Is there any good decentralized cloud storage for personal backups as a self-hoster?
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The name cloud comes from depiction of "somewhere on the internet" in network diagrams. I don't know what corporate environment you're in but you're using the term incorrectly.
wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 09:07 last edited byLol, okay, bud. Not only are you absolutely wrong and seem to have no professional experience with this whatsoever: search engines, engineering blogs, Wikipedia, history, and every other known source of truth on this disagree with you, yet here you are arguing anyway. Amazing.
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wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 09:07 last edited by
I meant that 'cloud' refers to systems accessed over the Internet, not necessarily centralized, but I also associate the term with centralized stuff so I'm not totally sure.
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Siacoin.
wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 09:27 last edited byThanks for your advice! I'm interested in trying Siacoin. Was it expensive?
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Thanks for your advice! I'm interested in trying Siacoin. Was it expensive?
wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 09:35 last edited byYou can see the current median price here: https://siascan.com/
The storage providers set their own prices and the renters set how much they want to pay.
Just storing data is very cheap at $1.51/TB.
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Lol, okay, bud. Not only are you absolutely wrong and seem to have no professional experience with this whatsoever: search engines, engineering blogs, Wikipedia, history, and every other known source of truth on this disagree with you, yet here you are arguing anyway. Amazing.
wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 09:41 last edited byThanks for the Wikipedia article. Can you quote or paraphrase the first sentence?
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Filecoin showed promise as a nearly free option. I used to be a storage provider. Met a lot of other storage providers at conventions. The people involved were pretty alright. I haven't interacted with the community in a few years though. Biggest problem I saw back then was a lack of a user friendly means of storing and retrieval. That might have changed now.
Whatever option you pick please make sure you encrypt your data before you send it off.
wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 09:51 last edited byThanks for sharing! I'm looking into Filecoin and I'll be sure to encrypt before uploading.
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Don't use storj. I used to recommend them, but they have instituted a $5 minimum charge to have an account. The tl;dr is that they are interested in B2B, not individuals.
I've moved over to Tigris.
Announcement:
https://forum.storj.io/t/new-minimum-usage-fee-starting-july-1/30057/1Here's a follow up to the drama:
https://forum.storj.io/t/a-follow-up-on-the-new-minimum-usage-fee-and-a-request-for-feedback/30089Hit up the /r/storj for more drama if you dare to look at Reddit again :puke:
wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 10:53 last edited byWhy did you choose Tigris over the cheaper B2?
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Problem is you need a way to decrypt that shit with memory loss and a burned down house.
wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 12:05 last edited byYou can encrypt using a memorable password you can remember.
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"Cloud" infers centralized consolidation of resources in a datacenter. A PaaS, for example.
"Decentralized" infers any number of running instances of something that are not tied to any specific vendor, infrastructure, or location.
Cloud can be distributed, but not decentralized since the underlying controls of the infrastructure are themselves centralized.
wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 12:36 last edited byI had the impression cloud was about the opposite - detaching your server software from physical machines you manage, instead paying a company to provide more abstracted services, with the ideal being high scalability by having images that can be deployed en masse independent of the specifics of where they're hosted and on what hardware. Pay for "storage", instead of renting a machine with specific hardware and software, for example.
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Why did you choose Tigris over the cheaper B2?
wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 12:51 last edited byI'm doing the archive tier which is cheaper than B2
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That is not what that term generally means. Somebody COULD be running their own cloud platform, but if you're speaking to a large group of people and you say "Cloud deployed", they understand that to be deployed to a Cloud Provider on a secured platform and location (AWS, Google, Azure...etc).
We don't say "cloud" in engineering anywhere without meaning this. We may refer to a non-colocated deployment of something as "edge" or "off-site", but never "cloud". There isn't a single engineer on this planet who would ever confuse "deployed to cloud" to mean somebody's basement.
wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 13:52 last edited byI've heard of some blockchain based systems referred to as decentralized cloud before (including stuff like Sia and Storj, which I guess is what OP wants). I haven't looked into them that much, but IIUC they push most (all?) controls and so on to the edge. I'm not sure I'd use them though since the networks aren't super large.
