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The emulator that lets you play NES games in 3D has left early access on Steam

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  • D duchess@feddit.org
    19 days ago

    They want money for an emulator? that’s bold

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    pressedhams@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    wrote 19 days ago last edited by
    #9

    Maybe, but it’s not just emulating the rom, I thinks there’s enough value add for their $9 asking price.

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    • S simple@piefed.social
      19 days ago

      The emulator being 3dSen, direct link to Steam: https://store.steampowered.com/app/1147940/3dSen_PC/

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      lazycouchpotato@lemmy.world
      wrote 19 days ago last edited by
      #10

      Bought it a few years ago. Super cool, though I probably only messed around with it a couple hours before forgetting about it.

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      • P pressedhams@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        19 days ago

        Maybe, but it’s not just emulating the rom, I thinks there’s enough value add for their $9 asking price.

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        jrockwar@feddit.uk
        wrote 19 days ago last edited by
        #11

        Still, being able to argue they're not for profit is what typically has protected emulators from being sued to oblivion (and with Nintendo, even that's risky)...

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        • J jrockwar@feddit.uk
          19 days ago

          Still, being able to argue they're not for profit is what typically has protected emulators from being sued to oblivion (and with Nintendo, even that's risky)...

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          pressedhams@lemmy.blahaj.zone
          wrote 19 days ago last edited by
          #12

          Yeah, the archival argument won’t fly here.

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          • J jrockwar@feddit.uk
            19 days ago

            Still, being able to argue they're not for profit is what typically has protected emulators from being sued to oblivion (and with Nintendo, even that's risky)...

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            gaylord_fartmaster@lemmy.world
            wrote 19 days ago last edited by
            #13

            Has being non-profit been a legal defense used somewhere before? At least in the US the case law is based on commercial, profit-driven emulators being explicitly ruled as legal when Sony tried suing them. I see this said constantly and I think it's genuinely just the result of propaganda from Nintendo or something.

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            • V vaggumon@lemmy.zip
              19 days ago

              How long till Nintendo files.

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              entwine413@lemm.ee
              wrote 19 days ago last edited by entwine413@lemm.ee
              #14

              I'm not sure they can in this instance. The reason they could sue the Switch emulator team was because they were using a proprietary encryption key.

              I don't think the NES had that, and as long as you own the game, emulation is legal.

              Also, this might be considered transformative use since the devs have to create the 3D profile by hand.

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              • E entwine413@lemm.ee
                19 days ago

                I'm not sure they can in this instance. The reason they could sue the Switch emulator team was because they were using a proprietary encryption key.

                I don't think the NES had that, and as long as you own the game, emulation is legal.

                Also, this might be considered transformative use since the devs have to create the 3D profile by hand.

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                glitchdx@lemmy.world
                wrote 19 days ago last edited by
                #15

                Nintendo was able to sue palworld using a patent that didn't exist before palworlds release. It's not right, but they can do whatever they want regardless of what the law says.

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                • G glitchdx@lemmy.world
                  19 days ago

                  Nintendo was able to sue palworld using a patent that didn't exist before palworlds release. It's not right, but they can do whatever they want regardless of what the law says.

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                  entwine413@lemm.ee
                  wrote 19 days ago last edited by
                  #16

                  That's not the lawsuit that's being discussed. It's the Yuzu Switch emulator lawsuit.

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                  • E entwine413@lemm.ee
                    19 days ago

                    That's not the lawsuit that's being discussed. It's the Yuzu Switch emulator lawsuit.

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                    glitchdx@lemmy.world
                    wrote 19 days ago last edited by
                    #17

                    yeah, i know. Point is that Nintendo can do whatever they want with the flimsyest excuse.

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                    • E entwine413@lemm.ee
                      19 days ago

                      I'm not sure they can in this instance. The reason they could sue the Switch emulator team was because they were using a proprietary encryption key.

