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  • L [email protected]

    I use KeePass (Keepass2Android, KeePassXC, OG KeePass, and KeePassium) for everything. Been using KeePass in general for 20-ish years.

    Recently, I decided to export all of my passwords from Firefox, Chrome, and Edge, import the data into my KeePass database under their own folders, then delete everything from the browsers. That way I can move entries that weren't already in the database to their respective locations in the database hierarchy, delete duplicates, and change insecure passwords.

    The database is hosted on my phones (work and personal), laptop, gaming PC, and a server at home, all synced with Syncthing. My work laptop also has Portable KeePass that accesses the database via WebDAV to my server.

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    This is what I did. Once Firefox did something and wiped my passwords from sync only way I got them back was I had an old laptop I didn’t use often that was synced to my account. Now I use keepass that’s saved locally and a backup on my nas & flashdrive.

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    • tmpod@lemmy.ptT [email protected]

      This. And to add to what other commenters have said, by using Bitwarden and paying for their Premium plan (very cheap, just $10/year), even if you don't use all their features, you're supporting a good project. It's critical infrastructure, I think the price is more than fair.
      Either way, you should always make periodic backups from any cloud service you use, encrypted of course.

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      just $10/month year

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      • W [email protected]

        just $10/month year

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        Yes! Oh my, I'm silly; that was precisely my point and I managed to mess it up 🙃

        Thank you for the correction!

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        • muusemuuse@sh.itjust.worksM [email protected]

          It never made sense to me to put password managers in the cloud. Regards to what you intend it to do, you’re making it accessible to a wider audience than necessary. And yet, I’m using iCloud. It’s time for a change.

          I’m thinking of just running a locally hosted password manager on my home server and letting my devices sync with it somehow when I’m at home. I have a VPN into my home network when I’m away that automatically triggers when I leave the house, so even that’s not that big an issue, but I’m really not familiar with what’s gonna cleanly integrate with all my stuff and be easy to use. All I know is I wanna kill the cloud functionality of my setup.

          I already have a jellyfish server so I figured I would just throw this onto that. Any suggestions?

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          If you've been using passkeys, you'll need to generate new ones when you switch. AFAIK, they aren't exportable from Google or Apple. Which, among other reasons, is why I'll just stick to high-entropy passwords. I've had some sites like Amazon try to sneakily make me register passcodes, I've had to go back and tear them out before they screw me somehow.

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          • irmadlad@lemmy.worldI [email protected]

            I look at it like this:

            • I don't absolutely trust the security of my server. Sure, it hasn't had a breach.....yet, but that possibility is inevitable, given the amount of bots that keep trying to get in by the minute. It's secure, yes, but is it secure enough to entrust the keys to my bank account, my business ventures, et al? IF somebody got the key to my Lemmy account, it would be bothersome, but not cataclysmic since all online accounts are silo'd with only a couple that are linked.
            • Bitwarden spent a lot of time and money building a large infrastructure that is, imho, far more secure than my little server. Bitwarden has a pretty good track record. They have had some vulnerabilities, even as recent as '23 but these have been remediated.
            • Confirmation bias...I've been using Bitwarden for untold years now and have never had an issue, other than the recent UI theming schema that was so castigated by users that they offered a way to switch back.

            While hosting my own password manager would fit right in with the rest of my selfhosting, I think sometimes it's better to defer to more secure options when dealing with highly sensitive data.

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            Bitwarden is absolutely solid,yes.

            Local server wise: If OP uses it in a local only setup behind a proper VPN implementation from my point of view the risk is acceptable.
            It's not that hard to secure a home server in a way that Vaultwarden is not at risk - and when you're so compromised that it is, then the attacker can easily use other vectors to gain the same data (RAt,keyloggers, etc.)

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            • A [email protected]

              Is the data super important to you?

              Let someone else host it.

              Bitwarden in the cloud.

              Edit: Bitwarden paying the monthly/yearly fee to BW. I wasn’t implying trying to host it yourself in the cloud.

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              Passwords are one I happily pay for someone else to worry about

              That’s about my most valuable digital data

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              • engywuck@lemmy.zipE [email protected]

                Agreed. Unless your setup and security practices is flawless, I think passwords are better managed by specialists paid for it.

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                Your security will never be flawless. Human nature is to slip up every once and a while, and security is an ever evolving game of cat and mouse and even the professionals who spend their entire careers defending infrastructure are constantly playing catch-up.

                I would never host my passwords locally because I know my security at home is nowhere near the security of a professional platform, especially one as trusted as Bitwarden. My dumb family photos and personal git repo? Sure. But Bitwarden holds passwords to my bank, government websites, work stuff, my credit cards, etc.

                Waaay too much risk for me, and if anyone is looking at this i would recommend that you seriously consider what kind of liability you are really bringing on.

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                • F [email protected]

                  If just one or those passwords gets leaked you might find a lot of other ones get cracked as well.

                  It may not be sites that you care about. But using a password manager is a lot less effort and a lot safer than whatever technique the average Joe will come up with.

                  Any password that leaks which could indicate a potential system ( e.g.: sitename in lower/upper/leetspeak) makes the whole thing even more vulnerable.

                  Just use something. Bitwarden, vault warden, keepassxc, ...

                  Knowing my social circle I'd recommend bitwarden. Even paying for it costs a measly 10$/year, while the free version is very usable in itself. And generating passphrases or 32char passwords will be a lot safer than whatever the hell they can come up with.

                  Just avoid the default browser ones, big tech and LastPass.

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                  just use something

                  This! I am an IT admin and inam constantly begging my coworkers to use a password manager, any password manager. My company will pay for you to use Bitwarden but if you don't want to do that at least use the password manager built into chrome/edge. Please, I am begging you to use secure passwords and save them in a password manager.

                  (Obviously not you fellow Lemmy users I'm sure y'all have too notch security practices. Just venting lol)

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                    Any iOS app?

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                    • ikidd@lemmy.worldI [email protected]

                      If you've been using passkeys, you'll need to generate new ones when you switch. AFAIK, they aren't exportable from Google or Apple. Which, among other reasons, is why I'll just stick to high-entropy passwords. I've had some sites like Amazon try to sneakily make me register passcodes, I've had to go back and tear them out before they screw me somehow.

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                      try to sneakily make me register passcodes

                      Can you expand on this? I'm not sure what this means. Is it like instead of a full fledged password, just a four digit PIN or something? Thanks.

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                        Damn, that sounds very interesting! The use of a Keepass DB instead of a new one makes it great to have as option. It's something I hadn't think about for a long time.

                        I'll check it out later and maybe install it after I restore my server, I'm planning to reduce my attack surface too:)

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                        If you do, use the -k option - it locks access to the rook service to only the user session. Rook works without it, but is more secure with it.

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                        • Y [email protected]

                          try to sneakily make me register passcodes

                          Can you expand on this? I'm not sure what this means. Is it like instead of a full fledged password, just a four digit PIN or something? Thanks.

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                          For some reason, when I registered my phone number for delivery notifications, it made a passkey and registered it with my account. It never prompted me to save the passkey, so I had no idea where it was supposed to be used. I immediately deleted it because I was concerned I wasn't going to be able to log in if I logged out without knowing what that passkey was and had it in my password manager.

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