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Friendly reminder that Tailscale is VC-funded and driving towards IPO

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  • F [email protected]

    Yea, but in iOS?

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    I mean is anything iOS really open source?

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    • C [email protected]

      Chances are you've had the same public IP for a long time. Mine hasn't changed in 2 years.

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      @chronicledmonocle @Vinstaal0 I used to work for a dial-up ISP. Every IP is registered to an account, if you're going through your ISP (as opposed to, say, coffee shop or hotel wifi). Though the people who have the information are different (ICANN/registrar vs your internet provider), there's no anonymity in your home IP address even with CGNAT.

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      • H [email protected]

        I'm unsure if it has been mentioned, but a similar tool which is open source (you can run the backend unlike tailscale), netbird

        https://netbird.io/

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        We've implemented netbird at my company, we're pretty happy with it overall.

        The main drawback is that it has no way of handling multiple different accounts on the same machine, and they don't seem to have any plans for ever really solving that. As long as you can live with that, it's a good solution.

        Support is a mixed bag. Mostly just a slack server, kind of lacking in what I'd call enterprise level support. But development seems to be moving at a rapid pace, and they're definitely in that "Small but eager" stage where everything happens quickly. I've reported bugs and had them fixed the same day.

        Everything is open source. Backend, clients, the whole bag. So if they ever try to enshittify, you can just take your ball and leave.

        Also, the security tools are really cool. Instead of writing out firewall rules by hand like Tailscale, they have a really nice, really simple GUI for setting up all your ACLs. I found it very intuitive.

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        • avidamoeba@lemmy.caA [email protected]

          Corporate VPN startup Tailscale secures $230 million CAD Series C on back of “surprising” growth

          Pennarun confirmed the company had been approached by potential acquirers, but told BetaKit that the company intends to grow as a private company and work towards an initial public offering (IPO).

          “Tailscale intends to remain independent and we are on a likely IPO track, although any IPO is several years out,” Pennarun said. “Meanwhile, we have an extremely efficient business model, rapid revenue acceleration, and a long runway that allows us to become profitable when needed, which means we can weather all kinds of economic storms.”

          Keep that in mind as you ponder whether and when to switch to self-hosting Headscale.

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          I didn't really get the allure of it TBH. For most home-based nerds a simple Wireguard host (or OpnSense, OpenWRT etc running such) should be fine, and there are better options for commercial from better-known vendors in the network security space

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          • I [email protected]

            And here I am, still using OpenVPN in 2025 lol

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            Used to run OpenVPN. Tried Wireguard and the performance was much better, although lacking some of the features some might need/want fit credential-based logins etc

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            • P [email protected]

              Used to run OpenVPN. Tried Wireguard and the performance was much better, although lacking some of the features some might need/want fit credential-based logins etc

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              Yeah, OpenVPN definitely doesn't have light spec requirements 😅 thankfully hardware is unfathomably powerful these days.

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              • V [email protected]

                We've implemented netbird at my company, we're pretty happy with it overall.

                The main drawback is that it has no way of handling multiple different accounts on the same machine, and they don't seem to have any plans for ever really solving that. As long as you can live with that, it's a good solution.

                Support is a mixed bag. Mostly just a slack server, kind of lacking in what I'd call enterprise level support. But development seems to be moving at a rapid pace, and they're definitely in that "Small but eager" stage where everything happens quickly. I've reported bugs and had them fixed the same day.

                Everything is open source. Backend, clients, the whole bag. So if they ever try to enshittify, you can just take your ball and leave.

                Also, the security tools are really cool. Instead of writing out firewall rules by hand like Tailscale, they have a really nice, really simple GUI for setting up all your ACLs. I found it very intuitive.

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                Thank you for your insight, I'm assuming the only public part is the UI and coturn (the bit that enables two clients between firewalls to hole-punch)?

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                • nfreak@lemmy.mlN [email protected]

                  I decided to experiment a bit with Headscale when the wg-easy v15 update broke my chained VPN setup. Got it all set up with Headplane for a UI, worked amazingly, until I learned I was supposed to set it all up on a VPS instead and couldn't actually access it if I wasn't initially on my home network, oops.

                  I might play around with it again down the road with a cheap VPS, didn't take long to get it going, but realistically my setup's access is 95% me and 5% my wife so Wireguard works fine (reverted back to wg-easy v14 until v15 allows disabling ipv6 though, since that seemed to be what was causing the issues I've been seeing).