                      I don't think the NES had that, and as long as you own the game, emulation is legal.

                      Also, this might be considered transformative use since the devs have to create the 3D profile by hand.

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                      callouscomic@lemm.ee
                      wrote 19 days ago last edited by
                      #18

                      as long as you own the game, emulation is legal.

                      People say this, but I believe it is mostly technically untrue. It'd be a relatively easy argument to say that a downloaded ROM that isn't exactly the digital copy YOU purchased with a license would be seen as not legal.

                      However some people talk about literally ripping the game off the physical device themselves, hence copying their own copy of it. Now you are in grey territory of making copies of copyrighted materials, and in the case of more modern games like the last decade, they almost assuredly have language that specifies you don't actually own the code and all that.

                      All I'm saying is be careful and probably refrain from repeating the fallacy that owning a game makes emulation of it legal, because that implies having the ROM is legal and that's doubtful.

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                      • C callouscomic@lemm.ee
                        19 days ago

                        as long as you own the game, emulation is legal.

                        People say this, but I believe it is mostly technically untrue. It'd be a relatively easy argument to say that a downloaded ROM that isn't exactly the digital copy YOU purchased with a license would be seen as not legal.

                        However some people talk about literally ripping the game off the physical device themselves, hence copying their own copy of it. Now you are in grey territory of making copies of copyrighted materials, and in the case of more modern games like the last decade, they almost assuredly have language that specifies you don't actually own the code and all that.

                        All I'm saying is be careful and probably refrain from repeating the fallacy that owning a game makes emulation of it legal, because that implies having the ROM is legal and that's doubtful.

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                        mycodesucks@lemmy.world
                        wrote 19 days ago last edited by
                        #19

                        Copying your own game and materials for backup purposes is no grey area, and neither is development or use of emulators, and panicky, uninformed spewing of gut feelings are how public knowledge of your actual rights gets muddled into people with zero knowledge waxing poetic about how they THINK it works because they like games and think that makes their ramblings valuable.

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                        • G glitchdx@lemmy.world
                          19 days ago

                          Nintendo was able to sue palworld using a patent that didn't exist before palworlds release. It's not right, but they can do whatever they want regardless of what the law says.

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                          samus12345@sh.itjust.works
                          wrote 19 days ago last edited by
                          #20

                          They were able to do that because Palworld is made by Japanese devs, and they used specifically Japanese patent law. Doesn't apply here.

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                          • S simple@piefed.social
                            19 days ago

                            The emulator being 3dSen, direct link to Steam: https://store.steampowered.com/app/1147940/3dSen_PC/

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                            samus12345@sh.itjust.works
                            wrote 19 days ago last edited by samus12345@sh.itjust.works
                            #21

                            It also works with romhacks if the code isn't changed too much. Ducktales 2 co-op works like a charm!

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                            • M mycodesucks@lemmy.world
                              19 days ago

                              Copying your own game and materials for backup purposes is no grey area, and neither is development or use of emulators, and panicky, uninformed spewing of gut feelings are how public knowledge of your actual rights gets muddled into people with zero knowledge waxing poetic about how they THINK it works because they like games and think that makes their ramblings valuable.

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                              plasticexistence@lemmy.world
                              wrote 19 days ago last edited by
                              #22

                              https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/1201

                              In the USA, it is illegal to make a backup copy of any of your media when the original contains any form of DRM.

                              On any media where DRM wasn’t used, you’re okay to create a backup copy.

                              The law is different everywhere though.

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                              • C callouscomic@lemm.ee
                                19 days ago

                                as long as you own the game, emulation is legal.

                                People say this, but I believe it is mostly technically untrue. It'd be a relatively easy argument to say that a downloaded ROM that isn't exactly the digital copy YOU purchased with a license would be seen as not legal.

