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  • ? Guest

    Anyone have experience hosting a server for non-technical parents? Plex is just so plug and play and they have clients for even the shittiest old smart TVs.

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    Honestly, the easiest thing to do is put it on a mesh VPN like Tailscale and connect their streaming device to your tailnet. If they’re non technical parents then if their TV OS doesn’t support Tailscale, you can pick up a Walmart brand ONN streaming box for <$50 which supports for Tailscale and Jellyfin.

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      I've heard jellyfin has a lot of security issues, which I don't know if that's accurate or not. But the BIGGEST issue is lack of a proper tvOS app. I really don't feel like using Infuse or some other app just to use my library. Year after year I hear about people switching and yet, the gap is simply still there.

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      Op already said they were behind authentik

      There also absolutely are apps for tv oses like Android, I use one daily.

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        i have a lifetime plex pass, but I'd consider moving to jellyfin when their closed-captioning support reaches parity with plex. i regularly spin up a jellyfin container to try it out, but i still run into issues. And jellyfin's android apps are mediocre (in particular android auto support), especially for music compared to plexamp

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        For android auto, I use symfonium as it can hook into my jf library

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          What are you using to watch jellyfin on iOS?

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          In order of personal preference:

          1. Jellyfin Mobile
          2. Infuse
          3. Streamyfin
          4. Swiftfin

          Maybe just try them all out and find the one that fits you best. You could also use more than one (which is what I do).

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          • M [email protected]

            i ended up doing both. ldap for the apps. oidc for web based users and the apps that support the quick connect feature. the local user account system works fine too, and ldap would be enough. i just wanted an excuse to play round with sso systems, and it was fun figuring out how to connect all my servers.

            authenik has a good docs site for both it's docker container and connecting it to jellyfin. Authelia looked interesting too.

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            Thanks! Don't know how I missed the Authentik docs for this.

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              I've heard jellyfin has a lot of security issues, which I don't know if that's accurate or not. But the BIGGEST issue is lack of a proper tvOS app. I really don't feel like using Infuse or some other app just to use my library. Year after year I hear about people switching and yet, the gap is simply still there.

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              https://github.com/jellyfin/Swiftfin is available for tvOS. works great for me with one bug. since i have homepods connected to one of my apple tv's as it's speakers. i had to change the setting to use the native video player instead of vlc to avoid and audio delay bug. that cost me the auto play next episode function. i though not auto playing the next episode would annoy me, but it's turned out to not be a issue at all. but infuse doesn't include that bug if you want both homepod tv speakers and auto play next episode with jellyfin. as for security, since jellyfin is more modifiable it has a lot more room for misconfiguration for sure. plex had plenty of it's own security issues, we just only heard about them when some security blogger discovered it.

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                Op already said they were behind authentik

                There also absolutely are apps for tv oses like Android, I use one daily.

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                I think they meant Apple's "tvOS" - which powers the Apple TV set top box.

                There's no client for it, if I had to take a guess it's likely due to the costs of doing so.

                Edit: Whoops, it appears I'm a bit out of date on this.

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                  I am also not up to date on Jellyfin security issues but the biggest one I care about is that its clients don’t support OIDC. There’s a neat plugin for OIDC, but without client support it only works with the web client and I’m not a fan of leaving login pages open to the internet.

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                  if you use the oidc connection and apps that support quick connect you can do it. you basically end up doing things like the plex link process that got implemented when they forced everyone into their authentication service. i almost went that route but opted to leave the password auth from ldap in. its the kind of log in process most people are used too and i've got a few elderly users. i disabled password reset in authentik though and everyone gets a 3 word 24 char minimum password.

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                  • russjr08@bitforged.spaceR [email protected]

                    I think they meant Apple's "tvOS" - which powers the Apple TV set top box.

                    There's no client for it, if I had to take a guess it's likely due to the costs of doing so.

                    Edit: Whoops, it appears I'm a bit out of date on this.