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                  Why does it need to be on a VPS? It seems to work on a home network when I played around with it.

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                  • avidamoeba@lemmy.caA [email protected]

                    Corporate VPN startup Tailscale secures $230 million CAD Series C on back of “surprising” growth

                    Pennarun confirmed the company had been approached by potential acquirers, but told BetaKit that the company intends to grow as a private company and work towards an initial public offering (IPO).

                    “Tailscale intends to remain independent and we are on a likely IPO track, although any IPO is several years out,” Pennarun said. “Meanwhile, we have an extremely efficient business model, rapid revenue acceleration, and a long runway that allows us to become profitable when needed, which means we can weather all kinds of economic storms.”

                    Keep that in mind as you ponder whether and when to switch to self-hosting Headscale.

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                    I never really understood the point of using Tailscale over plain ol' WireGuard. I mean I guess if youve got a dozen+ nodes but I feel like most laymens topologies won't be complex beyond a regular old wireguard config

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                    • avidamoeba@lemmy.caA [email protected]

                      Corporate VPN startup Tailscale secures $230 million CAD Series C on back of “surprising” growth

                      Pennarun confirmed the company had been approached by potential acquirers, but told BetaKit that the company intends to grow as a private company and work towards an initial public offering (IPO).

                      “Tailscale intends to remain independent and we are on a likely IPO track, although any IPO is several years out,” Pennarun said. “Meanwhile, we have an extremely efficient business model, rapid revenue acceleration, and a long runway that allows us to become profitable when needed, which means we can weather all kinds of economic storms.”

                      Keep that in mind as you ponder whether and when to switch to self-hosting Headscale.

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                      is this some kind of furry porn CDN

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                      • avidamoeba@lemmy.caA [email protected]

                        Can you segregate connections between different nodes on the tailnet, like say node G and H can only talk to each other and no other nodes?

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                        Not sure, not tried that as that's outside my use case. But I would assume its possible with ACLs!

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                        • B [email protected]

                          I never really understood the point of using Tailscale over plain ol' WireGuard. I mean I guess if youve got a dozen+ nodes but I feel like most laymens topologies won't be complex beyond a regular old wireguard config

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                          Simplicity?

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                            Simplicity?

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                            I mean sure, but I don't think it's simpler than setting up a wireguard config IMO.
                            For tailscale you gotta make an account, register devices, connect them. Feel like wireguard is about the same except you don't have to make an account.

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                            • B [email protected]

                              I never really understood the point of using Tailscale over plain ol' WireGuard. I mean I guess if youve got a dozen+ nodes but I feel like most laymens topologies won't be complex beyond a regular old wireguard config

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                              Wireguard doesn't do NAT/Firewall traversal nor does it have SSO

                              Tailscale manages the underlying Wireguard for you. I would be great if Wireguard had native NAT traversal but that isn't the case.

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                              • P [email protected]

                                I didn't really get the allure of it TBH. For most home-based nerds a simple Wireguard host (or OpnSense, OpenWRT etc running such) should be fine, and there are better options for commercial from better-known vendors in the network security space

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                                The "well known vendors" tend to be crap especially on a security level

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                                • U [email protected]

                                  I can't. I tried it first and installed it on my phone from f-droid. After opening it up, it connected to an already existing network with other people's old machines from years ago on it. I was horrified.

                                  So then I tried to delete my whole account and couldn't due to an error. I sent them an email about it and they took like two weeks to respond.

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                                  Netbird isn't on F-droid

                                  Are we talking about the same thing?

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                                  • K [email protected]

                                    I can recommend to take a look at netbird.io

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                                    Much more user friendly

                                    Json is awful for config

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                                    • T [email protected]

                                      Headscale requires tailscale client so it’s a no-go for me. I’m still trying to block cloudflare from my network.

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                                      Tailscale needs Tailscale to work

                                      That seems obvious

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                                      • Q [email protected]

                                        I think a lot of companies view their free plan as recruiting/advertising --- if you use TailScale personally and have a great experience then you'll bring in business by advocating for it at work.

                                        Of course it could go either way, and I don't rely on TailScale (it's my "backup" VPN to my home network)... we'll see, I guess.

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                                        It also doesn't cost them much of anything

                                        Positive PR and little draw backs means that everyone is generally pretty happy

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                                        • possiblylinux127@lemmy.zipP [email protected]

                                          Netbird isn't on F-droid

                                          Are we talking about the same thing?

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                                          It used to be

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