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    It’s silly to compare Switch 2 sales to Steam Deck sales.

    The Switch 2 is a locked-down, vertically integrated platform. There are no ROG Switch 2s. No Lenovo Switch 2s. No Switch laptops or tower PCs with discrete GPUs. If you want to play Mario Kart World, your only option is to buy a Switch 2. Period.

    Steam Deck, by contrast, isn’t a platform. It’s just one hardware option—one entry point into the sprawling, open ecosystem known as PC gaming.

    Every year, around 245 million PCs are shipped globally. If even 20–25% of those are gaming-focused, that’s 49–61 million gaming PCs annually. Steam Deck is a sliver of that. So of course it won’t outsell a console that’s the only gateway to a major IP.

    But that’s exactly the point.

    PC gaming is too decentralized for any single device to dominate. The last “PC” that did was the Commodore 64, which sold 12.5–17 million units over 12 years because it was a self-contained platform, unlike modern Windows, Mac, or Linux machines.

    That the Steam Deck has sold 4 million units despite competing with every other gaming PC in existence is remarkable. It didn’t just sell—it legitimized a category. Handheld PC gaming is now a thing. That’s why Lenovo, ASUS, and MSI have followed. Even Microsoft is getting in, optimizing Windows for handhelds—something they would never have done if the Steam Deck didn't hold their feet to the fire.

    So no, Steam Deck didn’t outsell the Switch 2. It didn’t need to.

    It won by changing the landscape.

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    What kind of idiots are comparing the two? They're different things with entirely different markets. There was never a battle to be had lol

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      It’s silly to compare Switch 2 sales to Steam Deck sales.

      The Switch 2 is a locked-down, vertically integrated platform. There are no ROG Switch 2s. No Lenovo Switch 2s. No Switch laptops or tower PCs with discrete GPUs. If you want to play Mario Kart World, your only option is to buy a Switch 2. Period.

      Steam Deck, by contrast, isn’t a platform. It’s just one hardware option—one entry point into the sprawling, open ecosystem known as PC gaming.

      Every year, around 245 million PCs are shipped globally. If even 20–25% of those are gaming-focused, that’s 49–61 million gaming PCs annually. Steam Deck is a sliver of that. So of course it won’t outsell a console that’s the only gateway to a major IP.

      But that’s exactly the point.

      PC gaming is too decentralized for any single device to dominate. The last “PC” that did was the Commodore 64, which sold 12.5–17 million units over 12 years because it was a self-contained platform, unlike modern Windows, Mac, or Linux machines.

      That the Steam Deck has sold 4 million units despite competing with every other gaming PC in existence is remarkable. It didn’t just sell—it legitimized a category. Handheld PC gaming is now a thing. That’s why Lenovo, ASUS, and MSI have followed. Even Microsoft is getting in, optimizing Windows for handhelds—something they would never have done if the Steam Deck didn't hold their feet to the fire.

      So no, Steam Deck didn’t outsell the Switch 2. It didn’t need to.

      It won by changing the landscape.

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      I stopped buying consoles and moved pretty much exclusively to Steam because it gives me many more options. Thankfully, I don't think that's changing anytime soon. Consoles are great for some people, but I need more flexibility. I sometimes wish I could (legally) play Nintendo first party games, but it's really not that big of a deal.

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      • oce@jlai.luO [email protected]

        The fact that the Nintendos are locked down, family friendly and with a reputation of good production quality (similar to Disney), are also important points for non-nerdy parents and casual gamers who don't want to navigate the ocean of PC gaming and its risks.

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        good production quality...
        *looks at workbench with 12 cubbies of drifting joycons queued for unofficial repair

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        • jordanlund@lemmy.worldJ [email protected]

          There are millions upon millions of Mario, Link, and Pokemon fans.

          There are not millions and millions of... what's the killer Steam Deck game again? Oh, right, there isn't one.

          If Valve came out with Half Life 3, made it Steam exclusive and a pack in with the Deck, then it would start putting up Nintendo numbers.

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          Exclusives are a bad thing. The fact that you're asking to be fed the same regurgitated ip slop gives them the idea that maybe, $80 games are underpriced. Maybe they can bump that up to a base $90, $100 for physical. Nintendo keeps exclusives out of greed, worse than even Sony. There shouldn't be exclusives. Ridiculous.

