 2025, 15:29

                                      I found about Usenet and the sort of "hype" relative to it and I wonder some stuff.

                                      Maybe I'm a bit old school but is this process not against the spirit of piracy,

                                      • be generous to share
                                      • fight against censorship and DCMA takedown
                                      • work in a decentralized way

                                      Just wondered it, if someone wants to give his opinion

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                                      monstoor@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                                      wrote on 2 Jun 2025, 22:19 last edited by
                                      #18

                                      I found about Usenet and the sort of “hype” relative to it and I wonder some stuff.

                                      Usenet's been around in its current form since 1987! The problem for pirates is finding decent providers who serve binaries. I used to use Easynews as they had great retention and they seem to still be around.

                                      Usenet is decentralised, but - as mentioned elsewhere - relies on a handful of providers to service the binary groups.

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                                      • Z zonklezoop@lemmy.zip
                                        2 Jun 2025, 16:29

                                        I think your confusion is in thinking that Usenet is a centralized space. It isn't. Yes, you need a provider, but if one does carry what you want, you go elsewhere.

                                        Highly recommend reading the wiki articlenon Usenet.

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                                        theangriestbird@beehaw.org
                                        wrote on 2 Jun 2025, 23:54 last edited by
                                        #19

                                        what wiki article? just browsed and i'm not seeing anything other than a glossary entry

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                                        • T theangriestbird@beehaw.org
                                          2 Jun 2025, 23:54

                                          what wiki article? just browsed and i'm not seeing anything other than a glossary entry

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                                          zonklezoop@lemmy.zip
                                          wrote on 3 Jun 2025, 00:49 last edited by
                                          #20

                                          Sorry about the confusion. I meant Wikipedia.

                                          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet

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