How do you even begin to care about anything in that game when you are basically mashing buttons for hours and just listening to people complain about how shit life is?

I get its an art piece of living the existence you are thrown into but it feels like a confusing mess even gameplay wise for the starting hours that people that have finished it I feel miss how unfun it is at first.

I didn't even know why I was now stuck on the other side of a wall in a union dispute and I just couldn't be bothered to restart the game to try something else after how long it took to get dressed the first time.

Games I haven't seen mentioned yet:

• Fez - cute little 2D/3D platformer. It's amazing and very wholesome

• Stalker: Shadow of Chenrobyl - dunno what exactly is it, perhaps the settings and the grit, but it has a special place in my heart. It's about average FPS, but not too long and for me enjoyable

• F.E.A.R. - very good FPS, with amazingly scripted enemies, decent horror elements (not compulsory - you might miss some of them if you're not looking).

• Prince of Persia: Warrior Within - for me the best 3rd person action adventure ever. Best combat hands down (or head, or torso, you choose), streamlined blade dance at your fingertips. You play with your enemies, and you get many tools. There are some locked camera issues.

• Touhou: Lost branch of time - If you liked Slay the Spire, but wished for colorful mana, this is the game for you. It has anime artstyle, I usually focus on the cards, though it might turn some people off

• Dota 2 - Dunno if it was mentioned and I didn't see, but the mechanics are absolutely amazing, the things the game lets you get away with are incredible. 10/10, but other people might bring your experience down. Specially friends. Can play against custom (workshop) bots. Still takes too long to git gud. I studied the game for 10 years and still sucked.

• Divinity 2: Original Sin - also haven't seen a mention, everybody talks about BG3, I haven't yet played it, but D2:OS was also a masterpiece. Haven't played a lot of TRPGs, this was a blast, with easily set up multiplayer. Played through it twice completely, with many abandoned runs.

• CS 1.6 - remember that? I lost my childhood to that. They don't make counter strikes this good anymore.

• Synthetik - top-down rougelike shooter, with amazing weapons and physics and classes and enemies and mechanics and 2 person multiplayer

• Dwarf Fortress - the real objectively best game strategy simulation of the 3D box world, predecesor to both Minecraft and Terraria, but with A LOT more sand in your box. They are still extending it. And it's on Steam if you want a UI.

• Terraria (Calamity mod) - Terraria is obviously a great game, but what makes it 20/10 is the mods. Calamity specifically. Tripple the content, 5x the difficulty (20x if you try Infernum), amazing multiplayer experience. Don't install Infernum if you haven't beaten at least Revengeance on Calamity. Trust me, it will fuck you up.

• Yakuza 0 - how could I forget about this masterpiece? Story done absolutely right, that game had no business making me feel so strongly about it. Cool combat, very funny moments, but I cried during it. If you haven't tried it, check it out. You won't regret it.

• OpenTTD - Trains. Do you like to create and manage big rail systems? This is for you. And your friends. Only noobs use planes. Only psychos use boats. Nobody uses only vehicles.

Journey

There is not a single word in the game, barely any control but the game take you through an emotional story.

It's multiplayer in a sense that you might meet another player, they can help you, you can help them or just continue on your path and despite not having any words it just fell like a genuine, pure connection with someone.

And the music is amazing.

SOMA was great

• Chrono Trigger
• Disco Elysium
• Sekiro
• Zelda Ocarina of Time
• Bioshock
• Portal
• Half Life
• Nier Automata
• Tetris

Flawed Masterpieces

• Minecraft (surprising)
• Dragon age Origins
• Team Fortress 2
• Fallout New Vegas
• Dark Souls
• Every Baldur's Gate

Masterpiece in my heart: Terraria

Just out of curiosity, listing the games mentioned here as of this writing by their date of release:

Team Fortress 2

The best teamshooter game to date, endless copy cats that suck ass.

I feel like Soma was a decent metaphysical question wrapped in a okayish walking simulator.

It got a lot of praise, but basically boils down to the question "what makes you you" with nothing else about it standing out.

If the gameplay isn't a driving factor of making the game objectively good, then I don't think it counts.

Chromehounds was the greatest mech game on shitbox 360 and you can't change my mind.

The sheer variety in player created metas was glorious to behold. Sure, you could play how the game encouraged you to play and hang your weapons in "normal" configurations. But you could also bury whole teams in indirect fire with a triple double from across the map. You could build a little punchy boi buggy with a dick piston, cockpit, wheels, and nothing else. You could even try to sweat the meta in the chicken leg howitzer or the turtle up in the armored crab.

The only limits were creativity and spacer availability lmfaooo

Okay, now do it all on a bell curve.

What's the most absolute medium game, to which all other games are compared to, and if worse, fail, or are better and pass?

I'm always curious why people add things like Ocarina of Time to lists like these. While the game was revolutionary at the time, I don't think it holds up particularly well nor succeeds where later zeldas fail.

To call it an objective masterpiece I feel like it has to be a game that someone picking up today would still enjoy and appreciate. Tetris and Portal for example hold up well even by today's standards.

Just out of curiosity, listing the games mentioned here as of this writing by their date of release:

The thing that not holds well in Ocarina of Time is the N64 controls and like what they supposed to do to overcome that?

Well, none because favorites are super subjective, but I'll shout out my favorites because no one else did:

1. The Wonderful 101
2. Bayonetta
3. Ninja Gaiden II
4. God Hand
5. Viewtiful Joe
6. Catherine
7. Gravity Rush
8. Guilty Gear XX Accent Core Plus R
9. Under Night In-Birth II Sys:Celes
10. Persona 4 Arena Ultimax
11. Crimzon Clover: World EXplosion
12. Ketsui: Kizuna Jigoku Tachi

• Portal 1/2 of course.
• Grim Fandango. (Flawed yes, but absolutely a masterpiece)
• Psychonauts.
• Fallout New Vegas.
• System Shock (the original).
• The Longest Journey.
• Mass Effect. Maybe.