                                However some people talk about literally ripping the game off the physical device themselves, hence copying their own copy of it. Now you are in grey territory of making copies of copyrighted materials, and in the case of more modern games like the last decade, they almost assuredly have language that specifies you don't actually own the code and all that.

                                All I'm saying is be careful and probably refrain from repeating the fallacy that owning a game makes emulation of it legal, because that implies having the ROM is legal and that's doubtful.

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                                plasticexistence@lemmy.world
                                wrote 19 days ago last edited by
                                #23

                                The emulation itself is legal, assuming you’re not using any copyrighted code, BIOS, etc. to make work.

                                The backup copy of your game that you need can be made legally as well, but in the USA, if the source contains a form of DRM, then you cannot legally make a copy.

                                https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/1201

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                                • P plasticexistence@lemmy.world
                                  19 days ago

                                  https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/1201

                                  In the USA, it is illegal to make a backup copy of any of your media when the original contains any form of DRM.

                                  On any media where DRM wasn’t used, you’re okay to create a backup copy.

                                  The law is different everywhere though.

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                                  jeffool@lemmy.world
                                  wrote 19 days ago last edited by jeffool@lemmy.world
                                  #24

                                  /edit: I was WRONG. This is my memory failing me. I explain it further below, and apologize for wasting any time.

                                  After the DMCA passed there was a case of a judge finding it legal to bypass DRM to make backup copies, but illegal to distribute the software used to do so. I have no idea if there was ever further clarification or new law about this. That was like 20 years ago. It was part of a case going after the company who was making the software, but the name slips my mind. I'll try to look it up if anyone cares enough and wants to look for something more than hearsay on a forum.

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                                  • J jeffool@lemmy.world
                                    19 days ago

                                    /edit: I was WRONG. This is my memory failing me. I explain it further below, and apologize for wasting any time.

                                    After the DMCA passed there was a case of a judge finding it legal to bypass DRM to make backup copies, but illegal to distribute the software used to do so. I have no idea if there was ever further clarification or new law about this. That was like 20 years ago. It was part of a case going after the company who was making the software, but the name slips my mind. I'll try to look it up if anyone cares enough and wants to look for something more than hearsay on a forum.

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                                    plasticexistence@lemmy.world
                                    wrote 19 days ago last edited by
                                    #25

                                    I would be interested in that case if you find it. I spend a lot of time thinking about emulation and the surrounding stuff.

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                                    • S simple@piefed.social
                                      19 days ago

                                      The emulator being 3dSen, direct link to Steam: https://store.steampowered.com/app/1147940/3dSen_PC/

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                                      cosmonova@lemmy.world
                                      wrote 19 days ago last edited by
                                      #26

                                      Didn’t know about this. This is amazing.

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                                      • P pressedhams@lemmy.blahaj.zone
                                        19 days ago

                                        Maybe, but it’s not just emulating the rom, I thinks there’s enough value add for their $9 asking price.

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                                        samus12345@sh.itjust.works
                                        wrote 19 days ago last edited by
                                        #27

                                        $9 on sale, but $15 normally.

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                                        • P plasticexistence@lemmy.world
                                          19 days ago

                                          https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/1201

                                          In the USA, it is illegal to make a backup copy of any of your media when the original contains any form of DRM.

                                          On any media where DRM wasn’t used, you’re okay to create a backup copy.

                                          The law is different everywhere though.

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                                          mycodesucks@lemmy.world
                                          wrote 19 days ago last edited by mycodesucks@lemmy.world
                                          #28

                                          Not to be a stickler, but this does not say making copies is illegal - it makes circumvention of drm methods illegal. You can make drm'd copies as you like as long as you don't circumvent the drm method. If your game isn't encrypted, and the emulator doesn't implement the drm, you haven't circumvented drm - you are playing your legal copy on a device that does not implement the drm. It's distinct from removing the drm from a device that implements it.

                                          I do get that most consoles encrypt their software these days, but let's be clear - it's not as simple as "DRM means you have no rights."

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