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What games are just objective masterpieces?

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  • W weirdbeardgame@lemmy.world
    27 May 2025, 22:30
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    snotflickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    wrote on 27 May 2025, 23:22 last edited by snotflickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    #21

    Holy shit somehow no one has mentioned:

    Nier Automata

    It counts as a masterpiece because of how well it blends game design, gameplay and story. I have played very few games as thoughtful, or that weaved the gameplay together into the story it was telling in such a meaningful way. I never thought once in my life that I would think philosophically about bullet hell but somehow Nier Automata has something profound to say and even manages to say it using bullet hell as a gameplay mechanic.

    On top of all this, it also has a lot to say about classical philosophers, their works, and honestly deeply subverts things they had to say. It asks tough questions about their thoughts and ideas, once again, through gameplay. Numerous characters are named for classical philosophers: Pascal, Jean-Paul, Simone, Engels, Immanuel... (Yoko Taro obviously has feelings about how Jean-Paul Sartre treated Simone de Beauvoir.)

    Further, Yoko Taro is doing something that a lot of game developers fail to manage to do: He is embracing gaming as a storytelling medium and eschewing the traditional three-act arc from film. Because gaming is not film. As Marshall McLuhan posited, "the medium is the message" and unlike other developers Taro's writing is aimed at the medium he is working in instead of leaning on the ropes and tropes of other mediums. (Referring back to above, tying the gameplay into the story, focusing on the medium)

    It's basically impossible to not break down into tears at the ending.

    Don't write it off because of the scantily clad anime women. Stay for the depth of the human condition. It is truly a masterwork in multiple respects.

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      sophocles@infosec.pub
      wrote on 27 May 2025, 23:25 last edited by
      #22

      Heres a list of some favorites:

      Imperfect perfection: Morrowind

      Perfect perfection: Starcraft Brood War

      Objective perfection: Plants vs Zombies

      Subjective perfection: Knights of the Old Republic

      Perfect for its time: Gauntlet IV

      Perfect timeless: Sonic 2

      Perfect for its genre: LOZ Minish Cap

      Perfect All-in-one: Shenmue II

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      • I iamthetot@sh.itjust.works
        27 May 2025, 22:36

        None. There's no such thing as an objective master piece. Games are art which is, by definition, subjective.

        Edited to add, well this was way more controversial than I thought it would be.

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        landedgentry@lemmy.zip
        wrote on 27 May 2025, 23:28 last edited by landedgentry@lemmy.zip 6 Feb 2025, 20:17
        #23

        ::: spoiler spoiler
        askldjfals;jflsad;
        :::

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          radin@lemmy.world
          wrote on 27 May 2025, 23:29 last edited by
          #24

          Hades. Transcends the rogue-like genre through incredible writing, art direction, and music. The gameplay is some of the most addictive I’ve ever played. I’m at over 200 hours logged and I still get lost in it.

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            richardwagner@lemm.ee
            wrote on 27 May 2025, 23:32 last edited by
            #25
            • dark souls
            • elden ring
            • bloodborne
            • sekiro
            • outer wilds
            • doom 2016
            • binding of isaac
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            • S snotflickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone
              27 May 2025, 23:22

              Holy shit somehow no one has mentioned:

              Nier Automata

              It counts as a masterpiece because of how well it blends game design, gameplay and story. I have played very few games as thoughtful, or that weaved the gameplay together into the story it was telling in such a meaningful way. I never thought once in my life that I would think philosophically about bullet hell but somehow Nier Automata has something profound to say and even manages to say it using bullet hell as a gameplay mechanic.

              On top of all this, it also has a lot to say about classical philosophers, their works, and honestly deeply subverts things they had to say. It asks tough questions about their thoughts and ideas, once again, through gameplay. Numerous characters are named for classical philosophers: Pascal, Jean-Paul, Simone, Engels, Immanuel... (Yoko Taro obviously has feelings about how Jean-Paul Sartre treated Simone de Beauvoir.)

              Further, Yoko Taro is doing something that a lot of game developers fail to manage to do: He is embracing gaming as a storytelling medium and eschewing the traditional three-act arc from film. Because gaming is not film. As Marshall McLuhan posited, "the medium is the message" and unlike other developers Taro's writing is aimed at the medium he is working in instead of leaning on the ropes and tropes of other mediums. (Referring back to above, tying the gameplay into the story, focusing on the medium)

              It's basically impossible to not break down into tears at the ending.

              Don't write it off because of the scantily clad anime women. Stay for the depth of the human condition. It is truly a masterwork in multiple respects.

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              tomselleck@lemm.ee
              wrote on 27 May 2025, 23:40 last edited by
              #26

              I didn’t know Chris Plante is on Lemmy.

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              • L landedgentry@lemmy.zip
                27 May 2025, 23:28

                ::: spoiler spoiler
                askldjfals;jflsad;
                :::

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                seathru@lemmy.sdf.org
                wrote on 27 May 2025, 23:44 last edited by
                #27

                I think the word you are looking for is pedant.

                Better vocabulary will help get your point across better. Without also sounding like an edgy atheist teen.

