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The emulator that lets you play NES games in 3D has left early access on Steam

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  • S simple@piefed.social
    18 days ago

    The emulator being 3dSen, direct link to Steam: https://store.steampowered.com/app/1147940/3dSen_PC/

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    vaggumon@lemmy.zip
    wrote 18 days ago last edited by
    #3

    How long till Nintendo files.

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    • S skullgrid@lemmy.world
      18 days ago

      how does it work?

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      crank0271@lemmy.world
      wrote 18 days ago last edited by
      #4

      Each game needs to have a custom profile created to render in 3D. From the linked article:

      3dSen is an emulator that lets you play 2D NES games in 3D. Its programmers have to create a custom profile for it to work its magic on each game, which means there are currently 100 supported games, including Contra, Super Mario Bros, Batman, Castlevania, Bubble Bobble, and Gradius.

      And from another article:

      ...with the addition of the 3dSenMaker tool, community members now can handcraft 3D profiles for their favorite games.

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      • S simple@piefed.social
        18 days ago

        The emulator being 3dSen, direct link to Steam: https://store.steampowered.com/app/1147940/3dSen_PC/

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        biskii@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        wrote 18 days ago last edited by
        #5

        I just gave it a download. Tested Mega Man 2, and now I'm playing Super Mario Bros. It's really fucking cool

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        • V vaggumon@lemmy.zip
          18 days ago

          How long till Nintendo files.

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          duchess@feddit.org
          wrote 18 days ago last edited by
          #6

          As long as with the other NES emulators.

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          • S simple@piefed.social
            18 days ago

            The emulator being 3dSen, direct link to Steam: https://store.steampowered.com/app/1147940/3dSen_PC/

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            duchess@feddit.org
            wrote 18 days ago last edited by
            #7

            They want money for an emulator? that’s bold

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            • V vaggumon@lemmy.zip
              18 days ago

              How long till Nintendo files.

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              9point6@lemmy.world
              wrote 18 days ago last edited by
              #8

              I wonder if Steam would remove it from people's libraries in that instance or just the Storefront

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              • D duchess@feddit.org
                18 days ago

                They want money for an emulator? that’s bold

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                pressedhams@lemmy.blahaj.zone
                wrote 18 days ago last edited by
                #9

                Maybe, but it’s not just emulating the rom, I thinks there’s enough value add for their $9 asking price.

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                • S simple@piefed.social
                  18 days ago

                  The emulator being 3dSen, direct link to Steam: https://store.steampowered.com/app/1147940/3dSen_PC/

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                  lazycouchpotato@lemmy.world
                  wrote 18 days ago last edited by
                  #10

                  Bought it a few years ago. Super cool, though I probably only messed around with it a couple hours before forgetting about it.

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                  • P pressedhams@lemmy.blahaj.zone
                    18 days ago

                    Maybe, but it’s not just emulating the rom, I thinks there’s enough value add for their $9 asking price.

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                    jrockwar@feddit.uk
                    wrote 18 days ago last edited by
                    #11

                    Still, being able to argue they're not for profit is what typically has protected emulators from being sued to oblivion (and with Nintendo, even that's risky)...

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                    • J jrockwar@feddit.uk
                      18 days ago

                      Still, being able to argue they're not for profit is what typically has protected emulators from being sued to oblivion (and with Nintendo, even that's risky)...

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                      pressedhams@lemmy.blahaj.zone
                      wrote 18 days ago last edited by
                      #12

                      Yeah, the archival argument won’t fly here.

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                      • J jrockwar@feddit.uk
                        18 days ago

                        Still, being able to argue they're not for profit is what typically has protected emulators from being sued to oblivion (and with Nintendo, even that's risky)...

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                        gaylord_fartmaster@lemmy.world
                        wrote 18 days ago last edited by
                        #13

                        Has being non-profit been a legal defense used somewhere before? At least in the US the case law is based on commercial, profit-driven emulators being explicitly ruled as legal when Sony tried suing them. I see this said constantly and I think it's genuinely just the result of propaganda from Nintendo or something.

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                        • V vaggumon@lemmy.zip
                          18 days ago

                          How long till Nintendo files.

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                          entwine413@lemm.ee
                          wrote 18 days ago last edited by entwine413@lemm.ee
                          #14

                          I'm not sure they can in this instance. The reason they could sue the Switch emulator team was because they were using a proprietary encryption key.

                          I don't think the NES had that, and as long as you own the game, emulation is legal.

                          Also, this might be considered transformative use since the devs have to create the 3D profile by hand.

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                          • E entwine413@lemm.ee
                            18 days ago

                            I'm not sure they can in this instance. The reason they could sue the Switch emulator team was because they were using a proprietary encryption key.

                            I don't think the NES had that, and as long as you own the game, emulation is legal.

