"I live here now"
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It's Russians that live in the Donbass, not Poles.
There are a few Taiwanese in Taiwan apart from Chinese,
a few Australians in Australia apart from Anglos,
and a few Americans in the US apart from Anglos,
but there are no Ukrainians in the Ukraine.wrote last edited by [email protected]In Ukraine in general, ~68% speak Ukranian natively, ~17% are native Ukranian/Russian bilingual, ~14% are native Russian speakers.
In the Donbas, ~27% Ukrainian native speakers, ~29% bilinguals, ~42% Russian native speakers.
Going by nationality:
~73% of Ukranian nationals natively speak Ukranian.
~18% of Ukranian nationals are bilingual natives.
~9% of Ukranian nationals natively speak Russian.
~4% of Russian nationals natively speak Ukranian.
~14% of Russian nationals are bilingual.
~81% of Russian nationals natively speak Russian.
All these numbers are from 2017.
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I think it is safe to say that there are in fact many Ukranians in Ukraine, even many Ukranians in Donbas, at least prior to 2022... due to, you know, the ethnic cleansing undertaken by an occupying foreign national army.
My napkin math on those numbers works out to 53% Russian nationals vs 46% Ukranian nationals in Donbas in 2017.
Using a 53% Russian vs 46% Ukranian proportion to justify mass military force against the Ukranian population in Donbas is roughly the same logic that would conclude it is morally correct to invade Los Angeles and deport everyone who isn't fluent in English, which has similar proportions between English and Spanish.
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@dessalines @ChairmanMeow Why won't those ungrateful Ukrainians just surrender to Putin's kindly embrace?
wrote last edited by [email protected]Surrender? The people of donbass already voted to secede before the raf got involved directly. They don't want to be a part of Ukraine.
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Hey let's switch examples and see if your logic stands up. The name Los Angeles is Spanish. Because Spanish speakers have been there longer than English speakers. If the Spanish speakers don't like the president of the United States, does that mean it's perfectly acceptable for the Mexican government to provide Spanish speaking protesters in LA with artillery systems and missile batteries? Or is that fucking weird?
A downvote is not an answer btw.
Yes, and no it is not weird
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Aaaaand there it is.
wrote last edited by [email protected]They come here with their nonsnense equalizing a regular war to a genocide going on right now, the comic doesn't even make sense in the situation of Ukraine, it's about settler colonialism, something Russia doesn't do
Edit: this is like coming under a post about the holocaust and talking about "this is just like the white genocide in south africa"
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They come here with their nonsnense equalizing a regular war to a genocide going on right now, the comic doesn't even make sense in the situation of Ukraine, it's about settler colonialism, something Russia doesn't do
Edit: this is like coming under a post about the holocaust and talking about "this is just like the white genocide in south africa"
Yep, Russia stole third of Ukraine and tries to pretend it's a part of their country not because they're doing colonialism, but because... um... nothing I guess, it's not happening actually. All the Ukranians just deciding to die of natural causes there.
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They come here with their nonsnense equalizing a regular war to a genocide going on right now, the comic doesn't even make sense in the situation of Ukraine, it's about settler colonialism, something Russia doesn't do
Edit: this is like coming under a post about the holocaust and talking about "this is just like the white genocide in south africa"
wrote last edited by [email protected]How on Earth is it not settler colonialism when Russia engages in a prolonged campaign of trying to russify the Ukranian language, heavily propogandizing those in border regions to either get them to apply for, or either grant them Russian passports/citizenship, then they claim the rightful borders have moved, then invade and capture those border areas (and others), and then emgage in ethnic cleansing within those border areas?
Please, explain to me how that isn't settler colonialism, just with a few initial, semi-novel/semi-uncommon extra steps?
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Surrender? The people of donbass already voted to secede before the raf got involved directly. They don't want to be a part of Ukraine.
@mathemachristian Also: Putin was popularly elected.
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@mathemachristian Also: Putin was popularly elected.
I dont get your point.
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ITT: Terminally online Western .ml users being simperialist white knights again for their own favourite oligarchy.
omg a little zionist clown
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Kinda like the Jewish invaders in middle east
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there is no land back. people want a state with equal rights; that's it. i love how this is always a "concern": hey i know we genocided you, but what if you retaliate? we can't have that so the genocide most continue.
in reality we've seen what happens: what happened to the white south africans in south africa? what happened to the slave owners in the united states after emancipation? what happened to them after natives got some of their land and autonomy back?
nothing. prosperity, even. but at this point i don't give a shit if it's not nothing. israelis proved time and again—yes the population too, not just the government—that they're genocidal maniacs.
this is exactly the same as being concerned with what would happen to the nazis if germany gave rights back to the jews. imagine asking "what if the jews strike back? no the camps must stay".
just as it was right back then to emancipate the jewish people and other minorities no matter what would happen afterwards, so it is for palestinians now. luckily for the rapists and murderers of the world, the oppressed never turn out to be so genocidal once freed.
I am just asking. That does not mean I am defending Isreal for fucks sake.
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I always support the culture that doesn’t put women into black togas and tell them what can they do at the threat of being stoned or their hand cut off.
That’s why I love israeli. It is hard not to. They are extremely pretty. Men and women alike have some unreal genes. You go on the street and half of it is beautiful women just going about their days like they weren’t looking like angels.
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I always support the culture that doesn’t put women into black togas and tell them what can they do at the threat of being stoned or their hand cut off.
That’s why I love israeli. It is hard not to. They are extremely pretty. Men and women alike have some unreal genes. You go on the street and half of it is beautiful women just going about their days like they weren’t looking like angels.
The fuck is this shit?
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The fuck is this shit?
The inner monologue of every centrist.
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@dessalines @ChairmanMeow Why won't those ungrateful Ukrainians just surrender to Putin's kindly embrace?
Eastern Ukrainians weren't grateful to be bombed by NATO-funded banderites for several years in the donbass, nor were most Ukrainians glad to have their government overthrown in a US-backed coup in 2014.
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Yep, Russia stole third of Ukraine and tries to pretend it's a part of their country not because they're doing colonialism, but because... um... nothing I guess, it's not happening actually. All the Ukranians just deciding to die of natural causes there.
you genuinely don't know what colonialism is
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How on Earth is it not settler colonialism when Russia engages in a prolonged campaign of trying to russify the Ukranian language, heavily propogandizing those in border regions to either get them to apply for, or either grant them Russian passports/citizenship, then they claim the rightful borders have moved, then invade and capture those border areas (and others), and then emgage in ethnic cleansing within those border areas?
Please, explain to me how that isn't settler colonialism, just with a few initial, semi-novel/semi-uncommon extra steps?
you don't know what is settler colonialism and you don't know what is reality, gtfo don't compare Palestine to Ukraine
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you don't know what is settler colonialism and you don't know what is reality, gtfo don't compare Palestine to Ukraine
Would you care to explain anything, or do you just want to have a hissy fit?
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Would you care to explain anything, or do you just want to have a hissy fit?
You don't read books or theory about colonialism, you don't look at the news or the current event, you give vibe based "analysis" of the situation, and you want me to explain the entirety of colonialism from beginning to end just because your lazy ass won't read Frantz Fanon.
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I am just asking. That does not mean I am defending Isreal for fucks sake.
ok; it's just been a common rhetoric to justify the continuation of the apartheid if not the genocide outright.