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                  charonn0@startrek.website
                  wrote on 27 May 2025, 23:45 last edited by
                  #28

                  Left4Dead2 (also L4D1)

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                  • C capuccino@lemmy.world
                    27 May 2025, 22:34

                    Portal 2.

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                    saltsong@startrek.website
                    wrote on 27 May 2025, 23:47 last edited by
                    #29

                    Portal 1 was flawless. Portal 2 had a crucial flaw.

                    Specifically, it was not Portal 1. Everything else was perfect.

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                      afaix@lemmy.world
                      wrote on 27 May 2025, 23:52 last edited by
                      #30

                      Psychonauts 1 and 2.

                      Some of the most imaginative big budget games in existence, from themes to art style to level design

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                      • S snotflickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone
                        27 May 2025, 23:22

                        Holy shit somehow no one has mentioned:

                        Nier Automata

                        It counts as a masterpiece because of how well it blends game design, gameplay and story. I have played very few games as thoughtful, or that weaved the gameplay together into the story it was telling in such a meaningful way. I never thought once in my life that I would think philosophically about bullet hell but somehow Nier Automata has something profound to say and even manages to say it using bullet hell as a gameplay mechanic.

                        On top of all this, it also has a lot to say about classical philosophers, their works, and honestly deeply subverts things they had to say. It asks tough questions about their thoughts and ideas, once again, through gameplay. Numerous characters are named for classical philosophers: Pascal, Jean-Paul, Simone, Engels, Immanuel... (Yoko Taro obviously has feelings about how Jean-Paul Sartre treated Simone de Beauvoir.)

                        Further, Yoko Taro is doing something that a lot of game developers fail to manage to do: He is embracing gaming as a storytelling medium and eschewing the traditional three-act arc from film. Because gaming is not film. As Marshall McLuhan posited, "the medium is the message" and unlike other developers Taro's writing is aimed at the medium he is working in instead of leaning on the ropes and tropes of other mediums. (Referring back to above, tying the gameplay into the story, focusing on the medium)

                        It's basically impossible to not break down into tears at the ending.

                        Don't write it off because of the scantily clad anime women. Stay for the depth of the human condition. It is truly a masterwork in multiple respects.

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                        sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
                        wrote on 27 May 2025, 23:53 last edited by
                        #31

                        Nier Automata

                        I loved Nier Replicant, but didn't get into Automata, maybe I'll give it another shot. I do love that style of storytelling though.

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                          yareckt@lemmynsfw.com
                          wrote on 27 May 2025, 23:53 last edited by yareckt@lemmynsfw.com
                          #32

                          Half-life 3
                          Mario 69
                          Pokemon Asbestos
                          Super Smash Bros Bawl (if you ban Metaknight)

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                          • R richardwagner@lemm.ee
                            27 May 2025, 23:32
                            • dark souls
                            • elden ring
                            • bloodborne
                            • sekiro
                            • outer wilds
                            • doom 2016
                            • binding of isaac
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                            sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
                            wrote on 27 May 2025, 23:53 last edited by
                            #33

                            Someone likes a challenge. 🙂

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                              toomanypancakes@lemmy.world
                              wrote on 27 May 2025, 23:55 last edited by
                              #34

                              Super Metroid is still the first that comes to mind. Amazing experience from start to finish.

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                                emb@lemmy.world
                                wrote on 27 May 2025, 23:56 last edited by
                                #35

                                Super Metroid

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                                • S saltsong@startrek.website
                                  27 May 2025, 23:47

                                  Portal 1 was flawless. Portal 2 had a crucial flaw.

                                  Specifically, it was not Portal 1. Everything else was perfect.

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                                  capuccino@lemmy.world
                                  wrote on 27 May 2025, 23:59 last edited by
                                  #36

                                  Are you saying that Portal 2 is not perfect due is a sequel?

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                                  • C capuccino@lemmy.world
                                    27 May 2025, 23:59

                                    Are you saying that Portal 2 is not perfect due is a sequel?

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                                    saltsong@startrek.website
                                    wrote on 28 May 2025, 00:03 last edited by
                                    #37

                                    Not a sequel. Just because it's not Portal 1. The fact that it's second is not the problem. The problem is that the first one was flawless.

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                                      granitem@lemmy.world
                                      wrote on 28 May 2025, 00:04 last edited by
                                      #38

                                      Red Alert 2

                                      Heroes of Might and Magic 3

                                      Super Mario Brothers 3

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                                        frank@sopuli.xyz
                                        wrote on 28 May 2025, 00:08 last edited by
                                        #39

                                        I think Outer Wilds is the most unique and fantastic way to tell a story I've ever experienced. Truly open in a way I've not seen before or since.

                                        With the banger of a soundtrack too, I just can't bring myself to rate other games higher than it; even if I enjoy them more, Outer Wilds is probably the best game I've ever played.

                                        Slay the Spire probably makes the list as it's inspired countless tweaks on its incredibly balanced deck building experience

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                                          chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world
                                          wrote on 28 May 2025, 00:09 last edited by
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                                          There is no "objective" when talking about subjective terms.

                                          My personal, SUBJECTIVE favorites are Mass Effect, Titanfall 2, Subnautica, Stardew Valley, Ori and the Blind Forest, Dave the Diver, Balatro, and Portal 1 and 2

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