                            Also, this might be considered transformative use since the devs have to create the 3D profile by hand.

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                            glitchdx@lemmy.world
                            wrote 18 days ago last edited by
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                            Nintendo was able to sue palworld using a patent that didn't exist before palworlds release. It's not right, but they can do whatever they want regardless of what the law says.

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                            • G glitchdx@lemmy.world
                              18 days ago

                              Nintendo was able to sue palworld using a patent that didn't exist before palworlds release. It's not right, but they can do whatever they want regardless of what the law says.

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                              entwine413@lemm.ee
                              wrote 18 days ago last edited by
                              #16

                              That's not the lawsuit that's being discussed. It's the Yuzu Switch emulator lawsuit.

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                              • E entwine413@lemm.ee
                                18 days ago

                                That's not the lawsuit that's being discussed. It's the Yuzu Switch emulator lawsuit.

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                                glitchdx@lemmy.world
                                wrote 18 days ago last edited by
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                                yeah, i know. Point is that Nintendo can do whatever they want with the flimsyest excuse.

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                                • E entwine413@lemm.ee
                                  18 days ago

                                  I'm not sure they can in this instance. The reason they could sue the Switch emulator team was because they were using a proprietary encryption key.

                                  I don't think the NES had that, and as long as you own the game, emulation is legal.

                                  Also, this might be considered transformative use since the devs have to create the 3D profile by hand.

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                                  callouscomic@lemm.ee
                                  wrote 18 days ago last edited by
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                                  as long as you own the game, emulation is legal.

                                  People say this, but I believe it is mostly technically untrue. It'd be a relatively easy argument to say that a downloaded ROM that isn't exactly the digital copy YOU purchased with a license would be seen as not legal.

                                  However some people talk about literally ripping the game off the physical device themselves, hence copying their own copy of it. Now you are in grey territory of making copies of copyrighted materials, and in the case of more modern games like the last decade, they almost assuredly have language that specifies you don't actually own the code and all that.

                                  All I'm saying is be careful and probably refrain from repeating the fallacy that owning a game makes emulation of it legal, because that implies having the ROM is legal and that's doubtful.

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                                  • C callouscomic@lemm.ee
                                    18 days ago

                                    as long as you own the game, emulation is legal.

                                    People say this, but I believe it is mostly technically untrue. It'd be a relatively easy argument to say that a downloaded ROM that isn't exactly the digital copy YOU purchased with a license would be seen as not legal.

                                    However some people talk about literally ripping the game off the physical device themselves, hence copying their own copy of it. Now you are in grey territory of making copies of copyrighted materials, and in the case of more modern games like the last decade, they almost assuredly have language that specifies you don't actually own the code and all that.

                                    All I'm saying is be careful and probably refrain from repeating the fallacy that owning a game makes emulation of it legal, because that implies having the ROM is legal and that's doubtful.

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                                    mycodesucks@lemmy.world
                                    wrote 18 days ago last edited by
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                                    Copying your own game and materials for backup purposes is no grey area, and neither is development or use of emulators, and panicky, uninformed spewing of gut feelings are how public knowledge of your actual rights gets muddled into people with zero knowledge waxing poetic about how they THINK it works because they like games and think that makes their ramblings valuable.

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                                    • G glitchdx@lemmy.world
                                      18 days ago

                                      Nintendo was able to sue palworld using a patent that didn't exist before palworlds release. It's not right, but they can do whatever they want regardless of what the law says.

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                                      samus12345@sh.itjust.works
                                      wrote 18 days ago last edited by
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                                      They were able to do that because Palworld is made by Japanese devs, and they used specifically Japanese patent law. Doesn't apply here.

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                                      • S simple@piefed.social
                                        18 days ago

                                        The emulator being 3dSen, direct link to Steam: https://store.steampowered.com/app/1147940/3dSen_PC/

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                                        samus12345@sh.itjust.works
                                        wrote 18 days ago last edited by samus12345@sh.itjust.works
                                        #21

                                        It also works with romhacks if the code isn't changed too much. Ducktales 2 co-op works like a charm!

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                                        • M mycodesucks@lemmy.world
                                          18 days ago

                                          Copying your own game and materials for backup purposes is no grey area, and neither is development or use of emulators, and panicky, uninformed spewing of gut feelings are how public knowledge of your actual rights gets muddled into people with zero knowledge waxing poetic about how they THINK it works because they like games and think that makes their ramblings valuable.

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                                          plasticexistence@lemmy.world
                                          wrote 18 days ago last edited by
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                                          https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/1201

                                          In the USA, it is illegal to make a backup copy of any of your media when the original contains any form of DRM.

                                          On any media where DRM wasn’t used, you’re okay to create a backup copy.

                                          The law is different everywhere though.

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