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                    https://github.com/jellyfin/Swiftfin i've got 5 apple tv users, two android tv and one webostv

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                    • ? Guest

                      Anyone have experience hosting a server for non-technical parents? Plex is just so plug and play and they have clients for even the shittiest old smart TVs.

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                      Anything that has a remote interface is garbage. It's all cursor mouse based except on a few devices.

                      It's not as good as Plex by a long shot. If you have Plex pass no brainer. If not, I'd personally just buy the pass. On Xbox it was just unusable.

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                        https://github.com/jellyfin/Swiftfin i've got 5 apple tv users, two android tv and one webostv

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                        Oh interesting, it's been a while since I have tried to use Apple TV (roughly 7 years or so - I don't use any Apple devices anymore), this wasn't available at the time so I'm glad to see there's finally some native support.

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                          it's just what i'm comfortable with. started playing with linux servers before docker existed. i've got frigate and authentik running in docker, but if i have the option to run something outside docker i still prefer that.

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                          To each their own man. I just would not have enough memory on my potato servers to run all those VMs 😅

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                            after almost 15yrs my plex server is no more. jellyfin behind nginx with authentik is running very nicely.

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                            I've been using jellyfin for years.

                            My best recommendation is DELAY UPDATES and back up before you update.

                            I have a history of updates breaking everything so you should be careful about them.

                            All software recommends backing up before an update, but for jellyfin the shit is real, you really want to back up.

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                              Oh interesting, it's been a while since I have tried to use Apple TV (roughly 7 years or so - I don't use any Apple devices anymore), this wasn't available at the time so I'm glad to see there's finally some native support.

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                              there's been a LOT of progress on jellyfin, especially the past year or so. i've been using plex since it forked from xbmc, it ran on the bottom half of a laptop connected to a mostly working projector, both rescued from a dumpster. it's been a fantastic platform for a long time. but i've also wanted off plex since they rolled out the plex account req. jellyfin is finally there for me at least.

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                                I've been using jellyfin for years.

                                My best recommendation is DELAY UPDATES and back up before you update.

                                I have a history of updates breaking everything so you should be careful about them.

                                All software recommends backing up before an update, but for jellyfin the shit is real, you really want to back up.

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                                Jellyfin still so buggy though. The UI is garbage too. I want to love it... I run both lol.

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                                  I've heard jellyfin has a lot of security issues, which I don't know if that's accurate or not. But the BIGGEST issue is lack of a proper tvOS app. I really don't feel like using Infuse or some other app just to use my library. Year after year I hear about people switching and yet, the gap is simply still there.

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                                  I’ve heard jellyfin has a lot of security issues

                                  The biggest known stuff I saw on their GitHub is that a number of the exposed service URLs under the hood don't require auth. So, it's open-source with known requirements, you can tell easily from the outside that it's running, and you can cause it to activate a LOT of packages without logging in. That's a zero-day in any package that can be passed a payload away from disaster.

                                  AS far as TVOS, I'm kinda surprised swiftfin doesn't service you.

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                                    after almost 15yrs my plex server is no more. jellyfin behind nginx with authentik is running very nicely.

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                                    Unrelated but why a full VM for Linux stuff, lxc is much more efficient

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                                    • cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.comC [email protected]

                                      Their last UI changes

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                                      And my god, it's amazing how each UI iteration gets worse. How is that even possible? My shits never been so buried in menus.

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                                      • cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zoneC [email protected]

                                        i love jellyfin i just wish there was a nicer way to highlight collections so you could make themed weekly or monthly collections of movies and shows that also still show up in the regular folders.... almost like netflix.

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                                        That is coming, I saw a PR for that. Just need to be patient.

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                                        • russjr08@bitforged.spaceR [email protected]

                                          I think they meant Apple's "tvOS" - which powers the Apple TV set top box.

                                          There's no client for it, if I had to take a guess it's likely due to the costs of doing so.

                                          Edit: Whoops, it appears I'm a bit out of date on this.

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                                          Oh lol, of course apple just calls it TV OS

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