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            good production quality...
            *looks at workbench with 12 cubbies of drifting joycons queued for unofficial repair

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            As you can see, I said "reputation". I hate how little they innovate while still selling at premium, but similar to Disney, it is enough for the casual mass.

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            • jordanlund@lemmy.worldJ [email protected]

              There are millions upon millions of Mario, Link, and Pokemon fans.

              There are not millions and millions of... what's the killer Steam Deck game again? Oh, right, there isn't one.

              If Valve came out with Half Life 3, made it Steam exclusive and a pack in with the Deck, then it would start putting up Nintendo numbers.

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              that anyone would even have the thought of "killer steam deck game" amazes me. It's just a pc. You can run literally every game in existence that doesn't require a top of the line nvidia card as a minimum, have rootkit anti cheat, or is still exclusive to yet un-emulated console.

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              • kolanaki@pawb.socialK [email protected]

                If you want to play Mario Kart World, your only option is to buy a Switch 2. Period.

                For now.

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                Yuup. Nintendo's biggest advantage has always been their intellectual property, and even that hasn't always saved them. glances at the Wii U

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                • tonytins@pawb.socialT [email protected]

                  Yuup. Nintendo's biggest advantage has always been their intellectual property, and even that hasn't always saved them. glances at the Wii U

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                  Fuck $80 mario you can get Garfield Kart for $5

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                  • tonytins@pawb.socialT [email protected]

                    Yuup. Nintendo's biggest advantage has always been their intellectual property, and even that hasn't always saved them. glances at the Wii U

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                    Forget the wii u. The switch is really emulated on potatoes. I know, i have one and played Mario Wonder on it.

                    I'm looking forward to emulating the switch 2 games on my Deck.

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                    • A [email protected]

                      Ok I'm with you on the whole store exclusivity thing but come on. More exclusive? Having to buy from a certain store and being able to run anywhere on hardware of your choice is hardly more exclusive than being forced to buy from one vendor and only run on one system.

                      That said, I do think this whole argument is somewhat moot because the steam deck and switch serve very different but overlapping audiences. I own an original switch and a steam deck, I don't think one can replace the other but I've opted not to buy the switch 2 because Nintendo's anti consumer practices really turn me off if they want to tell me what I can do with the games and hardware I bought from them.

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                      I’m passing on the Switch 2 for similar reasons.

                      I can either fund Nintendo to sue open source developers or I can fund Valve who are payrolling open source developers.

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                      • jordanlund@lemmy.worldJ [email protected]

                        There are millions upon millions of Mario, Link, and Pokemon fans.

                        There are not millions and millions of... what's the killer Steam Deck game again? Oh, right, there isn't one.

                        If Valve came out with Half Life 3, made it Steam exclusive and a pack in with the Deck, then it would start putting up Nintendo numbers.

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                        Do you mean the millions of available games on PC? That easily far outweighs the switch.
                        Oh wait, and you can play switch games on PC too.

                        What was your point again?

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                        • widdershins@lemmy.worldW [email protected]

                          Fuck $80 mario you can get Garfield Kart for $5

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                          I mean, in the past it was their biggest advantage but, yeah, now it's not wroth the investment.

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                          • A [email protected]

                            Ok I'm with you on the whole store exclusivity thing but come on. More exclusive? Having to buy from a certain store and being able to run anywhere on hardware of your choice is hardly more exclusive than being forced to buy from one vendor and only run on one system.

                            That said, I do think this whole argument is somewhat moot because the steam deck and switch serve very different but overlapping audiences. I own an original switch and a steam deck, I don't think one can replace the other but I've opted not to buy the switch 2 because Nintendo's anti consumer practices really turn me off if they want to tell me what I can do with the games and hardware I bought from them.

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                            Having to buy from a certain store and being able to run anywhere on hardware of your choice is hardly more exclusive than being forced to buy from one vendor and only run on one system.

                            But you can’t…? It’s locked to OS, and it doesn’t run on ALL hardware. There’s minimum specs, and you can’t play modern games on windows 95.

                            Why do people ignore the glaring flaws while preaching the few okay ones? And the obvious lies too. The pros that people use, all fall flat when you follow them. You say all hardware, but it’s not, and never has been has it…?

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                              It’s silly to compare Switch 2 sales to Steam Deck sales.

                              The Switch 2 is a locked-down, vertically integrated platform. There are no ROG Switch 2s. No Lenovo Switch 2s. No Switch laptops or tower PCs with discrete GPUs. If you want to play Mario Kart World, your only option is to buy a Switch 2. Period.