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You can encrypt using a memorable password you can remember.
wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 14:30 last edited byYeah, but that is gone if you literally forget it.
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I'm doing the archive tier which is cheaper than B2
wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 14:39 last edited by qaz@lemmy.world 6 Jun 2025, 10:40I see.
Tigris pricing table for those who are interested:
Component Standard Tier Infrequent Access Tier Archive Tier ** Archive Instant Retrieval Tier Data Storage $0.02/GB/month $0.01/GB/month $0.004/GB/month $0.004/GB/month Class A Requests: PUT, COPY, POST, LIST $0.005/1000 requests $0.005/1000 requests $0.005/1000 requests $0.005/1000 requests Class B Requests: GET, SELECT, and all others $0.0005/1000 requests $0.0005/1000 requests $0.0005/1000 requests $0.0005/1000 requests Data Retrieval Free $0.01/GB Free $0.03/GB Minimum Storage Retention - 30 days 90 days 90 days Object Notifications $0.01/1000 events published $0.01/1000 events published $0.01/1000 events published $0.01/1000 events published Egress (Data Transfer to Internet) Free Free Free Free For reference B2 is $0.006/GB
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Iām thinking of using Storj because Iād like a trustless solution. Are there any other good alternatives in the decentralized or Web3 space?
wrote on 6 Jun 2025, 19:05 last edited byI don't know, but allow me a soft rant about the 'distributed' part;
Couldn't selfhosters try to 'organize' and share these burdens ? Why pay for external cloud backup, or anything, when selfhosters can just help each other storing parts of others backup. Then everyone have an automatic back-up.
The tools seem to be there, but Its like there are all these super-skilled infra-structure selfhosters that know everything about self-hosting solutions, but they lack the self-organizing ability to sollve these typical - and a bit trivial, lets be honest - problems in a full p2p style. The result looks to be that all self-hostings solution above the threshold of an average individual selhoster, have to be done in the cloud, and everyone is 'siloed' in their own mini data center.
But, with existing tools, AI and a little imagination, it shouldn't be too hard to 'organize' a little (though here) design a self-hosting p2p backup solution from existing tools. ..or a solution for most of the other cloud services we still rely on..
But maybe its something else ? ..to me, it just seems unnecessary for a high expertise self-hoster community that - when combined - are an absolute gargantuan cloud-service infrastructure ..to still have such basic capacity issues (no offense meant to op, or anyone!), and still have so high reliance on cloud services. Seems odd to me..
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I don't know, but allow me a soft rant about the 'distributed' part;
Couldn't selfhosters try to 'organize' and share these burdens ? Why pay for external cloud backup, or anything, when selfhosters can just help each other storing parts of others backup. Then everyone have an automatic back-up.
The tools seem to be there, but Its like there are all these super-skilled infra-structure selfhosters that know everything about self-hosting solutions, but they lack the self-organizing ability to sollve these typical - and a bit trivial, lets be honest - problems in a full p2p style. The result looks to be that all self-hostings solution above the threshold of an average individual selhoster, have to be done in the cloud, and everyone is 'siloed' in their own mini data center.
But, with existing tools, AI and a little imagination, it shouldn't be too hard to 'organize' a little (though here) design a self-hosting p2p backup solution from existing tools. ..or a solution for most of the other cloud services we still rely on..
But maybe its something else ? ..to me, it just seems unnecessary for a high expertise self-hoster community that - when combined - are an absolute gargantuan cloud-service infrastructure ..to still have such basic capacity issues (no offense meant to op, or anyone!), and still have so high reliance on cloud services. Seems odd to me..
wrote on 7 Jun 2025, 01:15 last edited bywhen selfhosters can just help each other storing parts of others backup.
That's essentially what Storj, Sia, etc.. are for, they're decentralized storage systems where users can contribute storage to the network which automatically distributes data over all the 'hosters'.
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Problem is you need a way to decrypt that shit with memory loss and a burned down house.
wrote on 8 Jun 2025, 06:42 last edited byBitwarden