                              Steam Deck, by contrast, isn’t a platform. It’s just one hardware option—one entry point into the sprawling, open ecosystem known as PC gaming.

                              Every year, around 245 million PCs are shipped globally. If even 20–25% of those are gaming-focused, that’s 49–61 million gaming PCs annually. Steam Deck is a sliver of that. So of course it won’t outsell a console that’s the only gateway to a major IP.

                              But that’s exactly the point.

                              PC gaming is too decentralized for any single device to dominate. The last “PC” that did was the Commodore 64, which sold 12.5–17 million units over 12 years because it was a self-contained platform, unlike modern Windows, Mac, or Linux machines.

                              That the Steam Deck has sold 4 million units despite competing with every other gaming PC in existence is remarkable. It didn’t just sell—it legitimized a category. Handheld PC gaming is now a thing. That’s why Lenovo, ASUS, and MSI have followed. Even Microsoft is getting in, optimizing Windows for handhelds—something they would never have done if the Steam Deck didn't hold their feet to the fire.

                              So no, Steam Deck didn’t outsell the Switch 2. It didn’t need to.

                              It won by changing the landscape.

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                              Also, for what its worth, the OLED Decks literally sold out today, as in, Valve doesn't currently have any more to sell in the US.

                              https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2025/06/supply-chain-issues-are-making-the-steam-deck-oled-go-out-of-stock/

                              Also also... I realize this is a silly comparison, but the Switch 2 has not outsold all variants of the Deck, yet.

                              Its at about 3.5 million, Steam Deck is at about 4.5 million since 2022.

                              Also x3, the Switch 2 is apparently already sold out as well, as in no more units available at US retailers.

                              https://www.cnbc.com/2025/06/11/nintendo-switch-console-record-sales.html

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                                Having to buy from a certain store and being able to run anywhere on hardware of your choice is hardly more exclusive than being forced to buy from one vendor and only run on one system.

                                But you can’t…? It’s locked to OS, and it doesn’t run on ALL hardware. There’s minimum specs, and you can’t play modern games on windows 95.

                                Why do people ignore the glaring flaws while preaching the few okay ones? And the obvious lies too. The pros that people use, all fall flat when you follow them. You say all hardware, but it’s not, and never has been has it…?

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                                Bdbhd

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                                  Bdbhd

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                                  A yes, a very insightful and polite response.

                                  Should have known trying to have a civil discussion about anything related to Nintendo would lead to trolls coming and brigading and insulting.

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                                    Also, for what its worth, the OLED Decks literally sold out today, as in, Valve doesn't currently have any more to sell in the US.

                                    https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2025/06/supply-chain-issues-are-making-the-steam-deck-oled-go-out-of-stock/

                                    Also also... I realize this is a silly comparison, but the Switch 2 has not outsold all variants of the Deck, yet.

                                    Its at about 3.5 million, Steam Deck is at about 4.5 million since 2022.

                                    Also x3, the Switch 2 is apparently already sold out as well, as in no more units available at US retailers.

                                    https://www.cnbc.com/2025/06/11/nintendo-switch-console-record-sales.html

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                                    Wild the Switch 2 has nearly caught up to the Deck in less than a week.

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                                    • S [email protected]

                                      A yes, a very insightful and polite response.

                                      Should have known trying to have a civil discussion about anything related to Nintendo would lead to trolls coming and brigading and insulting.

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                                      Ncjjd

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                                        What kind of idiots are comparing the two? They're different things with entirely different markets. There was never a battle to be had lol

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                                        It’s funny you say this, because for 500 bucks I am actually debating between the two as my Christmas present to myself this year.

                                        I think I’d prefer a Steam Deck for no particular reason. 🏴‍☠️

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                                        • S [email protected]

                                          Having to buy from a certain store and being able to run anywhere on hardware of your choice is hardly more exclusive than being forced to buy from one vendor and only run on one system.

                                          But you can’t…? It’s locked to OS, and it doesn’t run on ALL hardware. There’s minimum specs, and you can’t play modern games on windows 95.

                                          Why do people ignore the glaring flaws while preaching the few okay ones? And the obvious lies too. The pros that people use, all fall flat when you follow them. You say all hardware, but it’s not, and never has been has it…?

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                                          You realize there’s been vast technical advancements since 1995, right?

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